[VS] Itachi vs Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh, so Itachi is just supposed to focus on Kakashi so he can get blindsided by Sakura Lol.
Kakashi was focusing on Hidan, while team 10 was fighting Kakuzu. Being partnered is completely different from fighting alone. And Madara himself knew that he could shit on the SA, so he only paid attention to his immediate surroundings.

So you're retracting your statement about 30% Itachi having the same reaction rate as the original, or nah?

All Itachi wanted to do was create a physical sensation for Izanami, and he especially didn't want ro kill Kabuto

And so what if he was blind? It's already been established that his sensing skills far surpass anything his vision could grant.
And Itachi falling for a clone feint again? Please

If he focused on everyone (as you say) he shouldn't have gotten blasted by oddama rasengan, nor should he have missed kakashi's clone feint. No. I'm talking about when kakazu sat back and let hidan take on asuma, shikamaru, and the other two.
Bs. He focused on what's necessary. Just like itachi.

Nope I'm saying that due to his limited arsenal(due to chakra constraints) he can't beat both.

That doesn't negative either of my statements.

Fighting with 4 senses and danger sensing is and always will be inferior to fighting with 5 senses and danger sensing.

He fell for it twice. Once in part 1. Once in part 2. You can try pull that bs intent crap but if he truly intended to stall he wouldn't fall for it. As for the part 1 it speaks for itself.

Then there's kakashi's superior ninjutsu, stamina, etc..

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

If he focused on everyone (as you say) he shouldn't have gotten blasted by oddama rasengan, nor should he have missed kakashi's clone feint. No. I'm talking about when kakazu sat back and let hidan take on asuma, shikamaru, and the other two.
Bs. He focused on what's necessary. Just like itachi.

Nope I'm saying that due to his limited arsenal(due to chakra constraints) he can't beat both.

That doesn't negative either of my statements.

Fighting with 4 senses and danger sensing is and always will be inferior to fighting with 5 senses and danger sensing.

He fell for it twice. Once in part 1. Once in part 2. You can try pull that bs intent crap but if he truly intended to stall he wouldn't fall for it. As for the part 1 it speaks for itself.

Then there's kakashi's superior ninjutsu, stamina, etc..

I've already showed you that Taijutsu is all that's necessary. Denying it would pretty much be the equivalent of ignoring the Manga.

The whole point was to prove that Itachi was able to blitz Kabuto, who has far superior reactions to Kakashi and his lackeys, no need to try and argue that.

Part one, where did Itachi even fall for it? Last I checked Kakashi was checking into the hospital due to Genjutsu Lol
Again in part two, you show a guy who's multitasking, and not even trying, like really.
And youu say "bs intend crap" I've already shown you how Itachi could have low diffed Sakura, Chiyo, Naruto and even possibly Kakashi with his shunshin. But of course you'll probably say that we didn't know his intentions blah blah blah.
Itachi was also clearly focusing on Naruto in that fight, so I don't know where you get the notion that Kakashi would be able to pull of the same thing in a 1v1. Sounds like overration to be honest. And absolutely nothing stops Itachi from using bunshin feints as well, as he has three types of Bunshins compared to Kakashi's two.

What superior Ninjutsu does Kakashi have? Eh bud? The only thing that could be troublesome for Itachi is his Raiton Beast, which can be disappated with a Katon, or dodged. Kakashi's stamina above? They're pretty close to eachother and this fight wouldn't even come down to stamina.

 

[Dannie]

3T Kakashi won in part one and he will win again.

 

[Phonas]

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[Dannie]

Lol I'm kidding, Itachi shits.

 

[Phonas]

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And Kakashi couldn't even perceive Itachi weaving hand signs to execute a jutsu because the process was too fast for a 3-T Sharingan, while Itachi was completely holding back. Implying that Itachi can barrage him with a slew of jutsus without Kakashi even knowing they're coming his way.

Oh, I almost forgot: Kakashi stated that something was up with a 30% Itachi's Fire Style. Wuh oh! It's the old age/less chakra Hiruzen situation all over again. Prime Hiruzen vs Old Hiruzen: Substantial difference, don't you think?

 

[Airbear]

This thread is like 3 people replying to eachother.

 

[madvictory]

Itachi already canonically beat him in Ninjutsu, Movement Speed and Jutsu Speed before using Tsukuyomi, and of course he's also better than Kakashi in Taijutsu since he kept up with KCM Naruto AND Killer Bee's 8 Sword Position after that - it's obvious who wins this.

 

[Phonas]

And Kakashi couldn't even perceive Itachi weaving hand signs to execute a jutsu because the process was too fast for a 3-T Sharingan, while Itachi was completely holding back. Implying that Itachi can barrage him with a slew of jutsus without Kakashi even knowing they're coming his way.

Oh, I almost forgot: Kakashi stated that something was up with a 30% Itachi's Fire Style. Wuh oh! It's the old age/less chakra Hiruzen situation all over again. Prime Hiruzen vs Old Hiruzen: Substantial difference, don't you think?

