itachi and sasuke vs jiriya and naruto
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That separate being breaks the illusion by disturbing the chakra of his host, just like Sakura and Chiyo did to Naruto when Itachi trapped him in his illusion. Thing is, Naruto dont have to rely on Kyuubis help, becuase he can fuse its chakra with his own by himself.
blackbird31468
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naruto has no skill with disturbing his chakra flow and breaking the genjutsu. just because you can fuse your chakra with someone elses doens't mean you attomatically become at genius a breaking genjutsus. and if naruto can't use his own chakra to break a genjutsu then what difference would it make by haveing someone elses
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It would be a very close fight. This fight would have to take place before itachi gave sasuke his eyes. So no MS for sasuke or SM for naruto.
Itachi's genjitsu would dominate the battle since both Jiraya and Naruto have no real techniques to defend against for this attack. The other big disavantage for Naruto/jiraya is that it is confirmed that sasuke can suppress the foxes influence. So naruto will not have the foxes power to back him up. However the biggest factor on the Uchia team is time and chakra supply. The only stragity that might work for N/J team is if Naruto kept both Itachi and Sasuke distracted so that jiraya could summon the two toad sages to fuse to jiraya OR have N/J use extremely powerful techniques that force itachi to use his MS constantly and sasuke to waste his chakra to down to nothing. Only problem is what to do with Oro after sasuke can't suppress him any more...
Itachi's genjitsu would dominate the battle since both Jiraya and Naruto have no real techniques to defend against for this attack. The other big disavantage for Naruto/jiraya is that it is confirmed that sasuke can suppress the foxes influence. So naruto will not have the foxes power to back him up. However the biggest factor on the Uchia team is time and chakra supply. The only stragity that might work for N/J team is if Naruto kept both Itachi and Sasuke distracted so that jiraya could summon the two toad sages to fuse to jiraya OR have N/J use extremely powerful techniques that force itachi to use his MS constantly and sasuke to waste his chakra to down to nothing. Only problem is what to do with Oro after sasuke can't suppress him any more...
Actually he was able not to be put to sleep when he did meet Itachi and with Kakashi's training he could use his shadow clones to force chakra into the original to break illusions. Im not saying that this would happen and that naruto is some genius at breaking genjitsu... all im saying that it is in the realm of possibilitynaruto has no skill with disturbing his chakra flow and breaking the genjutsu. just because you can fuse your chakra with someone elses doens't mean you attomatically become at genius a breaking genjutsus. and if naruto can't use his own chakra to break a genjutsu then what difference would it make by haveing someone elses
You dont uderstand. Naruto dont have to has skill with chakra disturbing, its distirbing by itself when hes mixing it. Look at it like that: when you spill water from first bucket to second, you dont have to additionaly shake the second bucket to disturb the water in it, its just happening by itself when you are spilling water. Its the same with Naruto now. Hes got Kyuubis chakra separeted from his own, so when his drawing it, its just like some other person was fusing his chakra with him, just like Sakura and Chiyo did when they freed Naruto from Itachis genjutsu.
illidanson
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Jiraya vs Itachi, even in Sage Mode Jiraya would't stand a chance against Itachi with Susanoo, cmon how the hell should he defeat him? Ninjutsu is almost useless against Susann'o and Genjutsu? Against Itachi the ultimate Genjutsu master? No way. Taijutsu? Yea he has some but enough to defeat Itachi with Susann'o? I don't think so. I think the only way to defeat Itachi with Susann'o is if you're fast enough to attack him from behind or if he runs out of chakra. Naruto vs Sasuke, we all know that either equals or else Naruto is strongest. But if it's 2v2 my guess is that Naruto and Jiraya will win because that they probaly have better teamwork, but if Naruto and Sasuke really are equals Sasuke and Itachi will win because that Itachi is so much stronger than Jiraya
blackbird31468
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naruto doesn't just break the genjutsu by mixing his chakra with the kyubis' he has to first stop the flow of chakra in his body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra, or a tailed beast can break their jinchuriki out of a genjutsu if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case. and if he is already in the kyubi mode then wouldn't it be dangerous to continually drain the kyubis' chakra?
