[Question] is luffy >>> rest of supernovas?

[OG sama]

Your only using speculation. You don't know anything about Law's reaction time. But we do know he is at least fast enough to react to Gear second and redirect it. Gear fourth isn't that much faster than gear second. In the fight against Doffy Luffy said that he needed the speed of 2nd and the power of third a few chapters before 4th was introduced. So it's not that strange to think that Law can also react to Gear 4th speed and switch Luffy out with an other object in his room.

Luffy IS an idiot, in any fight against a Devil fruit user he always struggled and tried to overpower. That won't work against Law. Vergo says hi.

Look at how Luffy fought Cracker, he knew how the fruit worked yet he tried beating the clones over and over again and had to be saved by Nami. Imagine Robin or Sanji fighting Cracker if they were on the same level as Luffy was, do you think they would try to beat Cracker the same way? I don't think so. Nami had the right idea.

What you're saying is unrealistic, Luffy blitz and beats Law ? Name one fight in One Piece with two fighters of similar strength that ended in a blitz and one sided victory.




Rank says nothing, it's dog shit. Besides you're saying it yourself Ex-rear admiral, means former, means he had time to grow.

No supernova beating Luffy based on Dressrosa ? The only Supernova on Dressrosa were Law and Zoro. I agree that 50% of those supernova won't beat Luffy. Besides Capone you haven't seen anything from the other Supernova. So it's all baseless bullshit, but you're Mr. Akainu wank so I know who is typing this.

Why would Urouge be 2nd strongest based on feats ? What is strength ? Physical strength ? In the Supernova ranking ? Is it based on beating Snack ? How strong was Snack ? Not much feats to go off here yet you're pretty sure he is in second. Not third or first. Just second behind Luffy for some reason.

Drake pre-skip kicked a Pacifista through the air and into a building, was about to take him out until he got surprised by the Kizaru laser modification.

He had feats pre-skip that were better than the monster trio combined. He went into the NW on day one of the timeskip. He has been under Kaidou's flag for 2 years. But everyone here is downplaying Drake for some unknown reason.

If we're talking feats Drake has the best feats, no way around it. Also what a dumb and dull story line would the entire supernova subplot and rivalry be if Luffy was Number 1 from the timeskip. Makes no sense, there has to be growth, otherwise power levels wouldn't make sense to keep other supernova relevant towards the end of the series.

But we know for a fact G3's power isn't equal to G4, so using the same reasoning we can assume G2 isn't faster than G4. G2 never blitzed Doflamingo whereas G4 did multiple times so no G4s speed is >>G2s.

Yeah but he only acts like that in like round 1 of his fights, once he gets serious he doesn't fight recklessly like your saying. And he knows if he acts recklessly against Law he could lose his heart or his limbs he's seen Laws abilities enough to knows this. You act like you have never seen Luffy use his head in battles, you remember when Luffy was reluctant to attack Mihawk because he knew he would get his arms chopped off? Its the same thing here.

Could he have done anything else? What was he supposed to do? Luffy is a brawler, he doesn't have any hax or anything, it was either hold off the clones or get overpowered by them he didn't have a choice. Bringing up Robin and the others is irrelevant because they don't have the same abilities at all.

They aren't equal though so what do you mean? G4 is a power up that allowed Luffy to smack around someone much stronger than Law. So why wouldn't Law get blitzed?

X Drake could have been stronger pre skip but I don't see why that would need to be the case now. Luffys track record is much more impressive than any SN, not only did he beat Doflamingo but he beat a commander that's most likely stronger than the one Urouge beat. Not only that but Drake probably wouldn't dare trying to fight Jack who is probably the cracker equivalent of the beast pirates with higher endurance obviously. So no he isn't stronger than Luffy doing nothing, what has Drake accomplished?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy blitzed Doffy at points during their fight didn't he? And Doffy blitzed Law didn't he? There is a gap between Luffy and Law that would allow Luffy to blitz him but it'd need to be an ideal scenario and Luffy wouldn't use it right off the bat though. Luffy's skill set would win but Luffy's character wouldn't, if you put both of their skill sets in robots programmed to be the most efficient possible Luffy's bot would win the majority of the times I think.

 

[Love Cook]

But we know for a fact G3's power isn't equal to G4, so using the same reasoning we can assume G2 isn't faster than G4. G2 never blitzed Doflamingo whereas G4 did multiple times so no G4s speed is >>G2s.

