Is shisui>hashirama?

[Rafeal brown]

Of course it would work well against hashirama if he got caught i guess... but that doesn't make shisui stronger and hashirama will most likely win in a fight between the two...

 

[Minato fanboy]

no

 

[Faceless VoiD]

According to Uchiha Itachi; Shishui's KA is the strongest genjutsu amongst all, therefore this KA will beat Hashirama without further questions.

Ow, & what's next: Shishui > SOT6P, simply because of this KA? Both SOT6P & Hashirama wouldn't know that they were being controlled or that jutsu were already cast on both of them.

*Sigh* Uchiha Fanboyz are the best & they are using logical reasonings!

 

[ChiefHermit]

nope, hashi takes this

 

[stRunF]

He fought Madara's doujutsu, I don't see how he couldn't fight Shisui's.
Shortly said: no.

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

I agree but we actually dont know about those two. If hashirama doesn't have a jutsu to counter it, he's done.

 

[Blaze Release]

Noticed that nb like to hang onto one thing when there is nothing else to discuss. Anyway this is pointless because there is no right or wrong answer, only kishi can give us the answer.

To the people saying hashirama defeated madara therefore he can defeat shisui, i dont think you can grasp what the discussion is about, i dont even believe madara has KA. Also ask yourself, why wouldnt a genjutsu as supreme like KA work on hashirama. A genjutsu which has gotten so much hype and even got another master illusionist to be controlled. The same genjutsu that itachi was confident will be able to take control of sasuke with the ems.

This has nothing to do with uchiha fanboyism or whatever you call it. Hashirama is stronger than shisui but that isnt what we are discussion. The question is can KA work on him and whilst nobody knows the answer for sure, id go with the logical answer and say yes.

Also to the people who say KA hasnt killed anybody, it hasnt because that isnt what it has been used for so far in the manga. The way its been described in the manga, it can very well command an opponent to either commit suicide or not to attack their foe therefore they can just stand there and take hits.

There is a reason why kishi gave it a 10 year gap
A reason why danzo didnt have it against sasuke
A reason tobi wanted it for danzo to use his last strength to destroy it before he died
There is a reason why it got kabuto very excited
There is a reason why itachi purposely used amaterasu to totally incinerate it

Hashirama isnt a god. Just like how he can bleed and even die, KA will get the better of him

 

[Marv Odemwingie]

but it can only be used once in ten years

 

[Οdin]

but it can only be used once in ten years

Doesn't matter. If Shisui casts his genjutsu on Hashirama, then it's over for him. The same goes for Shisui; if Hashirama gets him with his Bringer-of-Darkness, then it's over for him.

 

[riar]

U maybe rite but only a few will agree wid u bcz Hashi defeated madara uchiha and acc. to evry1 madar is the most powerful uchiha

 

[Naruto cool]

I know sum thin countering ka shadow clone if he uses it at a shadow clone he loses an eye

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

I love it when you put two characters that we have never even seen in the manga up against each other... U_U We don't know anything about Shisui other than his genjutsu, and Hashirama has shown nothing other than his Mokuton and the fact that he defeated Madara. All you're trying to do is downgrade Hashirama by putting him up against Shisui, who knows if he has a counter for his genjutsu or not...

Last I checked that was one of the main reasons why NarutoBase was made

Noticed that nb like to hang onto one thing when there is nothing else to discuss. Anyway this is pointless because there is no right or wrong answer, only kishi can give us the answer.

To the people saying hashirama defeated madara therefore he can defeat shisui, i dont think you can grasp what the discussion is about, i dont even believe madara has KA. Also ask yourself, why wouldnt a genjutsu as supreme like KA work on hashirama. A genjutsu which has gotten so much hype and even got another master illusionist to be controlled. The same genjutsu that itachi was confident will be able to take control of sasuke with the ems.

This has nothing to do with uchiha fanboyism or whatever you call it. Hashirama is stronger than shisui but that isnt what we are discussion. The question is can KA work on him and whilst nobody knows the answer for sure, id go with the logical answer and say yes.

