[VS] Itachi-Sasori Vs. Kisame-Deidara

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Starting Distance: 400 meters
Location: 30% Kisame Vs Team Gai
Intel: Full
Conditions: Itachi is healthy. Sasori starts in his main body. Deidara has an abundant supply of clay. Kisame can use the Hidden Mist Jutsu.
Restrictions: Hype, and suicide techs

Only thing applicable here are feats. So let's completely erase Kisame-Deidara admitting inferiority out of our heads.

May the better duo (Kisame and Deidara) win. :cool:
 
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Itachi and Sasori win this, mid diff

--with the starting distance this large, sasori can use his IS to help itachi get close to the duo as the second he lays his eyes on deidara the latter gets one shotted by amaterasu, running away isnt cutting it for deidara when sasori can send his puppets to attack him along with itachi using his long distance attacks such as YM and ama, meaning deidara isnt doing shit,

--C4 isnt doing shit either, Hebi Sasuke implied that outrunning the C4 bombs wasnt an issue, itachi being immensely faster means that he dances away from them with ease, and using a crow ephemeral to make deidara into thinking that he is gone can also allow him to finish him off (thats if deidara even gets this far), as for sasori, welll C4 is inapplicable considering the dude doesnt even breath

--kisame going CQC against itachi is probably the dumbest thing he could do seeing that itachi is much faster than him and can enforce eye contact with kisame to finish him off with tsukuyomi,

--kisame using his long range attacks isnt working either,, not when his normal suitons can just be evaded whilst the duo attack him afterwards, waterdome wont be working since kisame will be unable to catch them, especially when the duo can just fly up vertically, sharks are also non factor here

--kisame isnt dancing around susanoo either, not when itachi can track his movements with ease and can coordinate susanoos attacks with sharingan to ensure that he gets hit, all of itachis jutsu execution speeds are superior to kisames, meaning that totsuka again would one shot kisame here

--sasoris IS flight can enable itachi to evade waterdome, not that it will even get prepped since itachi can prevent kisame from doing so through his array of one shot jutsus

--the quicker deidara gets finished,te worse it gets for kisame
 
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Tough match up to decide. If the fight takes to the skies, Deidara has an inherent edge in aerial combat over Sasori. But, unlike Sasori, his partner isn't nearly as useful in the sky. Most suiton are laughed at, and the only remotely useful jutsu is Daikodan for defensive purposes. Seeing as Iron Sand can defend against a Daikodan, or Sasori might be able to move Itachi and himself out of the way in time. A C2 might be able to bust it, or something of that caliber. But it;d take some timing to use a C2 -> Daikodan for possible Susano'o, IMO. They'd need to get closer and risk counter attacks, what with Sasori's poison and Itachi's quick attack speed and proficiency with kunai. . Damn. Not sure if they'd really escape that.

If the battle is on the land, Team 2 had a dominate edge. With Deidara's bombs being more potent underwater and Kisame just being able to control the field near effortlessly. But, I feel like if that happens, Sasori and Itachi take to the air and begin to bombard Kisame and Deidara from the waters surface. Kisame'll likely dodge the attacks, but I'm not sure if, on near level ground with the water/Itachi's sharingan and precog to help Sasori aim Iron Sand projectiles, Deidara will last too long in that field.

Regardless of where they fight, one member on Team 2 just isn't the most useful. And splitting up is an absolutely horrible idea. I'd go for Team 1 with medium to high difficulties.
 

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Edited the conditions. Kisame can use the Hidden Mist Jutsu (as he logically should be capable of doing). Does this change any opinions or difficulty of the match?
Aye, if you think Team 2 can win, why not throw down how you think the fight'll go. I don't see the Mist changing too much of the battle, only a few minor things honestly.
 

