[VS] Itachi-Sasori Vs. Kisame-Deidara

[Zexion~]

Apparently some guy in the Hiden can use magnet release

Kajūra possesses the ability to combine Earth and Wind Release nature transformations, allowing him to access the Magnet Release kekkei genkai, which he uses in unison with Iron Sand. With it, he can absorb the mass around himself and expand his body's scalar appearance, taking on the shape of a giant. He can also use the technique in unison with Lightning Release nature transformation.

Are we taking this shit as canon feats or not? :lol Just curious


Anyways Magnet release is doton + fuuton .-.

 

[Worm]

Yeah. That guy is canon.

Apparently electrical properties expand Iron Sand.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah. That guy is canon.

Apparently electrical properties expand Iron Sand.

Thats poppin

 

[Rιver]

First, where was it stated that Deidara can't craft a bigger bomb then C3.



Gotcha

"Highest level of chakra..."

"Highest level of scale..."

I think that tells enough.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

"Highest level of chakra..."

"Highest level of scale..."

I think that tells enough.

I asked where it was specifically stated that Deidara can't craft a bigger bomb then C3. Highest level of scale and chakra would be exclusive to him, and not including the addition of an outside source of chakra. If he can craft a bigger bomb (provided he has enough clay) then I see no reason to believe an enhanced C3 bomb would be out of his reach.

 

[Rιver]

I asked where it was specifically stated that Deidara can't craft a bigger bomb then C3. Highest level of scale and chakra would be exclusive to him, and not including the addition of an outside source of chakra. If he can craft a bigger bomb (provided he has enough clay) then I see no reason to believe an enhanced C3 bomb would be out of his reach.

What?

1. Since when have there been more variants than C0 - C4?

2. Deidara states C3 is the highest level he can reach and it is on maximum output. Databook also supports this.

3. Still no evidence from your side as to how Deidara can enhance his C3 with more chakra. All you have is speculation that is walking on ice.

 

[Zexion~]

I asked where it was specifically stated that Deidara can't craft a bigger bomb then C3. Highest level of scale and chakra would be exclusive to him, and not including the addition of an outside source of chakra. If he can craft a bigger bomb (provided he has enough clay) then I see no reason to believe an enhanced C3 bomb would be out of his reach.

Pretty sure it also has to do with chakra quality as well, which can't be improved no matter how much more chakra you have.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What?

1. Since when have there been more variants than C0 - C4?

2. Deidara states C3 is the highest level he can reach and it is on maximum output. Databook also supports this.

3. Still no evidence from your side as to how Deidara can enhance his C3 with more chakra. All you have is speculation that is walking on ice.

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@ bold, yeah, exactly. Highest level he can reach on his own. Do I need to provide scans where Tsunade enhanced Onoki's Jinton with her chakra? A level of Jinton that Onoki would never be capable of reaching with his chakra alone.

 

[Rιver]

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@ bold, yeah, exactly. Highest level he can reach on his own. Do I need to provide scans where Tsunade enhanced Onoki's Jinton with her chakra? A level of Jinton that Onoki would never be capable of reaching with his chakra alone.

What is your point? Did someone other than Deidara enforce it? Because if not that panel is useless for you fam.

Again what are you talking about? Jinton first of all can't be canonically strengthened with chakra, only it can get bigger. So again quantity and not quality. You just enforced my point.

More chakra does not make Katon hotter. More chakra does not make Suiton more wet. More chakra does not make Doton stronger. It affects quantity not quality. To affect quality your chakra needs to be special type. Kisames is not.

And don't bring other jutsus because we are talking about Deidara and his explosives. Not Jinton.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What is your point? Did someone other than Deidara enforce it? Because if not that panel is useless for you fam.

It wasn't a variant of C0-C4. Nothing but a round lump of clay with an incredible amount of chakra pumped into it.

 

[Rιver]

It wasn't a variant of C0-C4. Nothing but a round lump of clay with an incredible amount of chakra pumped into it.

Where's your proof on that?

 

[Chīkara]

Where's your proof on that?

There is no proof on that. It's fanfic.

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[Forbidden Technique]

Alright, that makes more sense. I'll concede on the enhanced C3 bit - which was by no means a focal point of mine.

 

[super yang]

Itachi>Sasori>Kisame=/>Dodoria

guess who I think wins~

 

[Hyden]

Yet Chiyo was capable of comfortably reacting to it, and defending not only herself, but Sakura as well, at the last second from around a 20 meter distance. I'm not going to entertain the laughable notion of the IS traveling 400 meters within a split second and knocking out it's target before the fight even begins. Flimsy argument, right along with Totsuka sealing Kisame's suiton.

And what are you, his alt? What a cornball.

Yeah...Um an ad hominem really makes you seem shallow and is against the topic bro, however if it makes you feel any better I am not his alt. About Satetsu; Sasori controls the speed as seen here [

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]. If you re-read the fight, you'll realize that he didn't have it moving at it's maximum speed at all times which would account for Chiyo's and Sakura being able to defend.

