Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

[Penguin]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Naruto can make 1000 clones with the Kyuubi's chakra, not with his own base chakra.


What kind of smokescreen? If its one generated by a ninja tool Sharingan will be able to see right through it, if its one generated by Ma and Pa then they'd first have to know Amaterasu is coming (Which they have no way of knowing) then they'd have to spit out enough of the dust to cover Jiraiya completely, those things aren't happening when Amaterasu spawns instead of travels.

The build up time for Amaterasu is useless for Jiraiya if he doesn't know about it. If he doesn't know about it he can't take advantage of it. Not to mention said build up time only occurs once and it isn't even long enough to make a difference.

Itachi builds it up for the first use.

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Then he uses it again.

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So if Jiraiya manages to save himself from the first hit, the second one will get him as there will be no build up for him to exploit.

And he'll eventually have to come out from the cloud if he wants to fight Itachi.



Not gonna help if he's going to opt to dodge Amaterasu with speed.



Yeah, cause it's not like it only takes less than a second to activate MS...

Why would Jiraiya even start off with clones in the first place? He doesn't know about Amaterasu so him adopting a strategy to counter it at the beginning of the match isn't happening.

Itachi is known world wide for his genjutsu. Jiraiya is from Konoha and the sharingan originated in Konoha. He knows Itachi would be good as genjutsu. He knows that he sucks at genjutsu. To not get caught he would make clones. To activate MS, Itachi closes his eyes and opens them. In that time Jiraiya could make clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Itachi is known world wide for his genjutsu. Jiraiya is from Konoha and the sharingan originated in Konoha. He knows Itachi would be good as genjutsu. He knows that he sucks at genjutsu. To not get caught he would make clones. To activate MS, Itachi closes his eyes and opens them. In that time Jiraiya could make clones.

Its not like Shadow clones make a big difference, but ok then. Say he summons Shadow Clones. Susanoo can easily dispose of them. Or he can do what he did to Sasuke using his Amaterasu to take them all out in one big sweep.

The bold is false, it isn't necessary to do that to activate MS or even the normal Sharingan.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Susanoo can easily dispose of them.

Until Itachi reaches V3 he'd already be getting swarmed by boss toads and Jiraiya's jutsus, not to mention Jiraiya's clones are still fast enough to steer clear of Susanoo, unless it's the sworded version.

Databook also classifies Amaterasu as close range and so are most of Itachi's genjutsus so all Jiraiya has to do is gain distance and use long range ninjutsu which Itachi lacks.

 

[Strict]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Itachi is known world wide for his genjutsu. Jiraiya is from Konoha and the sharingan originated in Konoha. He knows Itachi would be good as genjutsu. He knows that he sucks at genjutsu. To not get caught he would make clones. To activate MS, Itachi closes his eyes and opens them. In that time Jiraiya could make clones.

So Orochimaru, who was searching for the Sharingan because of its powers, had actually no knowledge when being caught by Itachi's Genjutsu? Don't fool yourself. Itachi can use clones, too and even faster and more artful. So if clones are the answer for Itachi's Mangekyo techniques, then clones are the answer for any of Jiraiya's techniques.

Clone feints are a trick may working once against the same opponent but not constantly.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

So Orochimaru, who was searching for the Sharingan because of its powers, had actually no knowledge when being caught by Itachi's Genjutsu? Don't fool yourself. Itachi can use clones, too and even faster and more artful. So if clones are the answer for Itachi's Mangekyo techniques, then clones are the answer for any of Jiraiya's techniques.

Clone feints are a trick may working once against the same opponent but not constantly.

Not only is Itachi's stamina utter shi t, thus making clones undesirable, Jiraiya's katons are on a way larger scale than Itachi's. Using clones against him is pointless.

 

[Penguin]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

So Orochimaru, who was searching for the Sharingan because of its powers, had actually no knowledge when being caught by Itachi's Genjutsu? Don't fool yourself. Itachi can use clones, too and even faster and more artful. So if clones are the answer for Itachi's Mangekyo techniques, then clones are the answer for any of Jiraiya's techniques.

Clone feints are a trick may working once against the same opponent but not constantly.