Yeah but he only acts like that in like round 1 of his fights, once he gets serious he doesn't fight recklessly like your saying. And he knows if he acts recklessly against Law he could lose his heart or his limbs he's seen Laws abilities enough to knows this. You act like you have never seen Luffy use his head in battles, you remember when Luffy was reluctant to attack Mihawk because he knew he would get his arms chopped off? Its the same thing here.

Could he have done anything else? What was he supposed to do? Luffy is a brawler, he doesn't have any hax or anything, it was either hold off the clones or get overpowered by them he didn't have a choice. Bringing up Robin and the others is irrelevant because they don't have the same abilities at all.

They aren't equal though so what do you mean? G4 is a power up that allowed Luffy to smack around someone much stronger than Law. So why wouldn't Law get blitzed?

X Drake could have been stronger pre skip but I don't see why that would need to be the case now. Luffys track record is much more impressive than any SN, not only did he beat Doflamingo but he beat a commander that's most likely stronger than the one Urouge beat. Not only that but Drake probably wouldn't dare trying to fight Jack who is probably the cracker equivalent of the beast pirates with higher endurance obviously. So no he isn't stronger than Luffy doing nothing, what has Drake accomplished?

Yeah well bye, not going to reply in depth on this anymore.

I'm fine with having a discussion based on opinions or one on facts. But I'm done with the assumptions. Just read over those first 2 paragraphs again. I mean come on man, that makes no sense.

You completely missed the point on the cracker example, it was not about the fighting style. It was about the way of thinking and fighting in battle. Luffy only knows one way. Nami, Robin and Sanji always try to flip the tables with intelligence. Luffy just punches harder.

Your comparison with Luffy's "track record" compared to the other supernova's make no sense, because you haven't seen what they have been up to. So of course Luffy has better feats than the rest because he is in the spotlight 99% of the time. That also gives him better feats than Shanks and Garp. Is he stronger now ? no.

And the big cherry on top has to be this:

"Drake probably wouldn't dare trying to fight Jack who is probably the cracker equivalent of the beast pirates"

What even is this ? How should anyone respond to this.

You're just making stuff up for the sake of having arguments to back your nonsense up.

I'm fine if you would say I THINK Luffy is stronger. But stop writing fan fiction.

Opinion or facts, don't present your opinion as facts.

Luffy blitzed Doffy at points during their fight didn't he? And Doffy blitzed Law didn't he? There is a gap between Luffy and Law that would allow Luffy to blitz him but it'd need to be an ideal scenario and Luffy wouldn't use it right off the bat though. Luffy's skill set would win but Luffy's character wouldn't, if you put both of their skill sets in robots programmed to be the most efficient possible Luffy's bot would win the majority of the times I think.

Not saying no one can be blitzed, the phrase "blitz and beat" was used.

That is where I draw the line because if Oda would draw Luffy vs Law. do you think 2 characters of pretty equal strength would fight but one would just blitz and beat the other one ?

Oda would NEVER play a fight out like that. He might smack Doffy around for a bit, but that isn't the entirety of the fight. Doffy and every other opponent will always land hits. And if Law lands a hit it will be bad.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yeah well bye, not going to reply in depth on this anymore.

I'm fine with having a discussion based on opinions or one on facts. But I'm done with the assumptions. Just read over those first 2 paragraphs again. I mean come on man, that makes no sense.

You completely missed the point on the cracker example, it was not about the fighting style. It was about the way of thinking and fighting in battle. Luffy only knows one way. Nami, Robin and Sanji always try to flip the tables with intelligence. Luffy just punches harder.

Your comparison with Luffy's "trackrecord" compared to the other supernova's make no sense, because you haven't seen what they have been up to. So of course Luffy has better feats than the rest because he is in the spotlight 99% of the time. That also gives him better feats than Shanks and Garp. Is he stronger now ? no.

And the big cherry on top has to be this:

"Drake probably wouldn't dare trying to fight Jack who is probably the cracker equivalent of the beast pirates"

What even is this ? How should anyone respond to this.

You're just making stuff up for the sake of having arguments to back your nonsense up.

I'm fine if you would say I THINK Luffy is stronger. But stop writing fan fiction.

Opinion or facts, don't present your opinion as facts.