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Itachi disperses many karasu bunshin which are coated by Sasori's Iron sand and hides within them until he draws near to Deidara----activates Susano'o and pierces him through the heart with Totsuka and seals him away. During this time Deidara cannot destroy the karasu as they are coated and the closer they draw to him in proximity, his bombs grow a personal threat and neither can he out run their speed [ ]. Kisame who would be engaging Sasori would be targeted by the remaining Karasu from above simultaneously Sasori fires a multitude of poison coated needles wrapped in iron-sand. His only option at this point is to retreat beneath the surface of his Suiton jutsu as a failed-route to use viscosity to slow the incoming karasu which would leave him open for the needles [...] in any avail, he's fucked. Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha and that Dome can also be sealed by Itachi.
 
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Put C4 bombs in the water dome...

But really, this comes down to an aerial battle. Deidara has better aerial capabilities, but he can't kill them and Itachi would shoot down anyone if they try to come close. Kisame also can't do anything in the air, and he can't catch them in water dome either. They can take Deidara down with Magatamas like Sasuke did with shuriken [ ], with Sasori attaching puppet strings to the magatamas to control their direction. Any bomb can be tanked with Susanoo. Iron Sand or Yata Mirror can shield from Great Shark Bullet and Susanoo will eventually tear down water dome. Kisame will likely end up getting taken out with iron sand spear and hammer method.
 

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Aye, if you think Team 2 can win, why not throw down how you think the fight'll go. I don't see the Mist changing too much of the battle, only a few minor things honestly.
I think with the 400 meter starting distance, team two has the immediate advantage. Deidara can deploy two clay birds; one carrying Deidara and Kisame, while the other carries Nendo Bunshin versions of the two. Kisame can also deploy a few Mizu Bunshins, which'll all utilize Subteranean Voyage, and make their advance underground.

Sasori and/or Itachi will either remain on the ground or engage in an aerial battle.

If they remain on ground level, they're getting destroyed. Kisame with his massive chakra reserves can use Hidden Mist from the sky that will completely engulf the entire battlefield, as his Mizu Bunshins then utilize Bakusui Shōha by partly surfacing from underground. As quick and formidable as Itachi is, while blinded from the mist, he isn't going to have an easy time dealing with simultaneous aerial and below the surface assaults - where Susano'o completely fails at shielding him from. And the same applies for Sasori. The Mizu Bunshins (all equipped with Samehada) can sense his location and will thus will be able to effectively utilize their suiton shark variants, and ability to absorb chakra. Meaning, Itachi (and any of his bunshins) has to constantly avoid getting bombarded from underneath his feet, as well as avoid the Mizu Bunshins stripping away his Susano'o's chakra (if being used). All of Itachi's counter suiton efforts are meaningless due to the Samehada clones. Then if we add the aerial assaults from both Deidara and the real Kisame into the equation... C1 (or C2), Daikodan, etc. I'm going to have to say my homie Itachi is getting wrecked.

In a more likely scenario, where Sasori and Itachi are lifted into the air and engage in aerial combat; they're still blinded by the Hidden Mist with less sufficient means of aerial capabilities. All the while, Kisame can sense out their location with Samehada and inform Deidara of such. Also, the thick mist should actively and progressively be ridding Sasori's laced IS of it's poision, making it much less of a threat. Given full intel, that should be Kisames aim anyways - washing all the poison away with his suiton techniques. Now, what are Itachi and Sasori doing here to win? They're completely blinded and Deidara has Nendo Bunshins flying around as well to make matters even more complicated. While actively focusing on and relying on Samehada's sensing, nothing team one does should go unnoticed. They're offense is practically nulled in this scenario. Genjutsu isn't a threat. Amaterasu/Katon variants/Magnatamas are absorbed, and/or healed from. And IS lacking it's poison, is hardly a threat with Kisame's healing capabilites being factored. Of course, this would be assuming any of it even lands under these conditions.