And Kakashi already admitted inferiority to Itachi.

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[Eternal Sage]

3T Kakashi won in part one and he will win again.

Where did you figure this out :|

EDIT: Disregard this post Lol

 

[Phonas]

And Kakashi already admitted inferiority to Itachi.

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Kakashi claims that a base Itachi is so OP that the latter has the luxury of holding back, even if he's just giving 5%.

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[ATD]

Itachi fans allways bring examples 300-400 chapters ago, this is 3 T war arc kakashi.
Kakashi can do more clones than itachi due to more chakra.

Kakashi will counter every 3T genjutsu of itachi with his 3T since he kept up with obito in genjutsu. Dont tell me obito wasnt able to fool kakashi with genjutsu because they were having the same eyes

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There you can clearly see kakashi fall for the genjutsu even he has the same eye.
Kakashi still has bunshin feints to counter genjutsus.

In part one and early shippuuden itachi was faster than him, but now they are at least on pair in terms of speed.
Itachis best speed feat is that he blitzed base killerbee if i remember correctly.

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Kakashi is on the same speed level as obito, proven in kamui land and blitzed him even before the war.

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Its difficult to decide who really is faster, but in the end it doesnt matter because they are both able to react to each other which is proven by the 2 times they had fought.

In terms of ninjutsu kakashi shits in itachi, no discussion
In terms of intelligence kakashi showed to be more expirienced in battle tactics while itachi has better knowdlge of things outside battle.

One can clearly see that kakashi improved a lot and itachi fans should accept that kakashi surpassed itachi since the war.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I've already showed you that Taijutsu is all that's necessary. Denying it would pretty much be the equivalent of ignoring the Manga.

The whole point was to prove that Itachi was able to blitz Kabuto, who has far superior reactions to Kakashi and his lackeys, no need to try and argue that.

Part one, where did Itachi even fall for it? Last I checked Kakashi was checking into the hospital due to Genjutsu Lol
Again in part two, you show a guy who's multitasking, and not even trying, like really.
And youu say "bs intend crap" I've already shown you how Itachi could have low diffed Sakura, Chiyo, Naruto and even possibly Kakashi with his shunshin. But of course you'll probably say that we didn't know his intentions blah blah blah.
Itachi was also clearly focusing on Naruto in that fight, so I don't know where you get the notion that Kakashi would be able to pull of the same thing in a 1v1. Sounds like overration to be honest. And absolutely nothing stops Itachi from using bunshin feints as well, as he has three types of Bunshins compared to Kakashi's two.

What superior Ninjutsu does Kakashi have? Eh bud? The only thing that could be troublesome for Itachi is his Raiton Beast, which can be disappated with a Katon, or dodged. Kakashi's stamina above? They're pretty close to eachother and this fight wouldn't even come down to stamina.

False. Kakashi clone matched itachi clone in Taijutsu so that's moot.

But he didn't. Not only did he not hit kabuto directly but he had to use a crow clone to set it up.

The scan has already been posted and proven I'm not doing it again. Kakashi's blocks itachi's water drill with water wall and ducks him with a water clone. Itachi wasn't aware until he saw kakashi swimming under him lol

30% itachi isn't low diffing anyone. He at best could stall which he still failed at.

No he didn't, had he been focusing on noodles he wouldn't have gotten slammed by rasengan(Inb4 he wasn't trying hard).
Actually they both have 3. Shows how much you know.

He has 3 styles compared to itachis 2. And unlike itachi who focuses on genjutsu (useless against kakashi) kakashi focuses on ninjutsu. Don't bs itachi at best could fight for 30 minutes. Kakashi fought 4 3 days.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi fans allways bring examples 300-400 chapters ago, this is 3 T war arc kakashi.

It's called desperation. They can't admit their boy got surpassed, so they try to hang on the past to ignore the present

 

[ATD]

It's called desperation. They can't admit their boy got surpassed, so they try to hang on the past to ignore the present

yeah true !

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

False. Kakashi clone matched itachi clone in Taijutsu so that's moot.

How can I expect you to interpret the Manga correctly if you can't even understand what I was saying?

But he didn't. Not only did he not hit kabuto directly but he had to use a crow clone to set it up.

So you're ignoring the fact that Kabuto>>>>Kakashi in reactions? And I still haven't heard a counter to the original scan I posted, so really, your arguments are pointless...

The scan has already been posted and proven I'm not doing it again. Kakashi's blocks itachi's water drill with water wall and ducks him with a water clone. Itachi wasn't aware until he saw kakashi swimming under him lol

And? He remained unscathed in that fight, but if Itachi uses a bunshin feint, Kakashi will either die, or be set up to die.

30% itachi isn't low diffing anyone. He at best could stall which he still failed at.

So I'll take your word for it? Even while there's scans supporting my claim? u funny

No he didn't, had he been focusing on noodles he wouldn't have gotten slammed by rasengan(Inb4 he wasn't trying hard).
Actually they both have 3. Shows how much you know.