Jack is the Cracker of the Beast Pirates. This basically got confirmed in a photo of Oda's office where you could see a stack of papers with Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack written from top to bottom.

 

[Valhalla]

Well he's the main character of the entire series lol.


SO YEAH HE WILL ALWAYS END UP GREATER...

 

[OG sama]

Jack is the Cracker of the Beast Pirates. This basically got confirmed in a photo of Oda's office where you could see a stack of papers with Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack written from top to bottom.

Lol thanks for highlighting that Macho, he seems to think I'm stating everything I say as a fact when im really not. But yes Jack is in fact the Cracker of the beast pirates.

Jack is Kaidos 3rd strongest, Cracker is BM 3rd strongest, if the two crews were to battle(and they probably have many times in the past) these two would be fighting each other.

I'm glad at least you understand what I mean.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lol thanks for highlighting that Macho, he seems to think I'm stating everything I say as a fact when im really not. But yes Jack is in fact the Cracker of the beast pirates.

Jack is Kaidos 3rd strongest, Cracker is BM 3rd strongest, if the two crews were to battle(and they probably have many times in the past) these two would be fighting each other.

I'm glad at least you understand what I mean.

Thanks. And tbh, it should have been obvious by now, even without that photo of Oda's office, that Jack is the weakest Calamity.

Love Cook and a certain someone always need to be spoon fed information by Oda. Right after Katakuri got revealed, they were saying that we don't know if Katakuri, a SC with a 1.057 billion beri bounty, could beat Sanji.

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[Ace of the fire fist]

so guys where is zoro rank? most of one piece fans agree luffy extreme diffs zoro so if luffy is 1 where is zoro? I think he 3 after luffy and law. zoro > kidd drake and mad monk

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Thx. And tbh, it should have been obvious by now, even without that photo of Oda's office, that Jack is the weakest Calamity.

Love Cook and a certain someone always need to be spoon fed information by Oda. Right after Katakuri got revealed, they were saying that we don't know if Katakuri, a SC with a 1.057 billion beri bounty, could beat Sanji.

love cook really think that? i think he is more retard than i thought

 

[OG sama]

Thx. And tbh, it should have been obvious by now, even without that photo of Oda's office, that Jack is the weakest Calamity.

Love Cook and a certain someone always need to be spoon fed information by Oda. Right after Katakuri got revealed, they were saying that we don't know if Katakuri, a SC with a 1.057 billion beri bounty, could beat Sanji.

Lool exactly, *he* always acts like that too.

Its simple really.

Katakuri
Smoothie
Cracker

Marco
Jozu
Vista

King
Queen
Jack

You literally have Katakuri and Marco on the same level which makes perfect sense given both they're portrayal thus far and where we are in the manga so far. The rest needs no explanation.

This definitely isn't some coincidence.

 

[arv993]

so guys where is zoro rank? most of one piece fans agree luffy extreme diffs zoro so if luffy is 1 where is zoro? I think he 3 after luffy and law. zoro > kidd drake and mad monk

Gap between luffy and law isn't super close. Doffy vs law showed us where law is currently. Zoro is an unknown factor since he didn't go all out.

Thanks. And tbh, it should have been obvious by now, even without that photo of Oda's office, that Jack is the weakest Calamity.

Love Cook and a certain someone always need to be spoon fed information by Oda. Right after Katakuri got revealed, they were saying that we don't know if Katakuri, a SC with a 1.057 billion beri bounty, could beat Sanji.

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lol I forgot about that thread. There's too many ppl on this base who think just typing a lot in one post validates their nonesensical points.

 

[Love Cook]

Jack is the Cracker of the Beast Pirates. This basically got confirmed in a photo of Oda's office where you could see a stack of papers with Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack written from top to bottom.

Jack is the Cracker of the Beast Pirates. This basically got confirmed in a photo of Oda's office where you could see a stack of papers with Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack written from top to bottom.

Not the point dumbass.

Everyone knows the ranking, and the way characters are introduced. You don't start of with the strongest.

But the thing I was replying to to was full of assumption. There was assumption about, Drake's strength, about his motive, about Jack.

How on earth can you ever have a discussion on those grounds ? YOU CANT. no picture in any office will change that.

Lol thanks for highlighting that Macho, he seems to think I'm stating everything I say as a fact when im really not. But yes Jack is in fact the Cracker of the beast pirates.