Jiraiya can use many more clones than Itachi can, and does Itachi have the stamina to keep up while in MS, using MS Clones, and the original MS Itachi using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi? Doubtfull, that is why he cannot nullify clones with clones. Jiraiya would most likely hide in a barrier while prepping for Sage Mode after he made the clones.

 

[Brooks]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

You lack common sense then. How is MS Itachi better? Jiraiya is stronger, more durable, has more stamina, better with seals, is a better summoner, and has Sage Art. Itachi is faster.

I lack commen sense? Okay, genius

Yes, Jiyaiya is stronger, but that's when it only comes to base Itachi....any form of Itachi's Susanoo can physical destroy Jiraya in strength wise.

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Power: yes, Jiraya does have a lot of power in Sage Mode, but so does Susanoo.

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^Again, yet another example of Susanoo power.

Summoning? they instlnly get fodderize by Amaterasu

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^Here is the Toads having so much trouble with Pain dogs forget about Beaked Bird summoning.

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^While Itachi easily destroyed Pain dogs and Beaked Bird summoning with Amaterasu.

More durable? wait, you think Jiraya has more durable than Itachi when Itachi survived Sasuke's Kirin(town level attack) with only V2 of Susanoo? Jiraya can't come close to tanking Town level attack in a million years.

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Better with seals? Totsuka Blade?

Sage Art? and what are they going to do with Itachi's Susanoo? Yeah, like i thought...nothing

Prove to me how SM Jiraya is stronger than MS Itachi?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Goemon would definitely melt Susanoo.

It is -several- times hotter than lava and Madara already said that sinking into Mei's lava would be bad.

If Itachi used Amaterasu on the toads he'd make himself a sitting duck due to the MS backlash we all know about. Using Ama on toads is simply a suicide note.

 

[Penguin]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

I lack commen sense? Okay, genius

Yes, Jiyaiya is stronger, but that's when it only comes to base Itachi....any form of Itachi's Susanoo can physical destroy Jiraya in strength wise.

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^Susanoo has proven that it has a dangerous power that can easily destroy the ground and this only Incomplete.

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^Again, yet another example of Susanoo power.

Summoning? they instlnly get fodderize by Amaterasu

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The 3 Toads can be easily turn into ash with Amaterasu.

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^Here is the Toads having so much trouble with Pain dogs forget about Beaked Bird summoning.

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^While Itachi easily destroyed Pain dogs and Beaked Bird summoning with Amaterasu.

More durable? wait, you think Jiraya has more durable than Itachi when Itachi survived Sasuke's Kirin(town level attack) with only V2 of Susanoo? Jiraya can't come close to tanking Town level attack in a million years.

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Destructive Capacity: Town Level

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Better with seals? Totsuka Blade?

Sage Art? and what are they going to do with Itachi's Susanoo? Yeah, like i thought...nothing

Prove to me how SM Jiraya is stronger than MS Itachi?

SM Jiraiya laughs at Susano'o. When Itachi enters Susano'o, SM Jiraiya uses Swamp of the Underworld and sinks it. When Itachi comes out, he will be exhausted. Itachi himself is not as durable, but Susano'o is. Itachi is not Susano'o. I said Jiraiya is more durable than Itachi, not Itachi in Susano'o. Totsuka Blade is 1 sealing method Itachi knows. Cool. How many does Jiraiya know? More than 1? Yep.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Oh and regarding Amaterasu killing toads.

Jiraiya can seal it.

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[Brooks]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Goemon would definitely melt Susanoo.

It is -several- times hotter than lava and Madara already said that sinking into Mei's lava would be bad.

If Itachi used Amaterasu on the toads he'd make himself a sitting duck due to the MS backlash we all know about. Using Ama on toads is simply a suicide note.

One Amaterasu is enough....Itachi was able to use Amaterasu twice against Sasuke, while he used Tsukuyomi in the fight earlier....using Amaterasu one time won't be very dangerous to Itachi's eye sight.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

One Amaterasu is enough....Itachi was able to use Amaterasu twice against Sasuke, while he used Tsukuyomi in the fight earlier....using Amaterasu one time won't be very dangerous to Itachi's eye sight.

