itachi and sasuke vs jiriya and naruto

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sorry but my english is bad(from holland)

itachi vs jiraya, itachi would win only with Susanno,because the spirit weapons.the sword of totsuka would seal him probably and with the shield he is invincible.Zetsu said so.but jiraya is a smart guy he would find some way to break susanno.then itachi comes with amateratsu and the battle is over.

naruto vs sasuke,naruto would win.two rasan shurikens will make a hole in susanno then with tailed beast mode he will win against susanno.and amateratsu is not fast enough to keep up with naruto.but with his new eyes,i think he has a new trick on his sleeve and naruto gets in problems.maby it is time space even as madara it seems as a eye technique
 

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wow, very exciting, unfortunately in Indonesia is very difficult to follow the story of naruto, I've been wanting to see a continuation of the story of naruto, and I seem to lag very far away. read the discussion you guys seem very exciting.
 

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wow, very exciting, unfortunately in Indonesia is very difficult to follow the story of naruto, I've been wanting to see a continuation of the story of naruto, and I seem to lag very far away. read the discussion you guys seem very exciting.
that's what base is for
 

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Naruto and Jiraiya probably have a great Chemistry going since they have both trained a decent amount together. Sasuke and Itachi have not although Sasuke seemed to be reading Itachi well when he fought him. Unless its Tsukiyomi, Genjutsu wouldn't really be helpful since there are multiple people and it takes about a split second to force chakra into your partner. Sasuke's Tsukiyomi Sucks. Itachi's is REALLY OP but he needs to look into the user's eyes.
Naruto vs Sasuke:
If we leave Kyuubi Mode and EMS mode out (we should since we don't know their power really), Sage mode surpasses MS before the Susano was complete but with Susano complete they might be similar in strength. Sage mode makes Naruto better at Taijutsu (frog fu). Sharingan predicts trajectory but forg fu doesn't have to make contact to have impact. Expanding throwing Rasen Shuriken (i'd like to believe) is better than Raikage's punch (which broke susano) so it might be able to Break the Susano. Susano's weapon so far has seemed really lame since its got no sealing thing like Itachi's. Sasuke's Amaterasu control wouldn't protect him against a Rasen Shuriken since he won't make any contact with Naruto although it would become bigger and meaner because blaze style would feed on the wind. Also a susano can't really 'dodge' the Rasen Shuriken if Pain couldn't. Naruto is decently quick so he might be able to dodge the Amaterasu since sasuke can't sustain it for long ( ). Naruto's skill with Kage Bunshin is unparalleled and In sage mode even each one of his Taju Kage bunshins can have a chou rasengan (as seen against kyuubi). Sasuke would be screwed. In sasuke's defense, I think his summon (the hawk) could be a pretty troublesome thing for Naruto. The only way I see Naruto getting to the Hawk was the Clone throwing him around (which he has been doing since Gaara arc in Naruto). Frogs suck against flying summons (as seen in the pain arc) but Gamabunta can do a Water style jutsu and Naruto has wind which in Sync with water will destroy sasuke's fire jutsu since wind's weakness to fire will be nulled. Although harem no jutsu won't work on Sasuke since he is gay (he doesn't do it with Sakura or Karin or Ino), Konoha's secret hidden Taijutsu Sennin Goroshi is bound to **** him up pretty bad (as happened to Gaara).
-Naruto Wins