Forgetting how Itachi used Genjutsu on Naruto?
Last I checked, Kakashi used a water clone with an already existing water source, but you can believe that he can use it on land

He has 3 styles compared to itachis 2. And unlike itachi who focuses on genjutsu (useless against kakashi) kakashi focuses on ninjutsu. Don't bs itachi at best could fight for 30 minutes. Kakashi fought 4 3 days.

We haven't seen Kakashi create Suiton without a source of water, and his Doton is mediocre.
And for your Kakashi example, really? Kakashi was fighting without his MS for the majority and Itachi can last relatively long without his MS as well.
Kakashi was also juiced with Kyuubi and Rikudou chakra as well.

Basically, your only argument is that Itachi will fall for Kakashi's clone feint, which in itself is a flawed argument.
Unless you can counter the scan I posted like 3 pages back, don't bother replying m8

 

[ATD]

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Kakashi is using a suiton without a water source.

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first time kakashi was healed in the war due to kyubi chakra.
Before that he has fought the 7 ninja swordsmen, 1000 of zetsus, v2 jinchurikis,tobi,gedo mazu...

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itachis stadement after he was fooled by clone feints, btw this was eraly shippuuden kakashi, itachi fans try to forget that in this matchup kakashi has war arc feats.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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Kakashi is using a suiton without a water source.

My mistake, but that sill doesn't prove that he can create a Suiton Bunshin without a water source.

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first time kakashi was healed in the war due to kyubi chakra.
Before that he has fought the 7 ninja swordsmen, 1000 of zetsus, v2 jinchurikis,tobi,gedo mazu...

With breaks, and he hasn't even used Kamui until the Obito fight, which is when he actually needed the Kyuubichakra.

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itachis stadement after he was fooled by clone feints, btw this was eraly shippuuden kakashi, itachi fans try to forget that in this matchup kakashi has war arc feats.

And? You keep dodging the scan posted earlier like it doesn't exist. Stop annoying me with this until you can counter it, smh

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How can I expect you to interpret the Manga correctly if you can't even understand what I was saying?

coming from the man denying itachi's own admissions? Rich.

So you're ignoring the fact that Kabuto>>>>Kakashi in reactions?

No I'm saying that since itachi didn't hit him it can't be considered a blitz. Just because Itachi failed to hit kabuto that doesn't mean he'll successfully hit kakashi.

And I still haven't heard a counter to the original scan I posted, so really, your arguments are pointless...

I asked you to counter your own scan since
A) kakashi already put itachi in that exact situation
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B) war arc kakashi is vastly superior to Hebi Sasuke

And? He remained unscathed in that fight,

since kakashi had to save kuranai

but if Itachi uses a bunshin feint, Kakashi will either die, or be set up to die.

Really? Cuz he used a exploding clones in that fight and not only did kakashi see through it, he saved kuranai from it. He didn't die (despite your claim) and he saved someone else (despite itachi's setup)

So I'll take your word for it? Even while there's scans supporting my claim? u funny

what scans? The 30 % itachi lost.

Forgetting how Itachi used Genjutsu on Naruto?

No I'm well aware. But it doesn't change him getting slammed by rasengan. So much for focus.

Last I checked, Kakashi used a water clone with an already existing water source,but you can believe that he can use it on land

Kakashi's first use of water clone was on land....

We haven't seen Kakashi create Suiton without a source of water,

Did it against kakazu.

and his Doton is mediocre.

Yet itachi got fooled by it. That focus tho.

And for your Kakashi example, really? Kakashi was fighting without his MS for the majority

used ms 5 times.

and Itachi can last relatively long without his MS as well.

I'll count it out 4 u. 1 Tsukiyomi, 2 amaterasu, 2 susanno, runs out of chakra.

Kakashi was also juiced with Kyuubi and Rikudou chakra as well.

only after his second day of war. And if we're using rikudo 3 t kakashi itachi gets murderstomped. So you'd best not bring it up again.

Basically, your only argument is that Itachi will fall for Kakashi's clone feint,

like he already did twice... but contine.

which in itself is a flawed argument

Not really considering pain, deidara, hidan, itachi , kisame zabuza etc all fell for it.

Unless you can counter the scan I posted like 3 pages back, don't bother replying m8

He wouldn't be caught dead in a situation like that. He(unlike sasuke) is a clone user. What the hell is he doing engaging itachi directly? Lol

Kakashi's gonna use ninjutsu (water walls earth wall, lightNing hounds, etc) to break los. Then he sets up his clone feints.

Creates water clone without source of water.

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[ATD]

My mistake, but that sill doesn't prove that he can create a Suiton Bunshin without a water source.


With breaks, and he hasn't even used Kamui until the Obito fight, which is when he actually needed the Kyuubichakra.



And? You keep dodging the scan posted earlier like it doesn't exist. Stop annoying me with this until you can counter it, smh

yes because he is a non uchiha and he was using it like he is one , this speaks for his chakra levels, an other skill area where he is superioir to itachi.

you never posted a scan to me, what scan do you mean ?