Itachi vs Jiraiya

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the arguments for itachi are just too good.
the arguemnts for jiraya are misrably bad. jiraya doesn't stand a chance


prety much every thing said for itachi is flawless and full with evidence
itachi wins
ive YET to see a jiraya fan win a vs thread argument of the two characters -_-
there is no possible scenario where jiraya wins unless he starts in sm, and even then its iffy...
 

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+rep so true

Pro-Itachi Argument

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Actions speak louder than words: you don't turn your back on someone that to use your exhausting trump-card genjutsu, , on a broken genin (although that is something that someone that stomped Jiriaya's genius-rival might do...) We know Itachi has to Kisame about the hype he gave Jiraiya that his previous statement, and Kisame even himself. So between ridiculously false hype and databook stat totals, which are a staple argument of Jiriaya fans because Itachi has the most maximum scores of any ninja, whereas Jiraiya has very few maximum scores.Now we can move on to... Feats-stuff.

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First, if Jiraiya summon an army on top of Ma and Pa, Itachi can dodge a toad army all day who . Secondly, Itachi has to manipulate multiple targets, or he control summons with the Sharingan power that Minato needed a placed on the controller to counter. Sasuke directly stated that , but that it was stronger than his own at the time, being able to control the Nine Tails. It is the same ability, according to the databook, and common misnomer is that the power is an illusion, or that the summons are being tricked, is incorrect. The databook and Manda indicate that it isn't a trick, but a raw control:



As for the hyped Food Cart Destroyer or Yomi Numa for that matter, please note: Jiriaya said that his senbon technique was his i.e. his hardest jutsu to evade. The databook text of Food Cart Destroyer does say "right above". However, it means right above as "in a straight line above". The Japanese word is 真上 (ma-ue). There is no implication of distance, other than the mentioned several hundred-foot dive. This is why it has only ever been used on giant creatures, and not tiny ninja, because the ninja have a great deal more time to react. Moreover, the Sharingan determines the of a technique, and would see it coming. Moreover, Jiriaya, like Killer Bee, is an , and if by some miracle he achieves Hermit Mode, Itachi is able to to kill Jiraiya since their willpower is almost certainly less than the Nine Tailed Fox. But lets say Jiraiya starts in Hermit Mode, and that Itachi can't control Fukasaku to remove Jiriaya's head.

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Jiriaya's detection barrier is a banner for pro-Jiriaya arguers, but they frequently ignore that Jiraiya himself said that and without knowing he has to do what everyone has had to do. Either not look at Itachi at all, or look at Itachi's eyes ( .) Having inferior intellect and knowledge of genjutsu to Orochimaru will come in handy here. But if Ma and Pa, who aren't being controlled for plot reasons, break him out, realize that it still took time for to break weaker genjutsu, and even However, Jiriaya might as well instantly reflect all of Itachi's genjutsu back on to Itachi for all the good it will do him against the rest of Itachi's arsenal.

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There are some key things everybody ignores about this feat. The Raikage spent time for a shunshin that Karin and C noticed. Secondly, the Raikage was tipped off by . Neither of these are likely for Jiraiya who will probably be . As a tertiary point, it's highly unlikely that Jiraiya can even match A's ushrouded reflexes. And as a quaternary point, Itachi's Amaterasu burns than Sasuke's thus far, and was activated while running at full speed towards a wall five feet away. And then, his ultimate jutsu:

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It's a common mistake to assume Susano'o is a primarily defensive jutsu. It's not. The databook first and foremost hypes the that presumably surpasses his other two techniques. It caught Orochimaru in between words, right in front of him, without him even noticing, when other speed demons get off. Kakashi and Danzō had to use instant jutsu to deflect Susano'o attacks because they were so fast, and Sasuke only recently attained of Susano'o, which the author decided was a power-up to save for later. If Jiraiya is in the vicinity when it's activated, or if he thinks he break through it, then he's dead. It's also the best defensive jutsu in the manga, changing nature and shape to allegedly counter any jutsu.

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Jiriaya does not behave like a genius. He will most likely not make an immediate tactical retreat for Hermit Mode, as Gamaken was simply , and Jiriaya is the guy who hopped on to fight him. He will most likely not make a combat team of Kage Bunshin when it would have instead of using one as a momentary distraction. On the other hand, Itachi most likely will use genjutsu, and his Mangekyō Sharingan techniques, which Jiraiya can't answer to. Jiraiya needs to be smarter than Itachi to have a chance of winning... but he's not.
 

