Itachi: among top 5 or not

[DivineIllusion]

Yeah, but Itachi didnt attack Nagato directly. He just saved Naruto and Bee, why?
Cause he knows, that it would fail
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Nope, fail. The tailedbeastmode is that fast, you can hardly see it.
Remeber The Lariat against Kisame. Susanoo can punch fast but The only example is Danzou and he didnt even try to avoid it.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Of course Susanoo is faster. For example a punch:

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a super fast punch, I can't remember that Kirabi with his chakra mode is faster. Even if Nagatos reflexes are good enough to use his absorption, Totsukas sword can't still be absorbed.

If he uses absorbtion, Susanno is gone, no sword, no Mirror. If the belong to susanoo, they will maybe disappear maybe fell down.

 

[Raito]

What do you try to say? Susanoos punches are very fast, Sasukes arrows are very fast and hardly to dodge too. And yes, if Itachi doesn't undertake something, Nagato will come close to Itachi and absorb Susanoo. But Itachi will moving, one hit with the totsuka sword crush Nagato, the sword itself can't be absorbed, it isn't a Ninjutsu, and this sword is long enough to keep the distance to Nagato.

Besides Susanoo we have Amaterasu, which Nagato could repel from his body after he got hit.

Besides Susanoo and Amaterasu we have his powerful genjutsus, Itachias basic strength which he uses already and in the beginning of his fights.

Itachi catch his opponents already in the beginning of the battle in a genjutsu. When Nagato starts his attack or use Chibaku Tensei, it will be in an illusion.

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

Amaterasu is the way to avoid Chibaku Tensei.

Totsuka sword can seal the core as well before utilizing at it's fullest extent.(i.e. takes a lot of time) and Totsuka moves really fast.​

 

[DivineIllusion]

Stop the Genjutsushit until weve a proof, that it works. Maybe. not more
Amaterasu. Absorbed... Repelled or whatever.
ITACHI HAS JUST THREE MS USES IN A BATTLE (proof in part one(2 Tsukuyomi one Amaterasu) Sasukefight(Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu/Susanoo)
Nagato can use his abilties nearly to "eternalty"
Chibaku Tensei, still not beaten by Itachis hands and as long as you are crying that his genjutsu works, Amaterasu wont burn chibaku fast enough to destroy it

 

[DivineIllusion]

Totsuka sword can seal the core as well before utilizing at it's fullest extent.(i.e. takes a lot of time) and Totsuka moves really fast.​

??????
How does Itachi want to get his susanoo up there in the sky? I remembered Chibaku hanging maybe 1000 metres in the sky whe he used it against Kyuubi.
And until now the only things Totsuka absorbed where people right? (Oro was more a monster, but...)
How senseless is it to absorb chakra? with totsuka. Just a waste of Susanoouse and health

 

[Raito]

Stop the Genjutsushit until weve a proof, that it works.

Genjutsus affect every creature, human beings, animals and with the strength of the Sharingan even Bijus. The Sharingan can only see through Genjutsus because it has got the ability to do it. So what should be prove?

ITACHI HAS JUST THREE MS USES IN A BATTLE (proof in part one(2 Tsukuyomi one Amaterasu) Sasukefight(Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu/Susanoo)

No! Itachi was dead sick and was nevertheless able to use normal illusions, Tsukuyomi and 5 times Amaterasu (ask me for prove) and deleted Amaterasu one time, what is even harder than cast Amaterasu. After this he used Susanoo to repel Kirin and fight against Orochimaru. Finally he walked with his Susanoo to Sasuke and transplanted him his Amaterasu. Look at the chapters 550-552, Itachi used Amaterasu three times and Susanoo without getting tired.

as you are crying that his genjutsu works, Amaterasu wont burn chibaku fast enough to destroy it

Please stop this childish debate. It's obvious that Amaterasu will burn the core. The core is out of chakra, fact. Amaterasu burn anything, fact. Amaterasu arises in Itachis point of view and thus faster then the celestial tera sphere, fact.

Don't be so childish only because Itachi has the better cards in this fight.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Genjutsus affect every creature, human beings, animals and with the strength of the Sharingan even Bijus. The Sharingan can only see through Genjutsus because it has got the ability to do it. So what should be prove?

No! Itachi was dead sick and was nevertheless able to use normal illusions, Tsukuyomi and 5 times Amaterasu (ask me for prove) and deleted Amaterasu one time, what is even harder than cast Amaterasu. After this he used Susanoo to repel Kirin and fight against Orochimaru. Finally he walked with his Susanoo to Sasuke and transplanted him his Amaterasu. Look at the chapters 550-552, Itachi used Amaterasu three times and Susanoo without getting tired.


Please stop this childish debate. It's obviously that Amaterasu will burn the core. The core is out of chakra, fact. Amaterasu burn anything, fact. Amaterasu arises in Itachis point of view and thus faster then the celestial tera sphere, fact.

Don't be so childish only because Itachi has the better cards in this fight.

Maybe youre right, about his MS uses, but he has low stamina (databook) he always had. Thats no result of his illness.
Sharingans antigenjutsuabilties come from seeing chakra somebody uses to cast genjutsu. Also your own chakraflow is different if you are cought.
If you know, that somebody casts a genjutsu, its way more difficult to catch this person. Thats why genjutsu is not that effective.

Ill have to go now, but be shure Im back in one or two hours.


Itachi cant defeat NAGATO just think about it FAnboy Nr 1.

 

[Raito]

Chakra strength is a part of high stamina too, besides the chakra amount. According to the databook Kakashi has a stamina of 3, so higher than Itachi but reach his limit much faster. The reason is the chakra strength which Itachi has as an Uchiha. The result of the chakra strength is, that someone like an Uchiha can use techniques with a lower energy consumption than a normal Shinobi.