The only thing formidable is team 1's defense. Between IS and Susano'o... that's tough to get around, but luckily team 2 has the GSB. It will devour through both Susano'o (at the right angle, avoding Yata) and the IS shield. And to completely avoid the 3rd Kazekage converts his chakra into magnetism argument; Deidara continuiously bombards the sand with his clay bombs. That'll definitely eventually make it's way through. Kisame can also fuel Deidara with chakra to make his bombs even stronger. Not to mention, Hidden Mist+C4 is a terrifying combo. If Itachi doesn't actively keep his Susano'o activated, he's getting GG'd easily. Then we have the WD... Yeah, don't see how Team 1 is winning this.



Itachi disperses many karasu bunshin which are coated by Sasori's Iron sand and hides within them until he draws near to Deidara----activates Susano'o and pierces him through the heart with Totsuka and seals him away. During this time Deidara cannot destroy the karasu as they are coated and the closer they draw to him in proximity, his bombs grow a personal threat and neither can he out run their speed [ ]. Kisame who would be engaging Sasori would be targeted by the remaining Karasu from above simultaneously Sasori fires a multitude of poison coated needles wrapped in iron-sand. His only option at this point is to retreat beneath the surface of his Suiton jutsu as a failed-route to use viscosity to slow the incoming karasu which would leave him open for the needles [...] in any avail, he's fucked. Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha and that Dome can also be sealed by Itachi.
Edited the stipulations. We're not seriously claiming that Totsuka is sealing Kisame's suiton, are we?
 
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Put C4 bombs in the water dome...

But really, this comes down to an aerial battle. Deidara has better aerial capabilities, but he can't kill them and Itachi would shoot down anyone if they try to come close. Kisame also can't do anything in the air, and he can't catch them in water dome either. They can take Deidara down with Magatamas like Sasuke did with shuriken [ ], with Sasori attaching puppet strings to the magatamas to control their direction. Any bomb can be tanked with Susanoo. Iron Sand or Yata Mirror can shield from Great Shark Bullet and Susanoo will eventually tear down water dome. Kisame will likely end up getting taken out with iron sand spear and hammer method.
Why wouldn't Kisame be able to catch them in the dome?
How would Susanoo take down the dome?
 

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Why wouldn't Kisame be able to catch them in the dome?
How would Susanoo take down the dome?
Kisame won't be able to catch them in his dome because Sasori can lift them into the air with iron sand. Powerful Susanoo slashes will cause shockwaves through the dome which will cause it to burst.
 

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Yep. Kisame and Deidara win this. Itachi and Sasori beat their partners individually, but here...

Pissame powers up Deidara with a massive amount of Chakra -> Deidara drops C3 -> GG Yata - since hype not allowed - and Iron Sand.

Mist Jutsu + C4 is a generally powerful combo, too, yeah.

Though Sasori might be capable of blowing back C3 before Deidara detonates it, but once Itachi gets rocked by C4, he can't take on Deidara + Pissame.
 

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Team 1 high diff.
-If mist is set up ISW one shots.

-Location also helps Itachi who can use Suiton wall to counter c1 and c2 guided birds or missiles

Sasori can create a platform for both him and Itachi if it becomes an airborne fight, not to mention the transcriptions Karasu bunshins can be imbued with like Tsukiyomi and Amateratsu. Either of these one shot Kisame, while Sasori can continiously send back Deidara's clay and attack him with IS.
 

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Dear god the iron sand wank is way too high.

Clone Feints could win this for team 2. Not to mention they would have the better teamwork, if Kisame brings out WD and Deidara takes to the skies team one doesn't have much to counter that.

C4 is a pretty good way to victory here as well.
 

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I think with the 400 meter starting distance, team two has the immediate advantage. Deidara can deploy two clay birds; one carrying Deidara and Kisame, while the other carries Nendo Bunshin versions of the two. Kisame can also deploy a few Mizu Bunshins, which'll all utilize Subteranean Voyage, and make their advance underground.

Sasori and/or Itachi will either remain on the ground or engage in an aerial battle.