Nope. There are two ways of escaping from genjutsu: stop chakra flow by yourself, or disturbing chakra flow by someone other. In the second case you dont have to stop flow in your body.
Naruto dont need that cooperation becuase he has control over Kyuubis chakra.
He can just realese a bit of Kyuubis chakra and then take it back, the effect will be completely identical as if somebody else was fusing his chakra with him.
Frozenstein
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Remember how A said that no one in the leaf could ever compete with him except Minato? I think that includes Itachi. Bringing up Itachi's speed is pointless as Naruto is just as fast as A is now. A was able to dodge Ameratsu at point blank range, so it's safe to assume that Naruto could do the same.
Itachi admitted that, even with Kisame as his back up, the best they can hope for was a stalemate with Jiraya. Jiraya is a sannin, so he must have some incredible power.
In addition, the use of their MS drains Itachi's and Sasuke's chakra incredibly. They would have to try and end the fight quickly if they could even hope to beat Jiraya and Naruto.
Naruto alone has massive chakra reserves, so he could go on fighting for a while, even without the Fox's chakra. So Naruto's chakra, plus Sage Mode Chakra, PLUS the Fox's chakra would beat MS.
P.S. Jiraya didn't go into Sage Mode to handle a Four-Tailed Naruto in the original Naruto series, so he won't need to go into Sage mode for the Uchihas. According to Bee, Genjutsu doesn't work on perfect Jinjuriki's like himself and Naruto. So Tsukyomi won't have much affect on Naruto. The only possible thing that might have an adverse affect on Naruto and Jiraya would be Susanoo. But, as A(who shares the same speed as Naruto) was able to dodge Sasuke's Susanoo's Arrows at point blank range, Naruto shouldn't have too much problem doing the same.
Itachi admitted that, even with Kisame as his back up, the best they can hope for was a stalemate with Jiraya. Jiraya is a sannin, so he must have some incredible power.
In addition, the use of their MS drains Itachi's and Sasuke's chakra incredibly. They would have to try and end the fight quickly if they could even hope to beat Jiraya and Naruto.
Naruto alone has massive chakra reserves, so he could go on fighting for a while, even without the Fox's chakra. So Naruto's chakra, plus Sage Mode Chakra, PLUS the Fox's chakra would beat MS.
P.S. Jiraya didn't go into Sage Mode to handle a Four-Tailed Naruto in the original Naruto series, so he won't need to go into Sage mode for the Uchihas. According to Bee, Genjutsu doesn't work on perfect Jinjuriki's like himself and Naruto. So Tsukyomi won't have much affect on Naruto. The only possible thing that might have an adverse affect on Naruto and Jiraya would be Susanoo. But, as A(who shares the same speed as Naruto) was able to dodge Sasuke's Susanoo's Arrows at point blank range, Naruto shouldn't have too much problem doing the same.
blackbird31468
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Naruto might have control over his chakra, but he still needs to relie on the 9-tails to snap him out of it. bee said that he needed 8-tails to break it not him mixing his chakra with the 8-tails, and bee has way more control over his tailed beast than naruto does.
MilleniumStorm4
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lol i sure am ur wack as fk u should reread all the comments for commenting lol...im not commenting on ur scrub ass...GTFO
Nope. Naruto dont have to rely on Kyuubi, becuase he can draw its chakta by himself. Drawing chakra means disturbing chakra flow, disturbing chakra flow means end of genjutsu.
Bee said that becuase unlike Naruto he dont have control over Hachibis chakra, he cant draw it by himself.
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<- Bee has to ask Hachibi for chakra its not like he can take it by himself.He never fought Itachi. Besides, Sasuke was competing with him.
He never said that in manga, only in anime. Therefore, those word are meaningless. Amd Itacji was devoted to Konoha, he didnt want to kill its strongest shinobi at that time.
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Frozenstein
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you're right in many things, but
1, Itachi destroyed his whole clan alone
2, i don't remember when jirayia could handle the 4-tailed naruto. he almost died at the time they were training. (if it's in the manga i apologize i only watched the anime at that time)
and yes the best option is to pull out somehow until the uchihas exhausting themselves.
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