[VS] Itachi-Sasori Vs. Kisame-Deidara

[Lord Tywin]

Kisame won't be able to catch them in his dome because Sasori can lift them into the air with iron sand. Powerful Susanoo slashes will cause shockwaves through the dome which will cause it to burst.

He was fast enough to catch Bee. It took him a moment. Given the height of the time kisame has no problem catching either of them.
you're overestimating the heck out of v4 Susanoo. Its sword doesn't have the feats that can disturb the dome.

 

[Bantos]

I'm going with Itachi and Sasori.
Deidara has a chance to end this with c4 though.

 

[Chīkara]

Team 1 low dif.
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[Haizaki]

I like FT's strategy...I don't also believe Amaterasu would take out the Mist with such a huge range(Not saying it can't). It would almost be similar to what happened in the mist in bottom panel here (

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) the massive reserves and the fact that he can use a massive body of water which he himself can take advantage of. Pakura is a fire style user and she employed this in the Mist against other opponents which didn't completely take it down. Kisame's range would be ridiculous granting him this technique and unless Itachi is ready to waste a ridiculous amount of Chakra, I don't see him successfully countering it but then holding big techniques.

Genjutsu is an obvious non factor and there's no way Poision gas is going to effectively spread before the clones breathe in to use the Water Style FT spoke about.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Sorry :ilu:

Sasori simply mingles the hidden mist jutsu with his own Poison gas and Itachi uses a Susano'o ribacage (this could be also be any version of the Susano'o) as a defense for both. It means that the Mizu bunshin will be dispersed the moment they surface from the ground to perform Bakusui Shōha. The mist also impairs Deidara's vision as well as his bunshin; meaning that any explosive clay jutsu would be randomly sent into the mist and even if contact is made Susano'o tanks; the shockwaves from theses explosions would also clear the mist to an advantageous extent---or Itachi simply disperses it with Amaterasu's heat. Even in the event that the Mizu bunshins decide to attack from directly below the opponents; Susano-o provides a margin of defense against the mist's influence {similarly to [

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]} as Itachi would be able to see the area within and

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and the moment they are seen: [

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]. Sasori lifts susano'o with Iron sand above the mist, and the more mist produced the higher Susano'o is lifted. As it is a gas, the mist will be dispersed unnecessarily in all directions below the opponents. The second scenario will only amount to a waste of chakra on Kisame's behalf and at the end of each scenario, my previous post can still be applied or even modifiedI'll put it simply, there is nothing Diedara and Kisame can produce that Itachi and Sasori cannot fully counter and over come. Also Totsuka can indeed seal Kisame's suiton Jutsu; anything it pierces for that matter, are you honestly unaware it is OP as fuck? ;p

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Solid point, but there is no reason to believe that Sasori's supply of poison gas will come even remotely close to rivaling the amount of mist Kisame can emit. It will be released, and then eventually dispersed into nothing... Especially when we factor in Deidara's clay explosions, which would be even more effective then Sakura's explosive tag [

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]. All this, and in addition to the fact that the real Kisame and Deidara wouldn't be flying within the oppositions vicinity because, A) Full intel makes them fully aware of the poison gas possibility, B) Letting off C4 within the mist would be a logical strategy and a priority, and C) Kisame will know of their exact location granted Samehada's sensing capabilites. And I do not see how Mizu Bunshins (composed of water and chakra) will be effected by the poison gas, assuming it even reaches them. Also, any explosion or effort to disperse Kisame's mist is ultimately futile. Neither Itachi or Sasori are contesting him in chakra capacity; he'd simply emit more.