If they remain on ground level, they're getting destroyed. Kisame with his massive chakra reserves can use Hidden Mist from the sky that will completely engulf the entire battlefield, as his Mizu Bunshins then utilize Bakusui Shōha by partly surfacing from underground. As quick and formidable as Itachi is, while blinded from the mist, he isn't going to have an easy time dealing with simultaneous aerial and below the surface assaults - where Susano'o completely fails at shielding him from. And the same applies for Sasori. The Mizu Bunshins (all equipped with Samehada) can sense his location and will thus will be able to effectively utilize their suiton shark variants, and ability to absorb chakra. Meaning, Itachi (and any of his bunshins) has to constantly avoid getting bombarded from underneath his feet, as well as avoid the Mizu Bunshins stripping away his Susano'o's chakra (if being used). All of Itachi's counter suiton efforts are meaningless due to the Samehada clones. Then if we add the aerial assaults from both Deidara and the real Kisame into the equation... C1 (or C2), Daikodan, etc. I'm going to have to say my homie Itachi is getting wrecked.

In a more likely scenario, where Sasori and Itachi are lifted into the air and engage in aerial combat; they're still blinded by the Hidden Mist with less sufficient means of aerial capabilities. All the while, Kisame can sense out their location with Samehada and inform Deidara of such. Also, the thick mist should actively and progressively be ridding Sasori's laced IS of it's poision, making it much less of a threat. Given full intel, that should be Kisames aim anyways - washing all the poison away with his suiton techniques. Now, what are Itachi and Sasori doing here to win? They're completely blinded and Deidara has Nendo Bunshins flying around as well to make matters even more complicated. While actively focusing on and relying on Samehada's sensing, nothing team one does should go unnoticed. They're offense is practically nulled in this scenario. Genjutsu isn't a threat. Amaterasu/Katon variants/Magnatamas are absorbed, and/or healed from. And IS lacking it's poison, is hardly a threat with Kisame's healing capabilites being factored. Of course, this would be assuming any of it even lands under these conditions.

The only thing formidable is team 1's defense. Between IS and Susano'o... that's tough to get around, but luckily team 2 has the GSB. It will devour through both Susano'o (at the right angle, avoding Yata) and the IS shield. And to completely avoid the 3rd Kazekage converts his chakra into magnetism argument; Deidara continuiously bombards the sand with his clay bombs. That'll definitely eventually make it's way through. Kisame can also fuel Deidara with chakra to make his bombs even stronger. Not to mention, Hidden Mist+C4 is a terrifying combo. If Itachi doesn't actively keep his Susano'o activated, he's getting GG'd easily. Then we have the WD... Yeah, don't see how Team 1 is winning this.



Edited the stipulations. We're not seriously claiming that Totsuka is sealing Kisame's suiton, are we?
Sorry :ilu:

Sasori simply mingles the hidden mist jutsu with his own Poison gas and Itachi uses a Susano'o ribacage (this could be also be any version of the Susano'o) as a defense for both. It means that the Mizu bunshin will be dispersed the moment they surface from the ground to perform Bakusui Shōha. The mist also impairs Deidara's vision as well as his bunshin; meaning that any explosive clay jutsu would be randomly sent into the mist and even if contact is made Susano'o tanks; the shockwaves from theses explosions would also clear the mist to an advantageous extent---or Itachi simply disperses it with Amaterasu's heat. Even in the event that the Mizu bunshins decide to attack from directly below the opponents; Susano-o provides a margin of defense against the mist's influence {similarly to [ ]} as Itachi would be able to see the area within and and the moment they are seen: [ ]. Sasori lifts susano'o with Iron sand above the mist, and the more mist produced the higher Susano'o is lifted. As it is a gas, the mist will be dispersed unnecessarily in all directions below the opponents. The second scenario will only amount to a waste of chakra on Kisame's behalf and at the end of each scenario, my previous post can still be applied or even modifiedI'll put it simply, there is nothing Diedara and Kisame can produce that Itachi and Sasori cannot fully counter and over come. Also Totsuka can indeed seal Kisame's suiton Jutsu; anything it pierces for that matter, are you honestly unaware it is OP as fuck? ;p

 
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