Is Kakashi now stronger than Itachi?

[Bogard]

And debating with you is also a waste of my time then, since for example I told you to read the OP, that they have knowledge on each other so your previous arguments based on Itachi's lack of knowledge on kamui are invalid...but you havent answered that, just criticized my logic ... And you say I forget about Kakashi's genjutsu, but dont make me laugh...kakashi's genjutsu vs Itachi's...Itachi is not Sakura...do you remember when Kurenai cast a genjutsu on Itachi and he cast it back on her?

I've not answered cuz it wasn't your concern there. I was arguing with Prince Charles about something that didn't even concern the conditions anymore. I already knew they had knowledge on each other. You say Itachi is not Sakura, but i can also say that Kakashi is not Naruto, but anyway your vision is already biaised, that's why i said that arguing with you is pointless. Also if you didn't notice, i've said that Itachi is still stronger than kakashi, but what i'm debating here is to show that it won't be that easy. I see Itachi winning but with high difficulty. You underestimate Kakashi way too much. Not even Itachi himself would do that

 

[Scooby Doo]

I've not answered cuz it wasn't your concern there. I was arguing with Prince Charles about something that didn't even concern the conditions anymore. I already knew they had knowledge on each other. You say Itachi is not Sakura, but i can also say that Kakashi is not Naruto, but anyway your vision is already biaised, that's why i said that arguing with you is pointless. Also if you didn't notice, i've said that Itachi is still stronger than kakashi, but what i'm debating here is to show that it won't be that easy. I see Itachi winning but with high difficulty. You underestimate Kakashi way too much. Not even Itachi himself would do that

Oh sorry then. So no need for humiliating each other any longer But as for me being biased, I disagree. Though in the first place its unfair that Kakashi got a huge powerup, that now he can spam kamui and its instant now...but still...If they both make clones, Itachi wins again. But you say you know it so end of debate on my part.

 

[metallica9565]

Tsukyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, Izanagi, Izanami, (until recently, Koto Amatsukami)
vs
Kamui :sy:

hmmmm.... I wonder who has the obvious advantage... :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

 

[Nooby Kyuubi]

with naruto showing off his ass i cant take you seriously

lmfao.

and i would say itachi could still beat kakashi, mid to high difficulty though.

 

[odieSO6P]

if kakashi can kamui itachi,,well i think tobi will kick itachi ass to go out to his dimension

 

[karol the don]

kakashi cant even beat sasuke so how the **** should he defeat itachi? Itachi shits on his mouth and he gonna lose all the way homes

 

[sandkazekage]

Want your thoughts guys. This is IF they both have knowledge on eachother. Kakashi has Kamui, and we've seen the speed that it warps people. Itachi doesn't have the speed to dodge it. Kakashi is also able to spam it quite a few times. Itachi has Tsukuyomi but that won't work if they both have knowledge on eachother. Amaterasu is his only other oneshot in this match, since Kakashi is fast enough to dodge Totsuka. Amaterasu didn't kill the Samurai and Karin wasn't badly hurt by it. It will not end Kakashi immediately but Kamui will end Itachi straight away. Kakashi also has more stamina than Itachi; Itachi got a 2.5 in the databooks whereas Kakashi got a 3, and we all know Kakashi's stamina has gone up since then. I think Kakashi would win this.

Kamui GG is real. It's canon now. Accept it. Believe it.

noooooooooooooooo way:flaw: itachi can beat him without susanoo!

 

[Frikid]

i believe kakashi can beat itachi,

most of the people are saying tsukiyomi can defeat kakashi,
so let me remind you guys, kakashi has already gain resistance over tsukiyomi,

he said it in the second battle when naruto was a teenager and it was vs 30% itachi.

look what kakashi said to itachi :

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And it is a very old chapter , its kakashi of chapter 257,

current kakashi has improved by alot!
He was even nominated for being hokage,

you all really underestimate him,

He can now spam kamui, he can even kamui moving objects,
His way of using kamui is also worth mentioning, he asked hachibi to get to a certain to increase his area of view,

We are talking about a ninja who can use 1000 jutsus,
think about His versatility,
Raikiri kunai , Instant kamui , 1000 jutsus , his Raiton Kage Bunshin ...

And his special attack DIG xd

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how can you expect itachi to beat him ?

 

[Narutoisgodly]

kakashi fanboys > minoto fanboys
(fanboy metre)
a well known fact

 

[Takos]

One thing is certain - it would be a very even fight.

I've always thought of Kakashi and Itachi as kind of counterparts to each other.
Kakashi is better in ninjutsu.
Itachi is better in genjutsu.
They seem to be about equal in taijutsu.
They seem to be about equal in movement speed.

I think their base abilities are very balanced, with main difference in Ninjutsu and Genjutsu usage.

Now, if we talk about MS fight, the victory would theoretically come to whoever used his MS first - if Kakashi uses his first, then it's game over. Itachi will lose unless he himself uses some fast lethal MS technique - the only choice here being Amaterasu. Kakashi is well aware of Tsukyomi and getting him to fall for this will be difficult for Itachi. Susanoo, on the other hand, is too slow - before Itachi will pull it out and attack with it, he will already be warped.

So, it's either Amaterasu or Kamui.
If Kakashi uses Kamui before Itachi's Amaterasu, then Kakashi wins, because Kamui is instant.
If Itachi uses Amaterasu before Kakashi kamui, then Kakashi will start burning, yet Amaterasu is not an instant kill and Kakashi will still have time to use Kamui on Itachi before dying.