Still not the point I was making. Try to read next time.

Love Cook and a certain someone always need to be spoon fed information by Oda. Right after Katakuri got revealed, they were saying that we don't know if Katakuri, a SC with a 1.057 billion beri bounty, could beat Sanji.

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You absolute cockwobble, complete moron, oblivious sack of shit.

It's no surprise that you don't understand my posts or One Piece subtext, if you think that my post in that thread was serious.

Read the 7th post in that thread, and tell me how wrong you are like "Ace of the fire fist" a.k.a bitch boy style.

brother im sorry. forgive me.

love cook really think that? i think he is more retard than i thought

Dude you know nothing about me and you calling me a retard ?

Guess I'm retarded for not making assumptions, or for crowning Luffy Pirate King half way through the series. You've contributed nothing to this section. You're a fucking double posting parasite that is out to derail threads with trolling attempts that are the weakest I've ever seen. And there have been bad trolls here. You add nothing to discussions, just standing on the sideline and spitting filth.

Let's see what other posts you have made, respectable human being.

So more along the same lines, in a thread about religion, the thing you bring to the table is:

IS is sponsor by usa everybody no this idiot. this was confirm by us intelligent agency. America kill they own people 9/11 was inside job

and also

Do own research and make you own mind up u blond donkey if plane crashed into building it wouldn't fall to it base like that.. that called CONTROLLED DEMOLITION it impossible for it base to drop way it did from plane crash.. American have lied in history to peddle agenda look at Vietnam war it was based on lie. U are government controlled dog 9/11 was a lie

and again in another thread for good measure.

9/11 was inside job everybody no this. rip to all innocent ppl who lost there life so usa can peddle they agenda

Some closing thoughts for us brother fire fist ?

i respect ur opinion brother but gay man give me creeps.

Great that will do.

Bye, you conspiracy theorist, homophobic, trolling, nutjob. You mean nothing. You add nothing and you spread shit, nobody is listening to you. Go into a rage and get yourself a nice little ban from the section.

 

[loj]

No...I doubt he is even so much stronger than Law if stronger at all.Also we know nothing about Drake X so I'll say he isn't.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Well right now Luffy grabbed Big mam's first mate for a one on one battle. If he somehow succeeds, then luffy will ascend from warlord level to the likes of a low admiral level. Only a first mate and above can beat 1 admiral in a one on one match.

> Warlord level lol

Mihawk is still >>> Luffy lol
Zoro curbed Pica with ease and still remarked he is nowhere near Mihawk

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[HashiraMadara]

Yes Law would beat Luffy because Luffy IS an idiot. He always struggles against Devil Fruits and tries to power through them. Law's fruit is the worst for that.

Do you believe Law is that weak that he can't get one hit in ?
Yes -> lol, not even going to discuss with you anymore.
No -> Luffy loses a bodypart

Besides Law is fast enough to react to Gear 2, has strong enough haki to hurt Vergo and Doffy. Can teleport Luffy from and to anywhere he wants within his room. has an enormous range.

Luffy as a close ranged fighter is at a huge disadvantage against someone who only needs to hit you with the swing of his sword that doesn't have to connect. No way Luffy can dodge all that and know all the tricks to Law's power.

LMAO

Mingo >>>>>>>>>> Law
Mingo >= Luffy

There you have it.

As idiotic as Luffy is he has plot brain like Goku. He notices fighting far quicker than others.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Not the point dumbass.

Everyone knows the ranking, and the way characters are introduced. You don't start of with the strongest.

But the thing I was replying to to was full of assumption. There was assumption about, Drake's strength, about his motive, about Jack.

How on earth can you ever have a discussion on those grounds ? YOU CANT. no picture in any office will change that.



Still not the point I was making. Try to read next time.



You absolute cockwobble, complete moron, oblivious sack of shit.

It's no surprise that you don't understand my posts or One Piece subtext, if you think that my post in that thread was serious.

Read the 7th post in that thread, and tell me how wrong you are like "Ace of the fire fist" a.k.a bitch boy style.







Dude you know nothing about me and you calling me a retard ?

Guess I'm retarded for not making assumptions, or for crowning Luffy Pirate King half way through the series. You've contributed nothing to this section. You're a fucking double posting parasite that is out to derail threads with trolling attempts that are the weakest I've ever seen. And there have been bad trolls here. You add nothing to discussions, just standing on the sideline and spitting filth.

