I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

[The Masked Sage]

If you guys don't like the ideals in this thread, you guys can leave.

 

[the last shinobi]

"how about instead of whining about how messed up reality is, we actually do something about it!" said no one ever

people who try to change the current status usually end up dead, Marin Luther King, malcolm X, JFK, Jesus...the reality is for most people life is hell anyway. Rich keep getting richer off the backs of poor, the poor blame other poor people and rob and kill each other while the rich look down on them like barbarians. this is reality not saying i want to sleep for the rest of my life but Madara and Obito have a point...Also what exactly is "free will" because in a dream you have a lot more freedom then you ever would in reality.

 

[jimbobbity]

Because it have ending

And not all dream is good man there also is bad dream

And the terrible is you can't control dream

What about that uncontrolled dream lead you to never ending bad dreams

You want that?

The thing here is uncontrolled

Did this post just prove our points?

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

So you're no better then, why let people suffer when you can make everyone happy?

When did it become my responsibility to make everyone happy?

LOL, people just act so tough thinking that they are so strong and stuff, look what happened to obito and madara. Who are you to interfere with my happiness Ageha Jaeger?

When your happiness interferes with my and everyone else's lives, then it becomes a problem. Otherwise I wouldn't care.

 

[The Masked Sage]

I'm dead serious. Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion. It will give you more perspective on this matter and make you evaluate yourself. I'm not saying this as someone who wants to change your mind, but as someone who legitimately wants to help you. You seem to be depressed and/or disillusioned with reality. I won't ask you why, though you should feel free to confide in me if you want, as I have very recently had a bout with depression. In fact, I may still be in the midst of it. Regardless, I hope you are able to find what you're looking for. Purposelessness is the worst pain in this world.

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[Hebi Sasuke]

-Child soldiers
-Killing people for being different(Haku).
-The Bloody Mist

The Narutoverse is third world country bad.

Like that isn't the reality we live in.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

people who try to change the current status usually end up dead, Marin Luther King, malcolm X, JFK, Jesus...the reality is for most people life is hell anyway. Rich keep getting richer off the backs of poor, the poor blame other poor people and rob and kill each other while the rich look down on them like barbarians. this is reality not saying i want to sleep for the rest of my life but Madara and Obito have a point...Also what exactly is "free will" because in a dream you have a lot more freedom then you ever would in reality.

Not to mention, those people that die to change the world usually don't change much in the end, if I thought my death could fix the world I'd gladly accept it, but that's unrealistic and pointless.

 

[Gamaken]

It'd be an OK plan if they weren't trying to forcibly drag the rest of the world in with them.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I'm dead serious. Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion. It will give you more perspective on this matter and make you evaluate yourself. I'm not saying this as someone who wants to change your mind, but as someone who legitimately wants to help you. You seem to be depressed and/or disillusioned with reality. I won't ask you why, though you should feel free to confide in me if you want, as I have very recently had a bout with depression. In fact, I may still be in the midst of it. Regardless, I hope you are able to find what you're looking for. Purposelessness is the worst pain in this world.

The Narutoverse is pretty shitty though. I don't see why anyone would defend it. It is Africa bad.

 

[The Masked Sage]

When did it become my responsibility to make everyone happy?



When your happiness interferes with my and everyone else's lives, then it becomes a problem. Otherwise I wouldn't care.

No one said that we were going to cast IT, we were just agreeing with Lord Madara and Lord Obito. Get out if this thread if you don't like it.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I'm dead serious. Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion. It will give you more perspective on this matter and make you evaluate yourself. I'm not saying this as someone who wants to change your mind, but as someone who legitimately wants to help you. You seem to be depressed and/or disillusioned with reality. I won't ask you why, though you should feel free to confide in me if you want, as I have very recently had a bout with depression. In fact, I may still be in the midst of it. Regardless, I hope you are able to find what you're looking for. Purposelessness is the worst pain in this world.

Thanks, a part of the reason of the thread was my depression, I'll check it out, if I have the time.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

No one said that we were going to cast IT, we were just agreeing with Lord Madara and Lord Obito. Get out if this thread if you don't like it.

No, it's okay, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I wanted someone to disagree with me, mostly because not everyone thinks like me, and I enjoy occasional debate.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

No one said that we were going to cast IT, we were just agreeing with Lord Madara and Lord Obito. Get out if this thread if you don't like it.

I'm aware, and clearly I'm speaking as if you're about to cast it to give you my full take on it. Calm down buddy. Lol

 

[hokagenaruto1]

Well it's nice to see you're happy then, not everyone is, and not everyone counts birth as something to be grateful for.

That's what I'm saying. But the fact is that those people who would want to go, like you, should be able to go. Except that would screw me up because I'd be caught in that jutsu, which would then affect my happiness. There's no win-win situation.

 

[Ansatsuken]

people who try to change the current status usually end up dead, Marin Luther King, malcolm X, JFK, Jesus...the reality is for most people life is hell anyway. Rich keep getting richer off the backs of poor, the poor blame other poor people and rob and kill each other while the rich look down on them like barbarians. this is reality not saying i want to sleep for the rest of my life but Madara and Obito have a point...Also what exactly is "free will" because in a dream you have a lot more freedom then you ever would in reality.

Do you ever dream

You might sound that you actually never experienced dream

 

[Darth Uchiha]

That's what I'm saying. But the fact is that those people who would want to go, like you, should be able to go. Except that would screw me up because I'd be caught in that jutsu, which would then affect my happiness. There's no win-win situation.

Then, I'd imagine, your dram would perfectly mimic your life, thereby negating the issue.

 

[Sageof7Path]

What about world wars? We start a war to end a war. Thats all IT is?

Infinite tsukomonomi is ending life not ending war. Is war an issue yes... But what causes war? Conflict rather it be religious economic or agricultural it's still conflict. The problem lies in doing things and taking things by force... Point of this? LET PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEYRE GOING TO DO. If America where to force democracy on other countries and they objected would there be war???? YES! That's the point. The leaders of other countries would rather have dictator ship and communism and the people of those countries protest for their freedom, then what happens? The leader of that country commands it's military to start slaughtering his own people until they submit. How would we avoid this? It's simple... Let people decide for themselves! Stop trying to take what everyone else's got and fall back. America forcing democracy on these countries will certainly cause war that's why using armed conflict to end armed conflict is so flawed. That's basically what Madara did with his plan. Not only was he trying I use war to end war but in the process he ends the cycle of life. I'm a Christian and I believe in the father son and Holy Ghost as my lord... Do I force my beliefs on everyone else regardless if I think they're wrong or right? NO. Even though because I BELIVE in Christianity I know they are wrong it will still do me or them no good to force them into being Christian because not only will it cause conflict, but if I have to force them thy never really believed in the first place! The point is you're trying to say Madaras plan is the absolute right way to go. If you feel that way you've absolutely lost touch with reality.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Like that isn't the reality we live in.

-The leaf villagers treated Naruto who was the son of their savior like trash.

Our world is shit. But the Narutoverse is even shitter. It's a third world planet.

 

[jimbobbity]

Thanks, a part of the reason of the thread was my depression, I'll check it out, if I have the time.

There have been lots of times when Naruto has gone on about his "I'll change the world" speeches that I have face palmed and many that I have cheered when Obito and Madara had their "We can create peace" ones.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Do you ever dream

You might sound that you actually never experienced dream

In a dream you dot have to follow what other people tell you to do, you can do whatever you want because there's no one to order you around, reality is almost the exact opposite in that sense.