 

[Waltz]

Yet Chiyo was capable of comfortably reacting to it, and defending not only herself, but Sakura as well, at the last second from around a 20 meter distance.I'm not going to entertain the laughable notion of the IS traveling 400 meters within a split second and knocking out it's target before the fight even begins .

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Sasori controls Satetsu's speed; this was clearly evident when he motioned for it to increase acceleration and it did indeed breach the sound barrier. Its rather odd that you've created a match-up thread with Sasori knowing so little of his abilities yet firmly argue in ignorance.

Well, I guess there's nothing else of interest here. ​

 

[Forbidden Technique]

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Sasori controls Satetsu's speed; this was clearly evident when he motioned for it to increase acceleration and it did indeed breach the sound barrier. Its rather odd that you've created a match-up thread with Sasori knowing so little of his abilities yet firmly argue in ignorance.

Well, I guess there's nothing else of interest here. ​

Which Chiyo then reacted to, as I stated. "Breaching the sound barrier" means hardily anything... Even part one Temari was capable of out-striking the speed of sound [

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]. Then we're assuming that, A) Sasori has clear sight of them from a 400 meter distance, and B) that the Kazekages magnetic forces even has that kind off range.

When ones reasoning revolves around Totsuka piercing and sealing all ninjutsu, and then IS covering a 400 meter distance and KO-ing the opposition off bat...? No, none at all.

 

[Waltz]

Which Chiyo then reacted to, as I stated. "Breaching the sound barrier" means hardily anything... Even part one Temari was capable of out-striking the speed of sound [

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]. Then we're assuming that, A) Sasori has clear sight of them from a 400 meter distance, and B) that the Kazekages magnetic forces even has that kind off range.

When ones reasoning revolves around Totsuka piercing and sealing all ninjutsu, and then IS covering a 400 meter distance and KO-ing the opposition off bat...? No, none at all.

I'll try to say this as simply as possible.

@Bold:

Sasori's attack started at a speed relatively noticeable to which even Sakura was able to see it advancing towards her which would have given Chiyo enough time to begin forming her defense:

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Sasori then made the motion necessary for Satetsu to increase it's speed; which gives Chiyo even further time to form her defense:

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Satetsu then accelerates beyond the sound barrier and makes impact quicker than Sakura could realize; by which time Chiyo would have already formed her defense:

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@ Red: Comparing Tayuya's slow wisps of traveling demons to Satetsu? The act of breaching the sound barrier isn't my point here Forbidden, it is the fact that there is an attack made of dense Iron sand traveling towards a target succeeding the speed of sound which happens to be 340.29 m/s. Regarding "A" If sasori could jam even the inner joints of Chiyo's puppets and arm [

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] without having a visual of each joint then it indicates some form of telekinesis. Regarding "B": pseudo recently posted the Databook segment of Satetsu; it did indicate "All Ranges" so there's no reason why Sasori would not be able to attack them even in such a rocky terrain as Satetsu cuts solid ground like butter.


Regarding that sword variant, Apex rose an idea which I haven't yet examined and will respond regarding that when I've done so. I'm still towards it being able to seal things other than what is commonly believed. ​

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I'll try to say this as simply as possible.

@Bold:

Sasori's attack started at a speed relatively noticeable to which even Sakura was able to see it advancing towards her which would have given Chiyo enough time to begin forming her defense:

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Sasori then made the motion necessary for Satetsu to increase it's speed; which gives Chiyo even further time to form her defense:

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Satetsu then accelerates beyond the sound barrier and makes impact quicker than Sakura could realize; by which time Chiyo would have already formed her defense:

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Likewise.

What actually happened is, Chiyo waited until the last second to react. As shown in the spoiler below, Sasori never let his sight off Chiyo and Sakura; while Chiyo just sat there and watched the IS advance towards her. She did absolutely nothing... No forming or initiating her defense. Rather you fabricating what actually occured, in favor of what you want to believe.

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Again, Sasori was watching them the entire time.

Then after Sasori accelerates the IS's speed, it makes impact. However, as shown in the spoiler below; Sasori was surprised to see that both Chiyo and Sakura were fine, despite the fact he was watching the entire sequence go down.

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This IS attack didn't obscure Sasori's vision in the slightest. So the very fact that he was surprised to see that both of them were unscathed, in addition to not knowing how Chiyo shielded herself until after the debris cleared, goes to prove that Chiyo did in fact react at the very last second. If she initiated her defense far before impact like you're suggesting, then Sasori would of seen it. Also, it's worth noting that she didn't just defend herself, she simultaneously defended Sakura as well from a "sound barrier busting" attack, within a relatively close range.