Jiraiya vs Itachi:
Its already been mentioned how Itachi said that Itachi+Kisame could only hold Jiraiya in a stalemate so i am thinking Itachi can't be that much stronger than Jiraiya individually.
Jiraiya's biggest disadvantage would be his speed. Itachi has got do be much faster. Speed can cost him not being able to dodge Amaterasu and that would probably be the end. (That being said, i don't remember ever seeing Itachi 'dodge' anything) So its all a question of whether the Amaterasu hits. Susano isn't going to do shit because (a) Totsuka sword moves pretty slow. Sasuke didn't dodge it because he couldn't move since he was exhaused. I did say jiraiya was slow but he can't possibly not dodge that or he wouldn't be a sannin. It would be interesting to know if Chou Odama Rasengan can break the susano. If it can't, all Jiraiya has to do is outlast the susano. Eventually it will take a toll on Itachi's eyes and then it will be too easy to beat him. So i think all the Totsuka advantage is pretty lame. Totsuka only hit Orochimaru and thats because he was a GIANT 8 HEADED SERPANT. Jiraiya has Earth and Fire Techniques. Doton: Doryu Hiki or Earth wall has always been shown to pop up REALLY quick. It might be his only defense against an amaterasu. Jiraiya should use summoning technique twice and let both summons buy time for him while he goes Senni Mode. As far as Tsukiyomi is concerned, not looking is not that much of a disadvantage since He can use the Barrier technique so as to feel Itachi's every movement and so he would know what itachi was upto. If he was in Senni Mode (I think he should be only because we are comparing all these characters in their prime so far) then he would have no trouble with genjutsu and old lady frog shima would beat the shit out of Itachi (like she did to the Chameleon). I think MS aside, Jiraiya would beat Itachi all to easily because he would have earth and fire types from himself, water from shima and toad oil to enhance fire. A rather crude way to not get hit by the amaterasu would be to cast a ninjutsu towards it. We saw sasuke dodge it when his goukakyuu was still going. As far as Jiraiya vs Itachi is concerned it really seems to come down to how much time Jiraiya lasts. If itachi is unable to strike him with the Amaterasu, its game over (To know why, check out Itachi's stamina in the 3rd databook released...2.5 compared to 5 for jiraiya).
 

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JMAN and Naruto Will Pawn Itachi And eerrr what his name again oh yh Sasugay
Jman would not get caught in genjustu since ma and pa would prevent it if hes in sage mode also youre forgetting that when jman was alive there were TONS of uchihas so hes mostprobably fought a decent amount of them and will knw how to win and if naruto could get that kyubi pet of his to cooperate with him properly he would not have a problem with genjustu at all infact he could simply flash about using rikudo mode pissing off sasuke and making him spam amuratsu untill he gets tired lol so that only leaves Sasuaono and fire techs chidori kirin and whatever new techs u get from EMS left Futon rasengan alone could most probably pwn most of sasuno(untill he pours tons of chakra and gets the full sasuno suit thingy) let alone Futon Rasensuirken and im not even going to mention The TBB chidori would lose to a normal rasengan and kirin would be overpowerd but a futon rasensuirken the only way theyd win is through izanagi and if minato and madara is thrown into the mix naruto could just create a Rasensuirken and minato could just teleport it to the enemy if it misses or minato could create a normal rasengan naruto could add his wind affinity to it (making a futon rasengan in minatos hand or a rasensuiriken if he could throw it) minato throws a kunai towards them he teleports dashes the rasengan or meeles them with it and teleports back a few yards now obviously madara wont fall for the same trick twice so he will dodge both the kunai and the rasengan and naruto simple uses TBB on him when he solidifes to try n kill his dad minato then uses space time barrier justu and warps the whole exsplosion and madara away while Jman sit back with some soda peeping into the womens Bathing spa
 

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Wow, at least we have someone who an actually state his opinion nicely and accurately. You have all my appreciation.
oh and my previous post is what? a flying chicken? but yes he is one of those few who can actually argue properly.

mookyuzamaki you need to cool down your head a little. MilleniumStorm4 the same for you. both of you can argue normally doesn't need to call the others noob.

back to topic. let's see the mere facts.

amaterasu:
can be activate in a second AND in that second it's affected it's target. can be dodged IF you are aware of it and fast enough. puts the user under a big stress.

susano'o:
don't need much time to activate. an incomplete susano'o can defend you from a lot of attacks not to mention if it's completed. puts the user under a big stress too.

itachi's susano'o:
it's a completed close range fighter with that sword and shield. maybe it's the best defense we know yet.

sasuke's susano'o:
dunno if he completed it or not, but it's a middle and long range fighter thing. it can be fast enough to do really dangerous attacks. (as we saw already when he fought against danzo and against kakashi)

genjutsu:
itachi mastered it and sasuke using it well too. you can use it in an instant and all you need is eye contact.

sage mode:
gives you speed and strengh and you became immune to genjutsu.

jirayia's sage mode:
incomplete and too slow to activate. remember he needed to summon a toad warrior to defend him while he was activating it.

naruto's sage mode:
completed. can be activate in a second. let naruto use his ultimate offense ability. (throwing rasen shuriken)

fox cloak:
if i remember correctly naruto only using it when he lose his control and let the fox leading him.

