[Discussion] is g4 needed to beat zoro?
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Uhh no, Zoro clearly has better endurance than Luffy. Luffy's pain and fatigue knocked him out. Zoro took all of that, plus his own, and stayed conscious. Nothing has retconned this.
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That's not more impressive though. That was willpower, not stamina/endurance. Iva said the treatment will only work as well as how badly Luffy wants to live.
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Except what Iva shot him with at MF wasn't the same thing as the treatment. Iva explicitly stated the treatment will work only as well as how badly Luffy wants to live, which has nothing to do with endurance. The MF example just goes to show that Luffy's endurance had nothing to do with the treatment, as he could bear almost 12 hours of non-stop torture, but couldn't handle the significantly less shorter time of damage at MF and needed adrenaline shots. If Luffy's endurance allowed him to survive the treatment, then he wouldn't have needed shots at MF.
That wasn't my point, you said WP got him through the treatment and my point was that WP will only get you so far. The treatment was described as torture, it's not just WP that would push him through. You do realise Luffy not being able to survive MF was partly due to him being tier prior. Luffy surviving the treatment through endurance doesn't mean he wouldn't need the shots, he was extremely fatigued before hand and that added on.
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Luffy endured what ONE person can handle without passing out. Zoro took Luffys injuries and pain (that made him pass out) in addition to his own from Kuma and Oz and still stood there like a mother ****ing G telling Sanji that there's nothing wrong. There is no other more badass scene than that in OP in my opinion as of yet. If you really believe the nonsense about Luffy having a better feat, im not going to try to change your mind but youre wrong.
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That's not a fair comparison.. Luffy just defeated an enemy and thought the danger was gone so with a comfortable heart he went to sleep is another way u could look at it. If he saw another Shihbukai was there he would have just continued (and lost ofc)
So anybody could survive then even EB Coby......Endurance is obviously a factor.
The damage sustained from IP and MF is farr greater than what any SH took in Thriller Bark, just because you have Zoro's d**k stuck up your ass doesn't make you right.
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Obviously if their will to live isn't strong enough, then they wouldn't. I don't see why you're still trying to argue physical endurance played a role when Iva explicitly stated the only way to endure it is based on willpower to live. It's laughable at this point.
It laughable to think you think endurance didn't play a fact at all so anyone could got and survive the treatment especially when it's described as tortured and Iva said you was going to hell door. I guess Coby could survive this if he wanted to.
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I know right? It's not like Iva explicitly stated that Luffy endured not because of physical endurance, aka stamina, but because of willpower. Twice.
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And before you say it, no, enduring something is not the same as surviving because of physical endurance/stamina.
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Youre all bias with no facts to prove your point. My proof is that Zoro took the damage of two people and Luffy only took the damage of one person. Checkmate, *****!
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Exactly. Zoro did that. Thanks for proving my point more. Zoro has better durability. Bye.
Exactly. Zoro did that. Thanks for proving my point more. Zoro has better durability. Bye.
I never proved anything this proves your lack of reading skills, you even edited out my example which shows hoe fu**ing stupid you are.