@ Red: Comparing Tayuya's slow wisps of traveling demons to Satetsu? The act of breaching the sound barrier isn't my point here Forbidden, it is the fact that there is an attack made of dense Iron sand traveling towards a target succeeding the speed of sound which happens to be 340.29 m/s. Regarding "A" If sasori could jam even the inner joints of Chiyo's puppets and arm [

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] without having a visual of each joint then it indicates some form of telekinesis. Regarding "B": pseudo recently posted the Databook segment of Satetsu; it did indicate "All Ranges" so there's no reason why Sasori would not be able to attack them even in such a rocky terrain as Satetsu cuts solid ground like butter.


Regarding that sword variant, Apex rose an idea which I haven't yet examined and will respond regarding that when I've done so. I'm still towards it being able to seal things other than what is commonly believed. ​

It's sound, is it not? It should travel at the same speed as all sound does through the air. Regardless, Chiyo was capable of more then just reacting to it from a relatively close range. Regarding A, that doesn't translate into Sasori's ability to accurately pinpoint and nail a target from 400 meters, especially in a mountainous rocky turrain. So now we're using no-limit fallacy in regards to B? Magnetic forces get progressively weaker as the magnetic field stretches as the range increases.

Smh.​

 

[Waltz]

Likewise.

What actually happened is, Chiyo waited until the last second to react. As shown in the spoiler below, Sasori never let his sight off Chiyo and Sakura; while Chiyo just sat there and watched the IS advance towards her. She did absolutely nothing... No forming or initiating her defense. Rather you fabricating what actually occured, in favor of what you want to believe.

Spoiler

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Again, Sasori was watching them the entire time.

Then after Sasori accelerates the IS's speed, it makes impact. However, as shown in the spoiler below; Sasori was surprised to see that both Chiyo and Sakura were fine, despite the fact he was watching the entire sequence go down.

Spoiler

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This IS attack didn't obscure Sasori's vision in the slightest. So the very fact that he was surprised to see that both of them were unscathed, in addition to not knowing how Chiyo shielded herself until after the debris cleared, goes to prove that Chiyo did in fact react at the very last second. If she initiated her defense far before impact like you're suggesting, then Sasori would of seen it. Also, it's worth noting that she didn't just defend herself, she simultaneously defended Sakura as well from a "sound barrier busting" attack, within a relatively close range.

Fabricating? doubt it. You're only reemphasizing my point. "The last second" would have been before Satetsu was accelerated. You cannot say she 'did nothing' because her rigged arm was beneath her cloak. Sasori was not keeping a visual to see if Chiyo could react in time (she had enough time to do so to begin with as I highlighted in my previous post) as

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but his interest was to see what her course of action would be in such a scenario as noted at the beginning of the Chapter:

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His surprise then was that Chiyo had rigged her own arm to install a defense as noted in the scan directly following:

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Sasori was never maintaining Satetsu's full speed throughout this battle. Even his attack following the one currently discussed he constructed weapons [

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] pages of conversation before actually proceeding to attack [

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] however Satetsu did indeed breech the sound barrier at a specific point to which Chiyo had prior a time to form a defense.
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It's sound, is it not? It should travel at the same speed as all sound does through the air. Regardless, Chiyo was capable of more then just reacting to it from a relatively close range. Regarding A, that doesn't translate into Sasori's ability to accurately pinpoint and nail a target from 400 meters, especially in a mountainous rocky turrain. So now we're using no-limit fallacy in regards to B? Magnetic forces get progressively weaker as the magnetic field stretches as the range increases.

Smh.

Her Genjutsu's effect doesn't take place instantaneously; when she initially began utilizing the flute, Shikamaru despite hearing it's sound was still able to maneuver his body to the extent that he was able to throw a Kunai before the Jutsu took full effect [

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] so what you term 'Temari reacted to Sound-speed' was actually Temari deflecting the sound before the Genjtusu took full effect; Shikamaru who also heard it testifies to this:

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I'll omit the bold then. @ Yellow: Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: If Sasori immobilized Joints of Chiyo's puppets which he had no visual of as they were concealed then he can one shot an enemy out in the open. who's temporarily behind a few rocks that Satetsu will gracefully destroy. @ Blue: There's no fallacy being applied here as

->1) the databook has within it's contents the ranges of Jutsu:

Close Range (0-5 Meters) Jutsu

Medium Range (5-10 Meters) Jutsu

Long Range (10- + Meters) Jutsu

-> 2) We've seen Jutsu's which take effect over 400 meters

-> 3) Since you haven't disproved Satetsu's speed and as it is capable of breaching the sound barrier, that is to travel faster than the speed of sound; then my argument remains.
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Magnetic forces get progressively weaker as the magnetic field stretches as the range increases

Doesn't have to stretch it: [

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[picture of Sasori and the Sandaime Kazekage puppet being surrounded by Iron Sand bullets]
[picture of the Iron Sand bullets hitting their target]
←↑The Iron Sand, suspended in mid-air, is changed into solid shapes in an instant. If the enemy is a moment too late in judging the situation, it will already be impossible for them to escape~~!!