so6p mode:
naruto can activate it freely, grants him incredible speed and strength.

summonings:
naruto and jirayia: summons toads.
sasuke: summons hawk.
itachi: dunno
itachi and sasuke: can summon weapons freely. (remember the part when they fought)

now these were the facts, lets see some other facts.

itachi only using susano'o when he hasn't any other options (because of his health and it's his trumph card)
jirayia using sage mode when he hasn't any other options (trumph card too)
sasuke uses amaterasu AND susano'o with a combine attack and defense what makes him exhausted but at the same time he become very dangerous.
naruto dunno. we never seen how he uses his new mode. in his sage mode he is really strong.

now lets see the possible battle. if you face with someone you won't use your ultimate attack/defense right after the first minute and it goes for the same the jirayia/naruto and sasuke/itachi teams. REMEMBER it's just a fiction!!!!!!!!

they are standing on middle range. the fight started. naruto uses his sage mode and made shadow clones to do some rasengan spamming. ( xd ) jirayia following him (ha hasn't other option) and trying to backup naruto. uchiha team standing still, waiting for the moment. sasuke activates chidori charging at naruto, ithachi uses his strongest genjutsu on jirayia (and no he can't break it, remember, kakashi couldn't break it in the village). now naruto is alone, facing with sasuke's chidori. paw paw and BOOOOOM, making some taijutsu and weapon training and withdraw from fight. now naruto realizing jirayia's in a genjutsu and run toward to him to help. sasuke doesn't let it be, activating amaterasu. naruto can't dodge it his clothes get burned so he has to take off it. now he making tons of clones whose are charging at the uchihas while he frees jirayia. itachi start some sharpshooter training and fireball spamming with a little taijutsu, sasuke spamming amaterasu. at that moment jirayia exhausted because of the genjutsu, and sasuke too because of the amaterasu spamming. jirayia summons a toad to protect him and activate his sage mode, and naruto too. (2 toads, naruto, jirayia vs 2 uchiha) uchiha team doesn't let it double amaterasu (-2 toads, they can't dodge it). naruto goes so6p mode, flames everywhere jirayia is in great danger. sasuke activates susano'o and aiming at jirayia. naruto doesn't let it attacks sasuke but no way sasuke uses his amaterasu on susano'o, naruto can't hit him directly. sasuke shoots at jirayia, but he dodge it and almost caught in fire. now this is the best time for itachi to attack, some fireball training, little genjutsu and other stuffs. to protect his sensei naruto attacks itachi, but at the same time sasuke attacking jirayia with susano'o. flames everywhere no way he can dodge it anymore. itachi activates susano'o against naruto. another paw paw BOOM, but he doesn't see jirayia and itachi doesn't let him go. now sasuke uses genjutsu on jirayia and at the same time shooting at him with susano'o. jirayia dies. naruto is now alone and facing with 2 susano'o and flames everywhere... you can imagine the rest.

my vote is on uchihas but if naruto only using his sage mode with rasen shuriken, it can be a different fight. a more different fight with an another ending.
 

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Naruto and Jiraiya probably have a great Chemistry going since they have both trained a decent amount together. Sasuke and Itachi have not although Sasuke seemed to be reading Itachi well when he fought him. Unless its Tsukiyomi, Genjutsu wouldn't really be helpful since there are multiple people and it takes about a split second to force chakra into your partner. Sasuke's Tsukiyomi Sucks. Itachi's is REALLY OP but he needs to look into the user's eyes.
Naruto vs Sasuke:
If we leave Kyuubi Mode and EMS mode out (we should since we don't know their power really), Sage mode surpasses MS before the Susano was complete but with Susano complete they might be similar in strength. Sage mode makes Naruto better at Taijutsu (frog fu). Sharingan predicts trajectory but forg fu doesn't have to make contact to have impact. Expanding throwing Rasen Shuriken (i'd like to believe) is better than Raikage's punch (which broke susano) so it might be able to Break the Susano. Susano's weapon so far has seemed really lame since its got no sealing thing like Itachi's. Sasuke's Amaterasu control wouldn't protect him against a Rasen Shuriken since he won't make any contact with Naruto although it would become bigger and meaner because blaze style would feed on the wind. Also a susano can't really 'dodge' the Rasen Shuriken if Pain couldn't. Naruto is decently quick so he might be able to dodge the Amaterasu since sasuke can't sustain it for long ( ). Naruto's skill with Kage Bunshin is unparalleled and In sage mode even each one of his Taju Kage bunshins can have a chou rasengan (as seen against kyuubi). Sasuke would be screwed. In sasuke's defense, I think his summon (the hawk) could be a pretty troublesome thing for Naruto. The only way I see Naruto getting to the Hawk was the Clone throwing him around (which he has been doing since Gaara arc in Naruto). Frogs suck against flying summons (as seen in the pain arc) but Gamabunta can do a Water style jutsu and Naruto has wind which in Sync with water will destroy sasuke's fire jutsu since wind's weakness to fire will be nulled. Although harem no jutsu won't work on Sasuke since he is gay (he doesn't do it with Sakura or Karin or Ino), Konoha's secret hidden Taijutsu Sennin Goroshi is bound to **** him up pretty bad (as happened to Gaara).
-Naruto Wins


