that point would hold water if not for the fact that even alive, Itachi has never fired AMaterasu faster than that and the fact that he has been fighting at his optimum throughout the battle(referring to his speed and taijutsu and fireball that could annoy Samehada)
Itachi vs Jiraiya
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Blaze Release
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He didnt prepare amaterasu when he was under control, he activated his ms. He was realised from edo tensei the moment the crow recognised his ms design and came out of naruto and that was in page 1. He then proceed to to prepare amaterasu in page 3 and its in that page that he showed the sighs of it.
Anyway im not even sure why amaterasu is being argued here, jiraiya isnt evading it.
Anyway ive a project in mind and ive held it long enough. Done here :scorps:
Anyway im not even sure why amaterasu is being argued here, jiraiya isnt evading it.
Anyway ive a project in mind and ive held it long enough. Done here :scorps:
Bird flew to Itachi in order to make eye contact for the genjutsu. if just coming out was enough to use the illusion then it wouldn't have needed to fly to Itachi before coming back to rest on Naruto's shoulder.
if he was fighting at optimum, he would have sent a kagebunshin behind kliller bee, made it explode etc..
itachi hasn't fire faster than that, because we barely saw him fight..
But saske has fired MUCH faster than that MULTIPLE times..
FloriGlori
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They disappeared? Like Kuchyose animals usually do. In case of Itachi they don't even have to disappear in a cloud of smoke. When Sasuke defeated Itachi's Bunshin in that cave they turned to feathers and fell down.
there were feathers when SAsuke defeated Karasu Itachi and the feathers lingered on for Karin to walk in and see them, KArin saw them. If what you're saying is true then when SAsuke broke the instantaneous genjutsu Tsukuyomi, the feathers are supposed to still be falling, also the shuriken used to kill the bushin will be on the floor but its not anywhere.
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Its all in your head
FloriGlori
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As I just said, they can disappear either way.there were feathers when SAsuke defeated Karasu Itachi and the feathers lingered on for Karin to walk in and see them, KArin saw them. If what you're saying is true then when SAsuke broke the instantaneous genjutsu Tsukuyomi, the feathers are supposed to still be falling, also the shuriken used to kill the bushin will be on the floor but its not anywhere.
Its all in your head
As for the Shuriken, it either disappeared as well - Sasuke used the Kage Shuriken Jutsu later on, maybe he only has two of them and therefore needed it, thus removing it - or Kishi simply forgott to draw it. Wouldn't be the first time - the Shuriken Naruto threw at Sasori wasn't seen again either. There are more mistakes like that one. It's obvious that Tsukuyomi was used after Itachi's Bunshin was killed.
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Anyway, since you obviously can't be convinced, I have another example for you, showing basicly the same thing - Itachi using a Kage Bunshin without notable seals, too fast to react - and this happens in reality a 100%. It was not part of Itachi's Genjutsu, since Kakashi noticed the Bunshin as well.
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darthvader5666
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He'd probably have the sense not to look into Itachi's eyes, and he is stronger by hype (I believe Itachi feared that he and Kisame could manage a draw with him at best, and they did run away from him). However, as I said before, Itachi would win by feats, since Jiraiya has no answer to Amaterasu.
The sense not to look into Itachis eyes, heh? Even Kakashi, who knew and felt Tsukuyomi on his own wasn't able to avoid eye contact in his second confrontation with Itachi. With his actions, Itachi will exert enough pressure so Jiraiyas concentration will take off and he's forced to look into Itachis eyes. It's not like Jiraiya completed a training in order to fight a Sharinganuser successfully. Above Itachi can cast Genjutsus not only with his eyes but with his whole body and his crows by giving them his Sharingan.
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stronger then hype my ass..
Run away? HAVE YOU READ THE MANGA? itachi was not there to kill konoha ninja.. he was backing konoha.. he was only in akatsuki as a spy
WTF...
and most translators agree that Itachi and kisame were talking about a fight with naruto(kyuubi)
If you look at what they say...
"He's out of my league.. Idk about you"
"Yeah.. if we fought him we'd probably end up killing each other, even if we got more backup, it would most likely be the same "
"It was lucky we found him , but his guard is one of the legendary sannin, that man might be a match for konoha's uchiha itachi, and me.."
"every man has a weakness.."
You realize they are talking about "him" Then at the end, end up talking about who his guard was?
GO talk to a translator and find out yourself if you're confused
Itachi already Destroyed Jiraya's "sannin" Reputation at the age of 11 when he defeated Orochimaru...
You think he's afraid of another sannin at age 17?
And you think, if they got more backup jiraya could beat them all?
Kisame,itachi, sasori, hidan
You think he can beat them all? Nonsense
If you look closely once more, The person itachi was talking about before, Could defeat Itachi and kisame + More akatsuki backup
When they talk about jiraya in the end, they say he MIGHT be a match for itachi and kisame because he is a sannin..
