Can religious people win debates?
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as long as you have your head on and you're not doing something horrific like eating babies or vaping and actually have morals (don't kill, don't rape, don't intentionally harm one another) i don't really care if you have shitty arguments or not
no atheist or theist can objectively 'win' any argument because they've already formed their beliefs. whether it's rational or not is another story. the only chances of 'winning' are when you've completely persuaded one to take a second look at their own beliefs, but i don't even know if that happens. honestly most of these debates are highly subjective and there's no real 'truth' to it other than what appears true/objective to them so whatever works?
i'm sure religion teaches you different beliefs/emphasizes certain attitudes (be kind, be giving) but unless you follow the bible/what have you in the literal sense (which comes down entirely to your interpretation/semantics) i don't think it teaches what's already taught through social learning
as long as you have your head on and you're not doing something horrific like eating babies or vaping and actually have morals (don't kill, don't rape, don't intentionally harm one another) i don't really care if you have shitty arguments or not
no atheist or theist can objectively 'win' any argument because they've already formed their beliefs. whether it's rational or not is another story. the only chances of 'winning' are when you've completely persuaded one to take a second look at their own beliefs, but i don't even know if that happens. honestly most of these debates are highly subjective and there's no real 'truth' to it other than what appears true/objective to them so whatever works?
i'm sure religion teaches you different beliefs/emphasizes certain attitudes (be kind, be giving) but unless you follow the bible/what have you in the literal sense (which comes down entirely to your interpretation/semantics) i don't think it teaches what's already taught through social learning
1. We can go down the rabbit hole of what's truth to begin with?
2. Define religion. The concept of religion has corrupted the eastern traditions beyond repair at this point for the people here hardly look at their philosophical doctrines by removing the lens of western perspective.
3. You need to learn a little more about human nature and psychology.
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Depends on the topic. If their argumentation is used to represent the obvious fiction in religions like Islam or Catholicism as fact, they'll probably lose. :lol
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Just because most people don't have or know a rational basis to their belief doesn't mean there isn't one
OT I can only speak for me and I personally belief the basis of my beliefs is rooted in rationality
The way i see it about people viewing all religions are lies is one part kind of like belief aliens a statistical reason of they've seen so much wrong that they assume everything is
And they also have say everything false when you committed to your world view as a materialistic one where no living consciousness agency assume really exist in life and explain away and dismiss it then trying to understand
Also debates are toxic because it's about arguing your position no matter what instead of understanding so the merits of what's said not looked at
That's my views anyways
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Well if anyone did most people of any world view don't usually care to understand
This goes toward anytype of discussion of things that are serious or things matter people are on a side of the issue and firm on their position to understand other sides
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IS is sponsor by usa everybody no this idiot. this was confirm by us intelligent agency. America kill they own people 9/11 was inside jobThe IS says hi
devil cannot curse man who have faith in god. devil is mere pawn
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Just wanna let you know that I got the urge to correct you sentences grammatically. You're welcome.
Now to reply. *Takes deep breath*
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Your post is fuk and shit. You wanna know why it's fuk and shit? Because no matter what we say, the truth will never be revealed. Some people blame Islam. Later, some people blame America. Where's the truth? It got lost forever, so shut up and move on.
You need to then present evidences that religion is a lie, otherwise you're wasting my time. Now some religious teachings can have lies in it, which I agree with you, but the foundation of religious belief that God exists and is the creator of everything and anything is scientifically true. The foundation of atheistic belief is based on a lie. Now I'm not a scientist myself nor I'm knowledgeable about science, so I'm going to let scientists who devoted their lives to this career speak, as they know about science more than any atheist or religious person ever will.
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You don't want to believe in what scientists say, that's your opinion and you're free to believe it, but the basis of your opinion and atheism is a lie.
There is not a method that emphasises those values but only religion does. Is there an ideology that isn't religious teaches ethical concepts? None. Do you know that the so-called good people whom are atheists, were originally religious or were raised with religious values before they converted to atheism? So even the atheists who do moral and good deeds derive their actions from religious teachings.
So as I said before, every human civilization derive their success from religious teachings.
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I never said whether or not religion is a lie. You asked what do people mean when they say that, that's what I explained to you.
Gonna need some super duper sources on that.
My dude, do you think that scientists aren't religious and atheists? Like I said, drop that proof.
Feminism, altruism, egalitarianism, civil rights, common human decency.
These are things that can be, and have been, taught independently from religious teachings, so your rhetoric doesn't hold up.
I misunderstood you. Apologies.
Just gave a quote of a German physicist. You can look up the rest.