Nagato has a very strong chakra too, thats a reason for his stamina too.


Now I see finally that you Nagato fanboys definitely haven't decent arguments anymore.
Accept the power of the Uchihas .

 

[Hei]

i'm not sure in top 5 but in top 10 no doubts

 

[Raito]

Sharingans antigenjutsuabilties come from seeing chakra somebody uses to cast genjutsu. Also your own chakraflow is different if you are cought.
If you know, that somebody casts a genjutsu, its way more difficult to catch this person. Thats why genjutsu is not that effective.

No. The Sharingan can copy and see through Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu and all the other moves. It's not because the ability to see chakra. Otherwise Kakashi would be immune against Tsukuyomi and Itachis other genjutsus and Pain against the frog genjutsu as well. It's not a matter of seeing chakra, otherwise each doujutsu user would be immune against genjutsus. Ppl like Karin as well!

 

[SpiderRider89]

Itachi is def top five but he can't beat pain..... I don't see how it would be close to possible.

 

[Raito]

You want to debate?

Itachi is a mastermind, far smarter than Pain.
He has a good speed, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu.
He has powerful illusions, strong enough to finish with Kakashi, Orochimaru and Deidara.
He has Amaterasu - all in his point of view arises in indelibly flames.
He has Tsukuyomi - one eye to eye contact leaves you mental destroyed (in the case that he fight the last Pain.
He can use Susanoo, which is a perfect attack and defense - Totsukas sword and yatas mirror not included.
He is in the possession of Totsukas sword and Yatas mirror, the ultimate weapons which makes you according to Zetsu invincible.

Itachi is to powerful, we "Fans" don't overrate him, it's obvious that Itachi is powerful, he's obviously on Nagatos level and in some opinions stronger .

Itachi has enough ways to beat Pain.

 

[Necron]

You want to debate?

Itachi is a mastermind, far smarter than Pain.
He has a good speed, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu.
He has powerful illusions, strong enough to finish with Kakashi, Orochimaru and Deidara.
He has Amaterasu - all in his point of view arises in indelibly flames.
He has Tsukuyomi - one eye to eye contact leaves you mental destroyed (in the case that he fight the last Pain.
He can use Susanoo, which is a perfect attack and defense - Totsukas sword and yatas mirror not included.
He is in the possession of Totsukas sword and Yatas mirror, the ultimate weapons which makes you according to Zetsu invincible.

Itachi is to powerful, we "Fans" don't overrate him, it's obvious that Itachi is powerful, he's obviously on Nagatos level and in some opinions stronger .

Itachi has enough ways to beat Pain.

I totally agree that he is at Nagato's level. And that is way above kage...
And, special to minato fanboys: Yes, he can beat the cr@p out of your precious minato, and have fun doing that. His base speed is 5, which is the highest grade, so base minato cannot be faster. And the FTG can't do sh*t to him, since he will just banish the kunais with Susano, before they even reach him. He sees everything in slow motion, so there's no way he won't notice a kunai going towards him for like 5 seconds (persiving it).

 

[Majora]

No. Why? There are more than 5ppl who can beat him(will beat him), even excluding the SO6P(and sons). Who are they? Well, Nagata, Madara, Tobi, 3'rd Raikage, Naruto(either SM/KM, will beat him), Sasuke(EMS only..), KillerBee(immune to genjutsu, wich is Itachis strongest power..), Sasori(puppte, immune to genjutsu, and can block amaterasu with iron sand), Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Jiraiya.. Now that was like 12 Shinobi who can beat him, excluding SO6P/sons.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

top 5!!! he was top 10 before we saw all the dead kages etc but now he is about 17th or so i mean 1.so6p 2.minato 3.tobi 4. madara 5. 3rd raikage 6.muu 7. hiruzen 8.2nd tsuchikage 9.nagato (healthy) 10.naruto 11.sasuke 12.bee 13.hashirama 14. jiraiya 15.A 16. ohnoki 17.itachi.... there you ****ing go uchiha fanboys disprove every1 of those who i rate above itachi and i may consider him top 5 material .....

 

[Itachilover94]

I really thought this thread would have died by now

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I totally agree that he is at Nagato's level. And that is way above kage...
And, special to minato fanboys: Yes, he can beat the cr@p out of your precious minato, and have fun doing that. His base speed is 5, which is the highest grade, so base minato cannot be faster. And the FTG can't do sh*t to him, since he will just banish the kunais with Susano, before they even reach him. He sees everything in slow motion, so there's no way he won't notice a kunai going towards him for like 5 seconds (persiving it).

yeah hes totally at nagatos level considering 7 vs 1 and the fact that he raped naruto + bee who i believe are slightly stronger along with itachi aswell... his chakra is that of a bijuus level , itachis is lower than kakashis , and ftg can , get a seal on him and susanoo is useless.....

 

[Itachilover94]

top 5!!! he was top 10 before we saw all the dead kages etc but now he is about 17th or so i mean 1.so6p 2.minato 3.tobi 4. madara 5. 3rd raikage 6.muu 7. hiruzen 8.2nd tsuchikage 9.nagato (healthy) 10.naruto 11.sasuke 12.bee 13.hashirama 14. jiraiya 15.A 16. ohnoki 17.itachi.... there you ****ing go uchiha fanboys disprove every1 of those who i rate above itachi and i may consider him top 5 material .....

If you can say Nagato healthy why can't you say Itachi healthy?

he was strong while he was sick but if he was healthy how do you think he may be?

I think Itachi and Nagato wouldbe neck to neck because both were not healthy yet both were strong so if Itachi is not #8 then he would be #10 on your list

 

[minatoisagod]

big itachi fan but yea u right not in the top 5 but top 10 of yea want see more of this shishui dude though since itachi looked up to him so much.