Jiraiya vs Itachi:
Its already been mentioned how Itachi said that Itachi+Kisame could only hold Jiraiya in a stalemate so i am thinking Itachi can't be that much stronger than Jiraiya individually.
Jiraiya's biggest disadvantage would be his speed. Itachi has got do be much faster. Speed can cost him not being able to dodge Amaterasu and that would probably be the end. (That being said, i don't remember ever seeing Itachi 'dodge' anything) So its all a question of whether the Amaterasu hits. Susano isn't going to do shit because (a) Totsuka sword moves pretty slow. Sasuke didn't dodge it because he couldn't move since he was exhaused. I did say jiraiya was slow but he can't possibly not dodge that or he wouldn't be a sannin. It would be interesting to know if Chou Odama Rasengan can break the susano. If it can't, all Jiraiya has to do is outlast the susano. Eventually it will take a toll on Itachi's eyes and then it will be too easy to beat him. So i think all the Totsuka advantage is pretty lame. Totsuka only hit Orochimaru and thats because he was a GIANT 8 HEADED SERPANT. Jiraiya has Earth and Fire Techniques. Doton: Doryu Hiki or Earth wall has always been shown to pop up REALLY quick. It might be his only defense against an amaterasu. Jiraiya should use summoning technique twice and let both summons buy time for him while he goes Senni Mode. As far as Tsukiyomi is concerned, not looking is not that much of a disadvantage since He can use the Barrier technique so as to feel Itachi's every movement and so he would know what itachi was upto. If he was in Senni Mode (I think he should be only because we are comparing all these characters in their prime so far) then he would have no trouble with genjutsu and old lady frog shima would beat the shit out of Itachi (like she did to the Chameleon). I think MS aside, Jiraiya would beat Itachi all to easily because he would have earth and fire types from himself, water from shima and toad oil to enhance fire. A rather crude way to not get hit by the amaterasu would be to cast a ninjutsu towards it. We saw sasuke dodge it when his goukakyuu was still going. As far as Jiraiya vs Itachi is concerned it really seems to come down to how much time Jiraiya lasts. If itachi is unable to strike him with the Amaterasu, its game over (To know why, check out Itachi's stamina in the 3rd databook released...2.5 compared to 5 for jiraiya).
ok ill give u the chemistry....but not the genjutsu part...yes it takes a split second to send chakra through somebody but will they really recognize that their partner is under genjutsu that quickly and be next to each other in a heated battle...genjutsu is never useless u forget that itachi doesnt need tsuikyomi...look at his fights vs diedara orochimaru and naruto...i dont need to explain as ive done in previous posts but none of those was MS...he used a regular genjutsu to obtain sannin orochimaru easily with his back turned...jiriya also said that he was a dud when it comes to genjutsu...and naruto clearly is too seeing how itachi catches him so easy...sasuke's tsuikyomi doesnt suck its just not good...but hes pretty good at genjustu actually...look at wat hid did to sai and the raikage's sensor bodyguard(i forgot his name)...dude was paralyzed even after he woke up lol...he doesnt suck its just that ppl wanna compare him to itachi bc they're brothers and forget that itachi may be the best we've ever seen when it comes to genjutsu...genjutsu is a big reason why i think they'll win bc of itachi's prowess in it...think about it he likes to end fights quickly right?...if he gets one of them its a wrap bc it quickly turns into 2 on 1...thats why i think they win...itachi will eliminate one of them quickly...itachi doesnt need to look in ur eyes lol...he can point at u and did oro with his back turned and mentioned to naruto he has more ways to do it....