Susano'o will always be trumped by GSB, so that is hardily a factor in this fight. Unless you'd want to argue that Itachi maintains a V4 Susano'o equipped with Yata Mirror throughout the entire duration..? In which case, is still futile when we factor in the mist, full intel, and Samehadas sensing. An undetected C4 would GG Itachi at any moment his susano'o is not activated. An undetected C3 (enhanced with Kisame's chakra) being dropped on the team more then likely GG's them as well. Your previous strategy hardly takes anything Kisame and Deidara have to offer into consideration, and is even less viable under the Hidden Mist conditions. Totsuka Blades databook description makes it quite clear that it only seals living entities within it's genjutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol, this guy actually thinks Totsuka has the ability to seal non-living entities. Makes sense that you can stab the moon and seal it. Totsuka=moon buster+++. What's funnier is that the moon is going to be put into a genjutsu. Makes sense now..

 

[Chīkara]

Lol, this guy actually thinks Totsuka has the ability to seal non-living entities. Makes sense that you can stab the moon and seal it. Totsuka=moon buster+++. What's funnier is that the moon is going to be put into a genjutsu. Makes sense now..

Damn, shots fired.
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[Waltz]

I did say to an advantageous extent; it would be out of character for Itachi to spend his chakra fueling Amaterasu to disperse the entire mist; it's unnecessary. The jutsu itself takes place quite gradually as the user has to force fore chakra into it in order to make the air more potent with water molecules. The bunshin will reach Itachi and Sasori before Kisame's mist which is being done from several meters in the air.
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NINJUTSU; Kirigakure no jutsu (Kirigakure's Mist Dissimulation technique*)
User: Momochi Zabuza
Supplementary; Rank: D

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This displacement jutsu is a specialty of Hidden Mist shinobi, where one causes a mist to spring forth by lifting up some water, then goes in and out of sight at will from within the pearly-white realm. The mist's thickness is controled by the amount of chakra kneaded into it. Making a liberal use of this, Zabuza carried out a great many assassinations, and was dreaded as the"Prodigy of Silent Murder".

When those clones open their mouth to perform the jutsu

The jutsu is caused due to tiny droplets of water mingled with the users chakra being suspended in the air affecting visibility at ground level and thus Amaterasu will burn the fog and it's heat will evaporate the droplets dispersing the jutsu. Itach

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and they're unaffected by the slowly incoming mist. When those clones begin to perform hand seals, Itachi coats Sasori's Iron sand pellets (which are physically configured as dildo's) with amaterasu and they are fired at supersonic speeds into the Mizu bunshin's mouth's as they are about to perform the jutsu. As amaterasu's heat can disperse the mist, it can be used in conjunction with Iron sands properties to spread heat throughout vast areas of the location.
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Lol, this guy actually thinks Totsuka has the ability to seal non-living entities. Makes sense that you can stab the moon and seal it. Totsuka=moon buster+++. What's funnier is that the moon is going to be put into a genjutsu. Makes sense now..

Hmm..Ignorance once again raises it's head. If Totsuka couldn't seal non-living things then it would not have sealed the body of the Shinobi hosting Edo-Tensei Nagato's soul.​

 

[Blackdeath667]

I did say to an advantageous extent; it would be out of character for Itachi to spend his chakra fueling Amaterasu to disperse the entire mist; it's unnecessary. The jutsu itself takes place quite gradually as the user has to force fore chakra into it in order to make the air more potent with water molecules. The bunshin will reach Itachi and Sasori before Kisame's mist which is being done from several meters in the air.
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The jutsu is caused due to tiny droplets of water mingled with the users chakra being suspended in the air affecting visibility at ground level and thus Amaterasu will burn the fog and it's heat will evaporate the droplets dispersing the jutsu. Itach

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and they're unaffected by the slowly incoming mist. When those clones begin to perform hand seals, Itachi coats Sasori's Iron sand pellets (which are physically configured as dildo's) with amaterasu and they are fired at supersonic speeds into the Mizu bunshin's mouth's as they are about to perform the jutsu. As amaterasu's heat can disperse the mist, it can be used in conjunction with Iron sands properties to spread heat throughout vast areas of the location.
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damn

this makes it even more of a stomp for team one lol

 

[Waltz]

Solid point, but there is no reason to believe that Sasori's supply of poison gas will come even remotely close to rivaling the amount of mist Kisame can emit. It will be released, and then eventually dispersed into nothing... Especially when we factor in Deidara's clay explosions, which would be even more effective then Sakura's explosive tag [