Let's see what other posts you have made, respectable human being.

So more along the same lines, in a thread about religion, the thing you bring to the table is:



and also



and again in another thread for good measure.



Some closing thoughts for us brother fire fist ?



Great that will do.

Bye, you conspiracy theorist, homophobic, trolling, nutjob. You mean nothing. You add nothing and you spread shit, nobody is listening to you. Go into a rage and get yourself a nice little ban from the section.

everything i say was fact retard u think sanji > katakuri hahaha spoken like true retard

 

[Love Cook]

everything i say was fact retard u think sanji > katakuri hahaha spoken like true retard

I never said Sanji was stronger than Katakuri.

You've got nothing on me, homophobic conspiracy theorist. But keep calling other people retarded because you're too stupid to read. That is the true definition of intelligence right ?

Everything you say is a fact ? Does that include that 9/11 was an inside job and that you're disgusted by gay people ?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

The ability to turn those around him into an allies.

More like some serious people unknowingly catch on Luffy's drift.

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[Ace of the fire fist]

I never said Sanji was stronger than Katakuri.

You've got nothing on me, homophobic conspiracy theorist. But keep calling other people retarded because you're too stupid to read. That is the true definition of intelligence right ?

Everything you say is a fact ? Does that include that 9/11 was an inside job and that you're disgusted by gay people ?

9/11 was inside job blind ****** amrican have lied in past to create fake war why is so surprising to you? government do this all the time to peddle agenda uk did with Iraq also FAKE WAR.. just look at building collapse this cannot happen with plane the building collapse to its base exactly like controlled demolition.

sanji > katakuri hahahahahaha u are true idiot brother I feel sorry for you. i remember u saying there is no evidence katakuri > sanji don't lie u liar. u need to be spoonfeed info like 5 year old u cant make decision for yourself. u listen to all media outlet like blind donkey

 

[Love Cook]

9/11 was inside job blind ****** amrican have lied in past to create fake war why is so surprising to you? government do this all the time to peddle agenda uk did with Iraq also FAKE WAR.. just look at building collapse this cannot happen with plane the building collapse to its base exactly like controlled demolition.

sanji > katakuri hahahahahaha u are true idiot brother I feel sorry for you. i remember u saying there is no evidence katakuri > sanji don't lie u liar. u need to be spoonfeed info like 5 year old u cant make decision for yourself. u listen to all media outlet like blind donkey

Don't worry, my trolling, homophobic, conspiracy theorist friend. I'm not lying I will show you my evidence then you can show you yours where you think I'm lying.

I said this in reaction to this question:

What are your thoughts on these match ups?


Sanji vs Katakuri

Ichiji vs Katakuri

Sanji + Ichiji vs Katakuri

?​

Sanji has proven to be unpredictable. That skill against a fighter who can see the future for a bit means that Sanji can win this.

Sanji has greater destructive feats than throwing a jellybean really hard.

Sanji one shots this. Doesn't need Ichiji.

If you can't see the sarcasm, or the undertone here I feel pretty bad for you. It also makes it extra painful when you're on such a high horse that you keep calling my retarded while non of your arguments stick as a homophobic conspiracy theorist.

But for special people like you I made an extra post in that same thread to explain what I meant. So there is nothing left to guess. See how I even said "Written in the style true wankers can understand" because I already knew that dumb people like yourself would stick on it like flies on shit.

The only logical answer this thread will get. Written in the style true wankers can understand.

So this is a match-up between three characters. One of them is Sanji who we know for 20 years. That is fine. The other one is Sanji's brother who can look pretty annoyed and is genetically modified. And the third one is a fortune teller with jelly beans.

Nobody can tell you jack shit about this fight. Every prediction here will be based of a number. Which is Katakuri's bounty. What a weird way to predict and discuss a fight. And even in multiple scenario's.

My my my, I must be surrounded with people who all got amazing CoO haki and can look weeks into the future here. It's either that, or just another open sewer thread to make a shit match-up.

Thanks for the thumbs down guys, I knew that my troll net would at least catch some fat fish that don't understand sarcasm when they read it.

Predictable little moron, I think I have better CoO than Katakuri because I can write posts weeks in advance that still beat anything you're trying to slander me with.

Pretty embarrassing when your lies get swatted by an old post of mine. You could've at least come up with a better lie.