That's why I think it's either Kakashi's victory or a double KO and a draw.
Itachi would have chances of winning if he used Tsukyomi instead of Amaterasu, but then Kakashi's chances of winning increase as well.

kakashi fanboys > minoto fanboys
(fanboy metre)
a well known fact

Tell me this after Kakashi fanboys achieve the level of Itachi fanboys and say Itachi can solo Nagato, current Naruto and has chances against Edo Madara.

 

[Takos]

They met Twice

Kakashi was Owned once
he wasn't able to defeate 1\3 Itachi and he Had Kamui and Itachi didn't have MS

i THink kishi just proved his Point already

I've been waiting for this excuse of an argument...

First fight: Kakashi was keeping up with Itachi before Itachi resorted to Tsukyomi. Kisame himself said Kakashi was keeping up with Itachi. Therefore, even in Part I when Kakashi was much weaker than currently, Kakashi was keeping up with base Itachi.

And if Itachi could defeat Kakashi without resorting to MS, what do you think, wouldn't he do it? Itachi is a smart one, he doesn't spam MS when it's unnecessary, only when it's the only way. Either he wouldn't defeat Kakashi while in base or it would take very long. Both possibilities prove Kakashi was enough to tire base Itachi. In part I.

Second fight: First, I hate when people say "1/3 Itachi". It was Itachi with 30% of his chakra, NOT Itachi with only 30% of his power. Know the difference, because the only difference there was here was that Itachi could not use MS. Again, this was a base Itachi vs base Kakashi fight.
And in this fight Itachi got outsmarted, immobilized and defeated.
You will probably say that it was Naruto who landed the Rasengan, not Kakashi. Well, that's because there were still fights ahead and Kakashi wanted to conserve as much chakra as possible. Do you seriously think he couldn't just charge with Raikiri instead of sending Naruto? He could.

And don't start with "Itachi didn't want to fight seriously" stuff. Because if he wasn't serious, he wouldn't:
1) Use MS.
2) Send Kisame charging at Kakashi after using MS.

 

[pema55]

yes...he can win...

 

[sandkazekage]

i believe kakashi can beat itachi,

most of the people are saying tsukiyomi can defeat kakashi,
so let me remind you guys, kakashi has already gain resistance over tsukiyomi,

he said it in the second battle when naruto was a teenager and it was vs 30% itachi.

look what kakashi said to itachi :

You must be registered for see images

And it is a very old chapter , its kakashi of chapter 257,

current kakashi has improved by alot!
He was even nominated for being hokage,

you all really underestimate him,

He can now spam kamui, he can even kamui moving objects,
His way of using kamui is also worth mentioning, he asked hachibi to get to a certain to increase his area of view,

We are talking about a ninja who can use 1000 jutsus,
think about His versatility,
Raikiri kunai , Instant kamui , 1000 jutsus , his Raiton Kage Bunshin ...

And his special attack DIG xd

Spoiler

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how can you expect itachi to beat him ?

I see, not only fanboys overestimate a lot kakashi but Kakashi overestimate himself too. He had beaten badly when fought itachi. The second time fights a clone of itachi (with 30% of his power) with naruto s help. It doesn t count.

Kakashi is an elite jonin level. He is strong. He can beat every shinobi except if they are kage level and above.

Though he can put a good fight against any akatsuki, kage, sannin.But 99% he looses.

 

[Takos]

I see, not only fanboys overestimate a lot kakashi but Kakashi overestimate himself too.

Good excuse, I guess you can say Kishimoto overestimates Kakashi.

He had beaten badly when fought itachi.

He was. After Itachi used Tsukyomi. Before that, they were pretty much fighting equally.

The second time fights a clone of itachi (with 30% of his power) with naruto s help. It doesn t count.

Arr... this... ignorance again... It wasn't 30% of his power, but CHAKRA, goddamnit, CHAKRA! Itachi's speed, taijutsu, intelligence... all these were not affected in any freaking way.
And Naruto's only help was landing the final attack - which Kakashi could do himself, but wanted to conserve chakra for fights ahead.

Kakashi is an elite jonin level. He is strong. He can beat every shinobi except if they are kage level and above.

Elite jonin? He's much more than that, open your eyes. Mid kage level at least, that's his ground. With his recent Kamui feats, high kage level.

 

[Bogard]

Funny to see how the wank on Itachi is too high here. It makes the discussion impossible

 

[sandkazekage]

it is never stated that kakashi became stronger. Because he find a way to defeat tobi that mean he is smart not stronger.
Kakashi is as strong as kabuto before he gain oro powers.

 

[Takos]

Funny to see how the wank on Itachi is too high here. It makes the discussion impossible

I knew it the moment I saw the title of this thread. With some people thinking Kakashi's only jonin-level, it's no wonder.

 

[Bogard]

it is never stated than kakashi became stronger. Because he find a way to defeat tobi that mean he is smart not stronger.
Kakashi is as strong as kabuto before he gain oro powers.

Part1 Kakashi, not part2. Part2 Kakashi is on a whole other level. It's Gaara who is at part1 Kabuto level maybe lower

 

[Takos]

it is never stated that kakashi became stronger. Because he find a way to defeat tobi that mean he is smart not stronger.
Kakashi is as strong as kabuto before he gain oro powers.

Lol, Kabuto was about to kill Sasuke, until Kakashi arrived. Then his only option was to run and Kakashi didn't even use his Sharingan.

And I can't believe you say Kakashi is just as strong as he was in Part I.
First of all, Kakashi used in single fight more Raikiris than he said he was able to in Part I.
Second of all, he's got MS.
Third of all, his base Sharingan does not tire him one bit like it did VS Zabuza.

That's just some of stuff proving he got better since Part I to the beginning of Part II.
Do I need to go on to current Kakashi?

 

[sandkazekage]

all characters in naruto become stronger not only kakashi. The biggest increase in strength have naruto, sasuke and gaara. deal with it.