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]. All this, and in addition to the fact that the real Kisame and Deidara wouldn't be flying within the oppositions vicinity because, A) Full intel makes them fully aware of the poison gas possibility, B) Letting off C4 within the mist would be a logical strategy and a priority, and C) Kisame will know of their exact location granted Samehada's sensing capabilites. And I do not see how Mizu Bunshins (composed of water and chakra) will be effected by the poison gas, assuming it even reaches them. Also, any explosion or effort to disperse Kisame's mist is ultimately futile. Neither Itachi or Sasori are contesting him in chakra capacity; he'd simply emit more.

Susano'o will always be trumped by GSB, so that is hardily a factor in this fight. Unless you'd want to argue that Itachi maintains a V4 Susano'o equipped with Yata Mirror throughout the entire duration..? In which case, is still futile when we factor in the mist, full intel, and Samehadas sensing. An undetected C4 would GG Itachi at any moment his susano'o is not activated. An undetected C3 (enhanced with Kisame's chakra) being dropped on the team more then likely GG's them as well. Your previous strategy hardly takes anything Kisame and Deidara have to offer into consideration, and is even less viable under the Hidden Mist conditions. Totsuka Blades databook description makes it quite clear that it only seals living entities within it's genjutsu.

So He'll be taking blind shots into the mist? Even if Kisame reveals the position of Itachi and Sasori to Deidara he still cannot see his Jutsu's location in the mist. The heat and shockwave from D's bombs will only aid to disperse the mist. Deidara would be defeating the purpose of Kisame's jutsu. Letting of C4 in the mist will never work. The Mist (which Itachi can clear with Amaterasu) is only advantageous to Kisame... even given the impossibility that C4 is dispersed before Itachi does so; the sharingan will see Deidara's chakra approaching within the fog of Kisame's charka----intel is full, so Susano'o shields. "Water and Chakra" aren't the only things which comprise the bunshin, they also have a form and are 'alive' which is supplied by Yoton's live giving energy: Poison gas will work. Totsuka seals GSB. ​

 

[Waltz]

Totsuka Blades databook description makes it quite clear that it only seals living entities within it's genjutsu.

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That's a false notion that '"Totsuka only seals souls"'. The databook states that the katana is saturated with sealing jutsu but the souls which are sealed are placed under Genjutsu for eternity and likewise sealed away. Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu was a manifestation of his Chakra yet it was sealed within the sword and, Nagato's soul was attached to a host; just as Orochimaru's Yamata. Neither the 'dead host' or the 'Hydra' possessed souls yet they were sealed. An example of a Jutsu that only seals souls would be the Shiki Fujin.​

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[Apêx1]

I did say to an advantageous extent; it would be out of character for Itachi to spend his chakra fueling Amaterasu to disperse the entire mist; it's unnecessary. The jutsu itself takes place quite gradually as the user has to force fore chakra into it in order to make the air more potent with water molecules. The bunshin will reach Itachi and Sasori before Kisame's mist which is being done from several meters in the air.
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The jutsu is caused due to tiny droplets of water mingled with the users chakra being suspended in the air affecting visibility at ground level and thus Amaterasu will burn the fog and it's heat will evaporate the droplets dispersing the jutsu. Itach

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and they're unaffected by the slowly incoming mist. When those clones begin to perform hand seals, Itachi coats Sasori's Iron sand pellets (which are physically configured as dildo's) with amaterasu and they are fired at supersonic speeds into the Mizu bunshin's mouth's as they are about to perform the jutsu. As amaterasu's heat can disperse the mist, it can be used in conjunction with Iron sands properties to spread heat throughout vast areas of the location.
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Hmm..Ignorance once again raises it's head. If Totsuka couldn't seal non-living things then it would not have sealed the body of the Shinobi hosting Edo-Tensei Nagato's soul.​

It all makes sense until you remember the soul of Nagato was inserted into an alive body. Nagato might be dead, but his undying soul could be placed into a living body making the body vulnerable to Totsuka. Your point is baseless.