In other words kisame is saying they would most likely destroy him
And as for "sense not to look into his eyes"
PLEASE...Orochimaru is smarter than him, the genius of the group, AS old as him.. spent his life studying sharingan
and oro looked into sharingan eyes.....Same with Gaara , shee , darui and many other characters.... So sense? NOT without reasonable belief
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so wait you're saying they are talking about genin NAruto? THe same genin NAruto they were discussing whether or not to chop of his leg? Or they are talking about Kurama who can't die and who can have its chakra easily eaten by Samehada, KIsame showed not the tiniest bit of fear when NAruto released Kurama's chakra, this whole mistranslation thing makes no sense, they were talking about Jiraiya, he's the only person that they treated like an opponent when they met him and its obvious Kishi was trying to hype Jiraiya that whole arc
Ramen guy talks about how to Sannin are great
Jiraiya reveals to Naruto that he taught the Fourth and learned from the Third
Itachi and Kisame made this statement
Itachi and Kisame end up running away.
Kishi wanted to build Jiraiya's rep.
And you still don't know the circumstances surrounding Orochimaru's eye contact, nobody just stands in front of someone staring at their eyes for no reason.
I do reccomend you go do some research and find information on it before you say it makes no sense..
EVERY translator agrees on the same thing.. even the one from this forum made a post about it in the manga section..
gottheim (or w.e his name is) who translates the databooks also made a post about it
You can look at it in ENGLISH, and see that they are talking about jiraya in the the last part , and "him" in the first
NO FEAR? lmao
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who did they have no fear against?
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they both reacted MUCH more to naruto activating kyuubi's chakra, than jiraya randomly popping up..
and as for itachi wanting to cut naruto's legs off, It absolutely shocks me that you think he was serious..
Firstly, kisame said that, and even kisame isn't stupid enough to do that... He was just going to cut naruto.. if you look at how his sword was coming down, it wasn't low to cut his legs...
Cutting someones two legs off will make them bleed to death without care... they had to keep naruto alive and carry him to a hideout...
Drakengard
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After being terrified, he ate the chakra with Samehada and returned to his complete and utter underestimation of Naruto and his whole existence
Shonensuki is Narutopedia's translator, he makes no mention. When asked he saw nothing other than the hype for Jiraiya.
If Naruto was the real powerful threat, wouldn't they have been less relaxed? and why bother luring weak old Jiraiya away?
Hidan performed his ritual on the two tails jinchuuriki. She was pinned to a rock and Hidan had a stake in his chest meaning she also had the chest injury. Akatsuki gets rough.
Translation and opinion as well as comment from Monzaemon: "I don't know about me, but I'm pretty sure you could've handled him"
"Hmmm...we would either both be killed, or it would be a draw. It wouldn't matter if we went in with more people or not".
Kisame brings up a certain individual, who Itachi states that they would die fighting against, and that it wouldn't matter if they went in with more people or not. Then the conversation continues:
"His caretaker is one of the legendary Sannins".
In the first part of the dialogue, they were talking about a certain individual, who they refer to as "him", and then they switch their conversation that same individual's caretaker. "His" caretaker.
They did not know how powerful naruto was, or how much control he had over the kyuubi... it could go beserk at any time , these things happen with jinchuriki.. look at young gaara
less relaxed? ninjas almost never show emotion, they did show their true emotion however when naruto started letting out kyuubi chakra
Read that scan again , in english... you'll see they were talking about "HIM" then jiraya... It's plain english...
Translators even understand it in jappanese
"Hmmm...we would either both be killed, or it would be a draw. It wouldn't matter if we went in with more people or not".
Kisame brings up a certain individual, who Itachi states that they would die fighting against, and that it wouldn't matter if they went in with more people or not. Then the conversation continues:
"His caretaker is one of the legendary Sannins".
In the first part of the dialogue, they were talking about a certain individual, who they refer to as "him", and then they switch their conversation that same individual's caretaker. "His" caretaker.
They did not know how powerful naruto was, or how much control he had over the kyuubi... it could go beserk at any time , these things happen with jinchuriki.. look at young gaara
less relaxed? ninjas almost never show emotion, they did show their true emotion however when naruto started letting out kyuubi chakra
Read that scan again , in english... you'll see they were talking about "HIM" then jiraya... It's plain english...
Translators even understand it in jappanese
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TheSages456
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jiraiya beats an alive itachi.
to counter clones and sneak attacks jiraiya would put up a barrier. in sm jiraiya can sense danger faster. to deal with genjutsu jiraiya would just not look in his eyes. to counter amaterasu jiraiya would just use needle jizo to protect himself and then shed his hair. for susano, swamp of the underworld would do the trick. this battle ends with ma and pas genjutsu
to counter clones and sneak attacks jiraiya would put up a barrier. in sm jiraiya can sense danger faster. to deal with genjutsu jiraiya would just not look in his eyes. to counter amaterasu jiraiya would just use needle jizo to protect himself and then shed his hair. for susano, swamp of the underworld would do the trick. this battle ends with ma and pas genjutsu