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Let me just start. Jiraiya has fanbase? As in loads of people that see him as their fav character? Cool. Back to the thread. Jiraiya's win is actually so easy. Jiraiya is a long range fighter mostly, Itachi's only long range tech is Susanoo, genjutsu is eliminated by great distance as he even had to come close to Bee to use Illusion on him, Jiraiya has an all ranges technique called Swamp of the Underworld which instantaneously sinks his target from any distance, it has only two hand seals. Itachi while preparing Amaterasu against Sasuke weaved a lot of seals, point is Amaterasu's preparation is more than the time it takes to form two hand seals. If Jiraiya starts off with this technique. Itachi is immediately finished. Activating Susanoo will only make him sink faster as the weight will pull him down as it anchored him down making him unable to dodge Kabuto's cave attack and he can't prepare Amaterasu before he's completely submerged, the time it would take for gravity to act on someone of Itachi size and pull him down if calculated is less than one second even accounting for the upthrust of the swamp and if he tries to get out, the databook says the more you struggle, the more you sink. If Itachi starts off with Susanoo, its attacks can be dodged as Totsuka has no speed feats, Yasaka Magatama move at Rasenshuriken speed which weakened Deva dodged easily. Jiraiya while dodging can still implement this technique and the technique is even more specialised for large opponents(like Susanoo) according to the databook, as for any form of speed blitz that people seem to put their hope on, Jiraiya fought wars so his taijutsu experience is great and he has equal databook speed with Sasuke and Deidara, the former who fought taijutsu with Itachi(albeit in Itachi's illusion) and could hold his own and latter who could fend off the taijutsu proficient team Guy without hands or ninjutsu. And if Itachi tries to come close, Jiraiya can paralyse him with Toad oil or fend him off with a clone or just sink him as he moves. Kakashi who even in part 1 could react and switch with water clone to escape Itachi's attack and save Kurenai has same speed as Jiraiya.
 
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Itachi while preparing Amaterasu against Sasuke weaved a lot of seals
Amaterasu doesnt require any hand seals, just like other MS techniques. Even in SM Jiraiya is not fast enough to fool Sharingan eyesight, which means that Ama is deadly for him. Moreover, Itachi can take control over any Jiraiya summon with Sharingan. Conclusion: J-man dont stand a chance.
 

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Amaterasu doesnt require any hand seals, just like other MS techniques. Even in SM Jiraiya is not fast enough to fool Sharingan eyesight, which means that Ama is deadly for him. Moreover, Itachi can take control over any Jiraiya summon with Sharingan. Conclusion: J-man dont stand a chance.
You don't get it, I'm saying that Itachi closed one eye to prepare Amaterasu and started forming seals, he formed up to 4 or 5 while still preparing Amaterasu meaning the speed of Amaterasu prep time takes longer than the time it takes to form 4 or 5 seals, Jiraiya only has to weave 2 and Itachi's sunk.
 

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You don't get it, I'm saying that Itachi closed one eye to prepare Amaterasu and started forming seals, he formed up to 4 or 5 while still preparing Amaterasu meaning the speed of Amaterasu prep time takes longer than the time it takes to form 4 or 5 seals, Jiraiya only has to weave 2 and Itachi's sunk.
Nope, you are the one that doesnt understand that Amaterasu doesnt require any hand seals. That technique just dont need them. User just molds chakra in the eye and focuses their eyesight at opponent. Thats all. That wasnt even Amaterasu.
 

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Nope, you are the one that doesnt understand that Amaterasu doesnt require any hand seals. That technique just dont need them. User just molds chakra in the eye and focuses their eyesight at opponent. Thats all. That wasnt even Amaterasu.
I'm not saying it requires seals I'm saying the prep time is more than the time it takes to form multiple seals, Itachi closes eye preparing Amaterasu, air shifted. Then while it prepares Itachi decides to form seals for a technique he forms up to 4 seals for that technique and still Amaterasu hasn't finished preparing, Sasuke throws shuriken at him and interrupts the prep.
 

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can't say or compare as
jiray love ot end fight quickly as seen though series

genjutsu can't work on him

had three great and to lord toads sage mode every quick analysis power

on the other hand itachi only had susano to fight with in case of jiraiya which will take time and chakara

ans simple jiraiya will win
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I'm not saying it requires seals I'm saying the prep time is more than the time it takes to form multiple seals, Itachi closes eye preparing Amaterasu, air shifted. Then while it prepares Itachi decides to form seals for a technique he forms up to 4 seals for that technique and still Amaterasu hasn't finished preparing, Sasuke throws shuriken at him and interrupts the prep.







Thats how long preparing Amaterasu takes. :rolleyes:
 

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Thats how long preparing Amaterasu takes. :rolleyes:
Again Kabuto they didn't show when Sasuke closed his eye so it must hhave been whe Kabuto tokk his sweet time yapping and yapping as his snake vomited a kunai


Against Danzo he prepared it while he jumped because he knew he wouldn't be done by the time he reached Danzo's height

eGo see when Sasuke uses it on Raikage, blood dripped from his face and fell on the floor before he could shoot it.

Against Sasuke, Itachi shot fireball and Sasuke's fireball had already started winning before it was shot.
 

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one important thing people are forgetting jiraiya can seal the Amaterasu

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but i guess still itachi wins
tosuka sword & yata mirror
 

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one important thing people are forgetting jiraiya can seal the Amaterasu

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but i guess still itachi wins
tosuka sword & yata mirror
That method takes too much time to be used during combat. Jiraiya would be burning long before he would be able to pull out the scroll and write sealing formula on it.
 
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