frog fu is nice he kicked the shit out of a blocking pain so he definately has the strength...u should note that raikage's punch broke an inferior susanoo's ribs...not susano'o...rasenshuriken might break sasuke's not itachi's....ok so lets think about this...rasenshuriken vs susano'o....u do kno that he has to charge it while sasuke's arrow is almost instant....he's not gonna be able to throw it...let alone who would sit there and just let him make it?sasuke's susano'o is not lame because it cant seal lmao...so the speed of the arrow is lame? ok....
why would sasuke use ameratsu control vs rasenshuriken?....he would use ameratsu against it lol which burns wat ever he looks at in an instant...rasenshuriken has more power but id go with the speed because it would simply get there first...thats funny ur saying that naruto can dodge ameratsu but sasuke cant dodge rasenshuriken...when ameratsu is waaaay faster lol...naruto may be decently quick but sasuke has been portrayed as one of the fastest characters so how can naruto dodge and not sasuke???it doesnt matter how long he can sustain it either because he only needs one hit...its irrelevant...i dont remember the fight against the kyuubi that well so u might be right about it...ill check it out again later...as far as the summons naruto and jiraiya do clearly have the advantage there

on itachi's comment...he never intended to capture Naruto...jiraiya was the perfect excuse to up and leave...just like guy plus kisame advise him against using his eyes so many times in one day meaning b4 he used tsuikyomi on sasuke he had already been using it

he protects the leaf village from the inside of akatsuki he clearly never intended to catch naruto how is that even a question he used his MS as an excuse to tell kisame to run

do u need to see him dodge anything? his speed vs kakashi the copy ninja who really couldnt follow what he was doing should be enough on the guys speed...his foot and hand speed is tremendous...he brought out water clones that explode and kakashi only knew bc of his sharingan...the same with itachi's water drill tech(dont kno the name of it) where he showed shurikens in one hand...lol u couldnt even see the hand sign...he brings clones out without any1 noticing and has the speed to appear behind kakashi and kurenai without fail...as u seen against kakashi and sasuke his taijutsu is excellent...u say uve never seen him dodge but i say ive never seen him get touched expect for the fight against sasuke which he had already planned on losing...ok on to itachi's susano'o..
u say sasuke couldnt dodge it cause he was exahausted right? well itachi was near death yet he was walking towards him...meaning he can move with it...so who's to say he cant move at normal speed with it...its a spectral being so i really dont see how it weighs anything...it moves with him and protects him...also he can bring it up whenever he need at an instant as was shown how he was able to protect himself from karin...so wat if they are close up to each other and itachi just brings out susano'o?
he just gonna dodge it?...no variation of the rasengan is goin thro the yata mirror....about outlasting the susano'o do u think itachi would use it so recklessly?...maybe sasuke but itachi? yall make it seem like itachi would just use it while jiraya sits back and waste his energy...what did he do against karin? use it just enough to block it right?...thats how he'd use it not carelessly...earth wall is really quick but there is no defense against ameratsu unless u take itachi's eyes out lol...the barrier tech is nice as well as his summons but all he has to do is point or watever and catch jiraya he doesnt need tsukyomi....u cant dodge ameratsu unless u are immensly fast like raikage...he missed sasuke on purpose to let him kno wat he was doin so he can defend...u cant defend something that ignites what u are lookin at..since u wanna compare data books u should also note that they are tied at 35.5...jiraya only has advantages in str and stamina...itachi has speed genjutsu intellegence and hand seals...they are tied in ninjutsu...dont just note jiraya's 1 advantage lol ....ur right tho if jiraya lasts long enough he wins...but this aint sasuke itachi is not just gonna spam stuff retardedly...i doubt jiraya can get away from itachi's vast and powerful methods of genjutsu which is why i believe he wins...i can see jiraya winning tho just not as easy as some ppl think just because he took out three pains
 

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Who says sasuke could beat naruto in taijutsu any more your underestimating sage mode and the damage he can handle in it if fall off a mountain in sage mode doesn't hurt at all what makes you think sasuke's punches will hurt any more then that
This argument is too funny to even debate against. I'm not underestimating sm, you're over estimating sm and underestimating the power sasuke could muster using his current techs and lees high speed jutsu
 
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