Itachi vs Jiraiya

[silmarill]

urm no, tobi saw the eyes bleed and everything, he simply COULD not react in time

You have to realize that it's reaction time + hand seals to make up the full time of this process.

what you're going off is if he had instant reaction time, which is impossible.. maybe minato and raikage A could pull that off .. but normal ninja? no.. not even tobi could do that

Lets forget about the fact that Jirayja would indeed easily be amaterasu'd theres no argue about that
The situation tobi was in : he was shocked and didnt have his guard up i think thats why he took a clean hit from amaterasu , i really doubt in an actual battle he would get hit with it
When fighting he could react to it
the situation in the cave he couldnt ever have known that sasuke suddenly would just use amaterasu like that

 

[Owarij]

Lets forget about the fact that Jirayja would indeed easily be amaterasu'd theres no argue about that
The situation tobi was in : he was shocked and didnt have his guard up i think thats why he took a clean hit from amaterasu , i really doubt in an actual battle he would get hit with it
When fighting he could react to it
the situation in the cave he couldnt ever have known that sasuke suddenly would just use amaterasu like that

he saw the eyes bleed and itachi's ms appear, he knew what was going on, he didn't have time to do anything about it

 

[silmarill]

he saw the eyes bleed and itachi's ms appear, he knew what was going on, he didn't have time to do anything about it

isnt that arguable?
he saw the eyes bleeding , he could have made himself intangible I think
Maybe he didnt know what was coming, he saw a ms how could he know amaterasu was coming unless he could sens it

 

[~Uzumaki~]

urm no, tobi saw the eyes bleed and everything, he simply COULD not react in time

You have to realize that it's reaction time + hand seals to make up the full time of this process.

what you're going off is if he had instant reaction time, which is impossible.. maybe minato and raikage A could pull that off .. but normal ninja? no.. not even tobi could do that

sealed techniques have been shown to circumvent preparation as you can see, the cracking of the eyes that come with using Ama didn't happen to Sasuke, the moment the MAngekyo formed, it fired, lets look at another sealed echnique, SAsuke's shuriken sealing in scrolls, Databook says that completely saves the usual time of pull out weapon and taking the right stance, another sealed technique is Minato sealing himself and appeared the very second Naruto was about to remove the seal, sealed techniques circumvent preparation for the technique. Amaterasu takes a few seconds to fire, Jiraiya can form two seals, the tech will activate immediately and gravity will take care of the rest and I've explained the speed of free falling objects, besides once swamp activate itachi feets himself start to sink, he'll look down and looking down is all the time gravity needs to pull him into the abyss.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

he saw the eyes bleed and itachi's ms appear, he knew what was going on, he didn't have time to do anything about it

well you may be right but that is not relevant, I'm not talking about doing something once AMaterasu is prepared, I'm talknig about doing something before it is prepared, the prep isn't as instantanous as in Sasuke's use against Tobi, look at Itachi's use against SAsuke and Sasuke's use against Raikage.

 

[Owarij]

well you may be right but that is not relevant, I'm not talking about doing something once AMaterasu is prepared, I'm talknig about doing something before it is prepared, the prep isn't as instantanous as in Sasuke's use against Tobi, look at Itachi's use against SAsuke and Sasuke's use against Raikage.

look at sasuke's use against danzo.. instant, danzo could even bring out moukouton against susanno arrow.. not amaterasu.. show's it's even faster than the arrows,

Itachi's use against the summoning and nagato.. instant...

 

[~Uzumaki~]

look at sasuke's use against danzo.. instant, danzo could even bring out moukouton against susanno arrow.. not amaterasu.. show's it's even faster than the arrows,

Itachi's use against the summoning and nagato.. instant...

Danzo saw it and could move his arm to cover his face before it fire not to mention that SAsuke prepared it before he was at eye level with Danzo
Against Summoning, bird flew out of Naruto's mouth and cast genjutsu on him before he could fire it, blood was already coming out of his eye before the bird could do it. slow man, slow.
BTW I JUST SAW HOW YOU...YOU DEFILED FFF!!!!!! WITH THAT NAME!!!!!

 

[FloriGlori]

@FloriGlori SAsuke and Itachi were standing a good distance apart when the illusion ended meaning Itachi never charged at Sasuke and held his hands for the Karasu Bunshin to throw kunia at him and SAsuke never brought snake out from his cursed seal, the Tsukuyomi was at the end of the shuriken duel.

I explained Turson's pics, go back and read it.

its not as simple as blinknig and it takes enough time for two seals to be formed, again read my reply to Turson

As I said, you're wrong. Tsukuyomi starts right after Sasuke kills Itachi's Bunshin. That's further implied by the panel showing Itachi's left Mangekyou Sharingan.

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I read everything you said, otherwise I wouldn't have answered you. You didn't explain anything, you were rather making excuses. It was shown more than one time that Amaterasu can be used with the blink of an eye. That it took some time in certain situations doesn't mean that it can't be used instantly, because that already was the case. Susanoo took some time to be build up and covered with muscles as well the first time, but as we saw it can also be activated instantly. You're absoulutely wrong on this matter.

 

[Owarij]

Danzo saw it and could move his arm to cover his face before it fire not to mention that SAsuke prepared it before he was at eye level with Danzo
Against Summoning, bird flew out of Naruto's mouth and cast genjutsu on him before he could fire it, blood was already coming out of his eye before the bird could do it. slow man, slow.

blood was coming out because of the kotoamatsuki thing.. not amaterasu..

you see nagato say" what? it wasn't amaterasu? "

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BTW I JUST SAW HOW YOU...YOU DEFILED FFF!!!!!! WITH THAT NAME!!!!!