The best atheist scientists, Richard Darkwins loses to a theist mathematician in a debate:
[video=youtube;J0UIbd0eLxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw[/video]
All of these came from Judeo-Christian. Literally what defines Western civilization is the influence of Judeo-Christian teachings.
You've yet to name one civilization that is independent from religious influence.
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Do own research and make you own mind up u blond donkey if plane crashed into building it wouldn't fall to it base like that.. that called CONTROLLED DEMOLITION it impossible for it base to drop way it did from plane crash.. American have lied in history to peddle agenda look at Vietnam war it was based on lie. U are government controlled dog 9/11 was a lie
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Ironically enough, Quentin Smith, who is an atheist philosopher at Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, stated: "if each naturalist who does not specialize in philosophy of religion (i.e. Over ninety nine percent of naturalists) were locked into a room with theists who do specialize in philosophy of religion, and if the ensued debate were referred by a naturalist who has a specialization in the philosophy of religion... I expect that the most probable outcome is that the naturalist, wanting to be a fair and objective referee, would have to conclude that the theists definitely had the upper hand in every single argument or debate".
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Most people just stop arguing with them because they don't want to read walls of texts and write essays in response.
I will just give a hint about some of phrase were written here (I'm a Muslim)
Most people in this life are searching for the truth, some accepts it and some can't either found it or not accepting it for some reasons.
The most repeated phrase there is: Religion is considered as not logic and there's a conflict between religion and science or rationalism.
For such a statement, the answer is simple. If such a contradiction between science and religion exists, so that religion is a fake one.
The Holy Quran is ordering people to think, to use logic because this way is the only way you will find the truth.
Also, you must know that religion is principally to adjust our behavior.
To believe for sure, Quran is giving you the evidence that Islam is the truth (Maybe scientific evidence or things that we discovered later).
For many religions, you will find contradictions, but for the Holy Quran you will not. You just have to ask the right person about things you don't get it. To hear from everyone from different religions and their response, and then use your brain to find what is the truth.
For a debate, you should talk about the concepts, evidences, things you misunderstood, accusations.
The concept I mean: Is there a god or not ( I believe there's only one god)
The evidence: What evidence that god exists or not
Misunderstood: Things you may read and misunderstood it.
Accusations: Such as that saying Islam is ordering to kill people who are not believing in what you believe as it's totally wrong.
Most people in this life are searching for the truth, some accepts it and some can't either found it or not accepting it for some reasons.
The most repeated phrase there is: Religion is considered as not logic and there's a conflict between religion and science or rationalism.
For such a statement, the answer is simple. If such a contradiction between science and religion exists, so that religion is a fake one.
The Holy Quran is ordering people to think, to use logic because this way is the only way you will find the truth.
Also, you must know that religion is principally to adjust our behavior.
To believe for sure, Quran is giving you the evidence that Islam is the truth (Maybe scientific evidence or things that we discovered later).
For many religions, you will find contradictions, but for the Holy Quran you will not. You just have to ask the right person about things you don't get it. To hear from everyone from different religions and their response, and then use your brain to find what is the truth.
For a debate, you should talk about the concepts, evidences, things you misunderstood, accusations.
The concept I mean: Is there a god or not ( I believe there's only one god)
The evidence: What evidence that god exists or not
Misunderstood: Things you may read and misunderstood it.
Accusations: Such as that saying Islam is ordering to kill people who are not believing in what you believe as it's totally wrong.
Those kinds of debates usually go as follows
Theist - "Well this random thing happened and it's crazy cool, thus it's a miracle and God exists."
Atheist - "Well actually this crazy cool thing happened because this and this and that... So I wouldn't say it's because of God."
Theist - "Shut up you made all of that up, that's why it's called a '
Atheist - "You shut up and prove your God exists! If you can't do that without a man made book why would I believe?"
Theist - "Because it only makes sense. How can we come from nothing? That makes zero sense."
Atheist - "Well... I uh... The uh... Big Bang Theory and... Uh... The um... Yeah, shut up! The big bang theory! Look it up dummy!"
Theist - "Well this random thing happened and it's crazy cool, thus it's a miracle and God exists."
Atheist - "Well actually this crazy cool thing happened because this and this and that... So I wouldn't say it's because of God."
Theist - "Shut up you made all of that up, that's why it's called a '
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'." Atheist - "You shut up and prove your God exists! If you can't do that without a man made book why would I believe?"
Theist - "Because it only makes sense. How can we come from nothing? That makes zero sense."
Atheist - "Well... I uh... The uh... Big Bang Theory and... Uh... The um... Yeah, shut up! The big bang theory! Look it up dummy!"