Also to the people who say KA hasnt killed anybody, it hasnt because that isnt what it has been used for so far in the manga. The way its been described in the manga, it can very well command an opponent to either commit suicide or not to attack their foe therefore they can just stand there and take hits.

There is a reason why kishi gave it a 10 year gap
A reason why danzo didnt have it against sasuke
A reason tobi wanted it for danzo to use his last strength to destroy it before he died
There is a reason why it got kabuto very excited
There is a reason why itachi purposely used amaterasu to totally incinerate it

Hashirama isnt a god. Just like how he can bleed and even die, KA will get the better of him

Again, your way of putting things into perspectives amazes me. +rep
One day I will pawn you in debating..... one day .....

 

[Blaze Release]

Again, your way of putting things into perspectives amazes me. +rep
One day I will pawn you in debating..... one day .....

Thanks but sometimes i just dont get nb, actually majority of the times.
People have been caught up in the latest chapters about hashirama so much so that you hear them say he can defeat another strong character like the 3rd raikage with ease. It seems common sense has now gone out of the window, yet the manga says he is mortal, he was human. He could bleed, he died. Is it not the same hashirama who's soul was summoned by orochimaru via edo tensei. The same hashirama who''s soul was ripped out and sealed using the Shiki Fujin. Why they believe hashirama is oblivious to certain techniques if not all is something i still cannot understand

 

[ThePieness]

If Shisui lands Kotoamatsukami then he wins, if he can't use it for whatever reason then Hashi wins.

 

[mas129]

People don't understand the concept of hax abilities. That is what KA is, you cannot fight against it. Hashirama is stronger than Shisui but with that move, the fight will be over in seconds, there is nothing we that can be done against it. As far as I am aware it doesn't require eye contact or something like that to use it.

The only counter I can think of is Izanagi but because KA affects you without you even realising it, you wouldn't even contemplate using Izanagi because whatever shisui decides for you, is what you will think you want to do.

People need to watch bleach and check out Aizen's ability which is pure hax that he was able to destroy so many high level opponents because his ability couldn't be countered by them.

 

[Οdin]

Thanks but sometimes i just dont get nb, actually majority of the times.
People have been caught up in the latest chapters about hashirama so much so that you hear them say he can defeat another strong character like the 3rd raikage with ease. It seems common sense has now gone out of the window, yet the manga says he is mortal, he was human. He could bleed, he died. Is it not the same hashirama who's soul was summoned by orochimaru via edo tensei. The same hashirama who''s soul was ripped out and sealed using the Shiki Fujin. Why they believe hashirama is oblivious to certain techniques if not all is something i still cannot understand

They get confused because of his advanced healing abilities. This fight can go either way, but since Hashirama's been so worshiped by Madara, they believe otherwise.

 

[johnny335704]

Shishui << Hashirama.

Any good shinobi will avoid eye contact to fight sharingan users
And
Hashirama is expert at that (with lots of experience with madara fights).

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

No way, why does everyone think these 1 hit uchiha moves will work on anybody. Every jutsu has a weakness and top class shinobi always have a way to counter top class moves like that that is why they are top class.

 

[Nupp]

The problem is we simply don't know enough about the 1st to answer this, he fought Madara for so long maybe he is somehow immune to genjutsu, maybe his regeneration just breaks it.

Or maybe he'd be owned easily like a regular ninja....

The only thing we can all 100% agree on is that the 3rd would own them both

 

[Blaze Release]

They get confused because of his advanced healing abilities. This fight can go either way, but since Hashirama's been so worshiped by Madara, they believe otherwise.

I just think people have mistook op opponents for gods. In fact the case with Itachi should be a precedent. Itachi had all the abilities which could state that KA shouldnt work on him yet it did.
He is an uchiha therefore he might get some immunity from it
He has the sharingan/ms will could further increase his immunity
He is a master illusionist which could further increase his immunity.

Even after all this, KA still got the better of him. An uchiha, with the ms and a master illusionist something that if the manga hasnt shown us that ka has gotten the better of itachi, people couldve used to state that itachi might be immune to the effects of KA, but we all know what happens next.