[Discussion] is g4 needed to beat zoro?

[lelerskates]

Two words.....Impel Down

Nope. Still not a better feat.

 

[-Akuma-]

Nope. Still not a better feat.

It really is Luffy endured treatment which was described as torture for 12 hours came out ate meat and was fine

 

[Punk Hazard]

It really is Luffy endured treatment which was described as torture for 12 hours came out ate meat and was fine

Uhh no, Zoro clearly has better endurance than Luffy. Luffy's pain and fatigue knocked him out. Zoro took all of that, plus his own, and stayed conscious. Nothing has retconned this.

 

[-Akuma-]

Uhh no, Zoro clearly has better endurance than Luffy. Luffy's pain and fatigue knocked him out. Zoro took all of that, plus his own, and stayed conscious. Nothing has retconned this.

I'm not saying anything retconned it, Luffy showed something more impressive during IP.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not saying anything retconned it, Luffy showed something more impressive during IP.

That's not more impressive though. That was willpower, not stamina/endurance. Iva said the treatment will only work as well as how badly Luffy wants to live.

 

[-Akuma-]

That's not more impressive though. That was willpower, not stamina/endurance. Iva said the treatment will only work as well as how badly Luffy wants to live.

Will power will only get you so far, hence why Luffy needed Iva to hit him with a shot mid MF, the treatment was described as torture.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Will power will only get you so far, hence why Luffy needed Iva to hit him with a shot mid MF, the treatment was described as torture.

Except what Iva shot him with at MF wasn't the same thing as the treatment. Iva explicitly stated the treatment will work only as well as how badly Luffy wants to live, which has nothing to do with endurance. The MF example just goes to show that Luffy's endurance had nothing to do with the treatment, as he could bear almost 12 hours of non-stop torture, but couldn't handle the significantly less shorter time of damage at MF and needed adrenaline shots. If Luffy's endurance allowed him to survive the treatment, then he wouldn't have needed shots at MF.

 

[-Akuma-]

Except what Iva shot him with at MF wasn't the same thing as the treatment. Iva explicitly stated the treatment will work only as well as how badly Luffy wants to live, which has nothing to do with endurance. The MF example just goes to show that Luffy's endurance had nothing to do with the treatment, as he could bear almost 12 hours of non-stop torture, but couldn't handle the significantly less shorter time of damage at MF and needed adrenaline shots. If Luffy's endurance allowed him to survive the treatment, then he wouldn't have needed shots at MF.

That wasn't my point, you said WP got him through the treatment and my point was that WP will only get you so far. The treatment was described as torture, it's not just WP that would push him through. You do realise Luffy not being able to survive MF was partly due to him being tier prior. Luffy surviving the treatment through endurance doesn't mean he wouldn't need the shots, he was extremely fatigued before hand and that added on.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That wasn't my point, you said WP got him through the treatment and my point was that WP will only get you so far. The treatment was described as torture, it's not just WP that would push him through. You do realise Luffy not being able to survive MF was partly due to him being tier prior. Luffy surviving the treatment through endurance doesn't mean he wouldn't need the shots, he was extremely fatigued before hand and that added on.

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[lelerskates]

It really is Luffy endured treatment which was described as torture for 12 hours came out ate meat and was fine

Luffy endured what ONE person can handle without passing out. Zoro took Luffys injuries and pain (that made him pass out) in addition to his own from Kuma and Oz and still stood there like a mother ****ing G telling Sanji that there's nothing wrong. There is no other more badass scene than that in OP in my opinion as of yet. If you really believe the nonsense about Luffy having a better feat, im not going to try to change your mind but youre wrong.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Luffy endured what ONE person can handle without passing out. Zoro took Luffys injuries and pain (that made him pass out) in addition to his own from Kuma and Oz and still stood there like a mother ****ing G telling Sanji that there's nothing wrong. There is no other more badass scene than that in OP in my opinion as of yet. If you really believe the nonsense about Luffy having a better feat, im not going to try to change your mind but youre wrong.

That's not a fair comparison.. Luffy just defeated an enemy and thought the danger was gone so with a comfortable heart he went to sleep is another way u could look at it. If he saw another Shihbukai was there he would have just continued (and lost ofc)

 

[-Akuma-]

Iva disagrees

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So anybody could survive then even EB Coby......Endurance is obviously a factor.

Luffy endured what ONE person can handle without passing out. Zoro took Luffys injuries and pain (that made him pass out) in addition to his own from Kuma and Oz and still stood there like a mother ****ing G telling Sanji that there's nothing wrong. There is no other more badass scene than that in OP in my opinion as of yet. If you really believe the nonsense about Luffy having a better feat, im not going to try to change your mind but youre wrong.

The damage sustained from IP and MF is farr greater than what any SH took in Thriller Bark, just because you have Zoro's d**k stuck up your ass doesn't make you right.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So anybody could survive then even EB Coby......Endurance is obviously a factor.




The damage sustained from IP and MF is farr greater than what any SH took in Thriller Bark, just because you have Zoro's d**k stuck up your ass doesn't make you right.

Obviously if their will to live isn't strong enough, then they wouldn't. I don't see why you're still trying to argue physical endurance played a role when Iva explicitly stated the only way to endure it is based on willpower to live. It's laughable at this point.

 

[ToshiZO]

Smfh while I believe Zoro has the best feat its laughable that people think endurance wasn't involved in Impel Down let alone it being one of the main factors.

 

[-Akuma-]

Obviously if their will to live isn't strong enough, then they wouldn't. I don't see why you're still trying to argue physical endurance played a role when Iva explicitly stated the only way to endure it is based on willpower to live. It's laughable at this point.

It laughable to think you think endurance didn't play a fact at all so anyone could got and survive the treatment especially when it's described as tortured and Iva said you was going to hell door. I guess Coby could survive this if he wanted to.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Smfh while I believe Zoro has the best feat its laughable that people think endurance wasn't involved in Impel Down let alone it being one of the main factors.

It laughable to think you think endurance didn't play a fact at all so anyone could got and survive the treatment especially when it's described as tortured and Iva said you was going to hell door. I guess Coby could survive this if he wanted to.

I know right? It's not like Iva explicitly stated that Luffy endured not because of physical endurance, aka stamina, but because of willpower. Twice.

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And before you say it, no, enduring something is not the same as surviving because of physical endurance/stamina.

 

[lelerskates]

The damage sustained from IP and MF is farr greater than what any SH took in Thriller Bark, just because you have Zoro's d**k stuck up your ass doesn't make you right.

Youre all bias with no facts to prove your point. My proof is that Zoro took the damage of two people and Luffy only took the damage of one person. Checkmate, *****!

 

[-Akuma-]

Youre all bias with no facts to prove your point. My proof is that Zoro took the damage of two people and Luffy only took the damage of one person. Checkmate, *****!

The damage one person takes can be greater than the combined damage of 2 people, unless Zoro has grater durability than WB because WB only took him own damage and nobody elses LMAO.

 

[lelerskates]

The damage one person takes can be greater than the combined damage of 2 people,

Exactly. Zoro did that. Thanks for proving my point more. Zoro has better durability. Bye.

 

[-Akuma-]

Exactly. Zoro did that. Thanks for proving my point more. Zoro has better durability. Bye.

I never proved anything this proves your lack of reading skills, you even edited out my example which shows hoe fu**ing stupid you are.