LMAOOOOO, i literally laughed out loud reading this xD

 

[~Uzumaki~]

As I said, you're wrong. Tsukuyomi starts right after Sasuke kills Itachi's Bunshin. That's further implied by the panel showing Itachi's left Mangekyou Sharingan.

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I read everything you said, otherwise I wouldn't have answered you. You didn't explain anything, you were rather making excuses. It was shown more than one time that Amaterasu can be used with the blink of an eye. Susanoo took some time to be build up as well the first time, but as we saw it can also be activated instantly. You're absoulutely wrong on this matter.

whenSAsuke broke Tsukuyomi, were tehy crows in the battlefield? No? Well then it was genjutsu?

 

[Paintachi]

sick itachi jiraiya high/midd diff.
Healthy itachi Mid difficulty

 

[~Uzumaki~]

blood was coming out because of the kotoamatsuki thing.. not amaterasu..

you see nagato say" what? it wasn't amaterasu? "

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LMAOOOOO, i literally laughed out loud reading this xD

THIS WAS WHEN BLOOD STARTED TO COME OUT

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THIS WAS WHEN NAGATO COULD MAKE A FULL SENTENCE AND BEE COULD THROW A SWORD BEFORE IT FIRED!!---

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THE FFF THING IS SERIOUS.

 

[Owarij]

THIS WAS WHEN BLOOD STARTED TO COME OUT

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THIS WAS WHEN NAGATO COULD MAKE A FULL SENTENCE AND BEE COULD THROW A SWORD BEFORE IT FIRED!!---

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THE FFF THING IS SERIOUS.

Blood came out long before that

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way back here... was when it first came out.. when the crow was looking at itachi..
the pressure and blood fooled nagato and made him think it was amaterasu.. it wasn't .. then itachi used KA

If that's not the case then all those scans show, is that after blood has come out, the user can choose when to execute amaterasu

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Blood came out long before that

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way back here... was when it first came out.. when the crow was looking at itachi..
the pressure and blood fooled nagato and made him think it was amaterasu.. it wasn't .. then itachi used KA

He was preparing Amaterasu while still under KAbuto's control,
He close eye then blood oozed
NAgato formed a full sentence, NAruto had a flash back, Bee threw a sword then he opened his eye for AMaterasuand at the same time crow cast genjutsu on Itachi then Itachi fired the Ama on dogs instead.

 

[Blaze Release]

Seems like people still dont understand itachi's amaterasu control therefore although im not getting into this very clear vs thread, id explain itachi's amaterasu control. Itachi has shown us the ability to prepare amaterasu and show clear sighs of it, but then withhold at the last minute and use it later on. Example is against nagato which people ignore.

He prepares amaterasu and shows clear sighs of it, this is the pressure in the air that nagato and zetsu two sensors and akatsuki members know about;

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After preparation, he withheld from using it and even fooled nagato the person who sensed it and asked whether it was amaterasu or not;

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Itachi then used amaterasu;

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Naruto thought itachi aimed amaterasu at him and missed, but he aimed at the summonings and not naruto, after he was brought back to his senses with ka;

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The same person who sensed amaterasu, got hit with it;

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What im trying to say is that you can prepare the technique and show sighs of it, but not use it until needed. When already prepared its ready to go

 

[Owarij]

He was preparing Amaterasu while still under KAbuto's control,
He close eye then blood oozed
NAgato formed a full sentence, NAruto had a flash back, Bee threw a sword then he opened his eye for AMaterasuand at the same time crow cast genjutsu on Itachi then Itachi fired the Ama on dogs instead.

Yeaa, i said if i'm wrong, then it means that the user can prepare and withold amaterasu and use it any time they want..

to me there were two ways that entire thing could be interpreted

If that's not the case then all those scans show, is that after blood has come out, the user can choose when to execute amaterasu

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Itachi, for reasons I don't even have to type

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Seems like people still dont understand itachi's amaterasu control therefore although im not getting into this very clear vs thread, id explain itachi's amaterasu control. Itachi has shown us the ability to prepare amaterasu and show clear sighs of it, but then withhold at the last minute and use it later on. Example is against nagato which people ignore.

He prepares amaterasu and shows clear sighs of it, this is the pressure in the air that nagato and zetsu two sensors and akatsuki members know about;

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After preparation, he withheld from using it and even fooled nagato the person who sensed it and asked whether it was amaterasu or not;

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Itachi then used amaterasu;

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Naruto thought itachi aimed amaterasu at him and missed, but he aimed at the summonings and not naruto, after he was brought back to his senses with ka;

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The same person who sensed amaterasu, got hit with it;

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What im trying to say is that you can prepare the technique and show sighs of it, but not use it until needed. When already prepared its ready to go

he prepared it in page 2 when he was still being controlled and had no reason to withhold it, before he could finish preparing it(remember at this point he was under control and had every reason to kill) NAgato formed a full sentence, Bee threw a sword, Nagato repelled it, then he opened his eye but before it could fire, he was placed under an illusion(Kotoamatsukami) and then he had the freedom to withhold it, aim it at dogs then at Nagato. the full sentence, sword throwing and repelling happened before Itachi(a 'wanting to attack Naruto' Itachi) could finish preparing Amaterasu and shoot.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Yeaa, i said if i'm wrong, then it means that the user can prepare and withold amaterasu and use it any time they want..

to me there were two ways that entire thing could be interpreted

no, when all this forming a full sentence
sword throwing and repelling happened, Itachi was still under control and very much did not want to withhold it meaning the delay wasn't by choice but because thats how it works.

 

[Owarij]

no, when all this forming a full sentence
sword throwing and repelling happened, Itachi was still under control and very much did not want to withhold it meaning the delay wasn't by choice but because thats how it works.

You forget itachi was under kabuto's control, and could never ever perform as good as he did with his ms..