 

[Waltz]

The body and soul are separate entities as portrayed

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in the manga. Once your soul is removed, you die. A body without a soul is dead and even when being manipulated as a receptacle by a different soul the body cannot be destroyed and the soul within feels no pain from physical harm; that is not the function of a 'living' body because it is not living. We have already seen via the Shiki Fujin that the soul of an Edo Tensei can be sealed separately to the body; how ever this isn't the dilemma with Totsuka. It seals both the soul, body and any non-living accessories attached to the body...why? Totsuka seals anything it pierces because it's blade is imbued with sealing jutsu; so if it pierces the body it seals everything that goes along with it. ​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Yeah Kisame wins. Daikodan eats Totsuka whilst Ki and dei chill in the waterdome

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If we're going off of manga facts here, I fail to see how Kisame loses. He has no weakness Team 1 can exploit. No need to go any further past this.

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[Rιver]

If we're going off of manga facts here, I fail to see how Kisame loses. He has no weakness Team 1 can exploit. No need to go any further past this.

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Sasori still has his Satetsu to destroy him.

 

[Apêx1]

The body and soul are separate entities as portrayed

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in the manga. Once your soul is removed, you die. A body without a soul is dead and even when being manipulated as a receptacle by a different soul the body cannot be destroyed and the soul within feels no pain from physical harm; that is not the function of a 'living' body because it is not living. We have already seen via the Shiki Fujin that the soul of an Edo Tensei can be sealed separately to the body; how ever this isn't the dilemma with Totsuka. It seals both the soul, body and any non-living accessories attached to the body...why? Totsuka seals anything it pierces because it's blade is imbued with sealing jutsu; so if it pierces the body it seals everything that goes along with it. ​

You're beating around the bush. A living body is used for edo tensei. Whatever else you mention; healing, chakra, etc. is secondary to the fact that a living body is required for Edo Tensei to work. That is what totsuka pierced.

 

[Waltz]

Fair enough; however what is written in the databook on Totsuka still remains as it is supported by Cannon. Previously you said this: ​

Nagato might be dead, but his undying soul could be placed into a living body making the body vulnerable to Totsuka.

Clarify. My understanding is that you think Totsuka would not have been able to do so if Nagato's soul (or any for that matter) was not attached to the targeted body when from a factual point of view vulnerability was always a factor.​

 

[DrProof]

Kisame/Deidara prob win if you think about it FT. but idek.

 

[Transcendence]

I did say to an advantageous extent; it would be out of character for Itachi to spend his chakra fueling Amaterasu to disperse the entire mist; it's unnecessary. The jutsu itself takes place quite gradually as the user has to force fore chakra into it in order to make the air more potent with water molecules. The bunshin will reach Itachi and Sasori before Kisame's mist which is being done from several meters in the air.
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The jutsu is caused due to tiny droplets of water mingled with the users chakra being suspended in the air affecting visibility at ground level and thus Amaterasu will burn the fog and it's heat will evaporate the droplets dispersing the jutsu. Itach

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and they're unaffected by the slowly incoming mist. When those clones begin to perform hand seals, Itachi coats Sasori's Iron sand pellets (which are physically configured as dildo's) with amaterasu and they are fired at supersonic speeds into the Mizu bunshin's mouth's as they are about to perform the jutsu. As amaterasu's heat can disperse the mist, it can be used in conjunction with Iron sands properties to spread heat throughout vast areas of the location.
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Hmm..Ignorance once again raises it's head. If Totsuka couldn't seal non-living things then it would not have sealed the body of the Shinobi hosting Edo-Tensei Nagato's soul.​

If I may interject between what you guys are saying; your Edo Tensei argument doesn't really apply. The sword pierced the host of Nagato's soul, as Edo Tensei is used with a human sacrifice to which the soul of the person being revived is placed in. He was still sealed and the body wilted away like every other Edo Tensei does once the soul is released.

Carry on though.