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Yeah well the toads wouldn't stay glued one to another and Jiraiya sure as hell won't stay stationary while his friends burn.

Not to mention, he -can- seal it and he -can- make clones that -can- seal it.

 

[Lilt]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Sick, base Itachi is superior to Jiraiya in every area involving skill or intellect.

Plus if Sasuke controlled Manda, then Itachi can easily control Fukasaku into snapping Jiraiya's neck.

 

[Brooks]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

SM Jiraiya laughs at Susano'o. When Itachi enters Susano'o, SM Jiraiya uses Swamp of the Underworld and sinks it. When Itachi comes out, he will be exhausted. Itachi himself is not as durable, but Susano'o is. Itachi is not Susano'o. I said Jiraiya is more durable than Itachi, not Itachi in Susano'o. Totsuka Blade is 1 sealing method Itachi knows. Cool. How many does Jiraiya know? More than 1? Yep.

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SM Jiraiya laughs at Susanoo? what kind of argument is that? Why would Itachi be exhausted when Itachi has proven to use Susanoo for a long time of periord when he was fighting Orochimaru and not to mention Itachi used Amaterasu twice and Tsukuyomi before using Susanoo in his fight against Sasuke.....Itachi can also simply jump out of the way of the technique without ever using Susanoo.

I don't care whether you where talking about Itachi's durability or his Susanoo's durability ...the fact is Itachi could tank town level attacks and Jiraya isn't coming close to that and if you want to play the game where the Susanoo isn't Itachi durability then i could do the same.....Jiraiya's durability comes from Sage Mode....not him

So, what if Itachi has one sealing technique? It doesn't change the fact that Itachi's Totsuka Blade is superior to any sealing technique Jiraya has.

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I haven't even brought Yata Mirrior into my argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Until Itachi reaches V3 he'd already be getting swarmed by boss toads and Jiraiya's jutsus, not to mention Jiraiya's clones are still fast enough to steer clear of Susanoo, unless it's the sworded version.

Databook also classifies Amaterasu as close range and so are most of Itachi's genjutsus so all Jiraiya has to do is gain distance and use long range ninjutsu which Itachi lacks.

Manga shows that its all ranges so bringing up the Databook is pointless. Gaining distance against someone who is faster than you is easier said than done, and what ninjutsu? Any of Jiraiya's long range Ninjutsu can be shrugged off effortlessly by Susanoo while Itachi moves in to cover the distance.

Also, Goemon isn't doing anything to Susanoo let alone melting it. Madara simply said he can't let himself get hit by a jutsu of that level (Mei's lava). He was mocking her technique.

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Boss Toads? Not a good idea to summon against a guy who can manipulate said summons via Sharingan.

Also, Sharingan Genjutsu is not Short Ranged.

-C got hit and it wasn't short range.
-Deidara got hit and it wasn't short range.

Jiraiya needs to start in Sage Mode to make this somewhat debatable, cause there is no way he is summoning Ma and Pa before he gets killed, even then the victor is still as clear as stars in the night sky.

 

[shelke]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

This thread still continues? Let's face it, there is no logical argument to support Jiraiya's case.

 

[shelke]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Sharingan's genjutsu isn't short-ranged, nor does it have any inhibitions with regards to speed, or opponent's experience. This is clear when Sasuke used Genjutsu on Deidara from a large distance, fooled Chee who is a genjutsu specialist, and took Manda under his control in such a small span of time.

Believing in this notion that sharingan genjutsu has some kind of range is stupidity that many still cling to. And it's sad.

 

[Disciple Of The 5th]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Edit: Just read Shisu's eye Koto?

 

[Lilt]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Fusaku and Shima says Hi

The Sharingan controls summons, and nobody's better at direct control than Itachi.

Jiriaya's chances actually sharply decrease if he's in Sage Mode.

Since Itachi just needs to get either summon in genjutsu for a second to kill Jiraiya.

 

[Orange Hokage oF Leaf]

Re: Is Jiraya> Itachi if they went head to head without retreating from the battle?

Fillers aren't canon

why?????...