I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

[hokagenaruto1]

If you die thinking it was real, then it wouldn't have been a lie, it'd be your truth.

See the problem isn't that I don't like to dream. It's the fact that I'm being forced to partake in this dream world which I may not want to be a part of. Others may want to go into this dream world so why not let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” ― Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to trick everyone and distinguish reality by something they and everyone else know it's not. Then in the end when I die and go to the afterlife I'd find out it was all fake and that would only cause more pain finding out that everything you thought you knew was all a lie. It's a sick plan in my opinion and I don't agree with it at all. And I could never accept that in my reality. A perfect world would get too boring and eventually I'd figure out it was true good to be true. Quite frankly, it was not well thought out.

 

[Artesia]

EXACTLY! Of course, it's so convenient that IT turns people into White Zetsus, to show that, despite everyone was happy in their dreams, he was still "wrong".

are you trolling? you cant be serious

 

[The Masked Sage]

It may have been my truth but in the end I'd look back in the afterlife and realize none of it was real. I would've been told that by other people and that would've snapped me out of it. Then that would only cause more pain in the end realizing everything I knew was a lie. It doesn't solve anything. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly.The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. See the problem isn't that I don't like to dream. It's the fact that I'm being forced to partake in this dream world which I may not want to be a part of. Others may want to go into this dream world so why not let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” ― Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to trick everyone and distinguish reality by something they and everyone else know it's not. Then in the end when I die and go to the afterlife I'd find out it was all fake and that would only cause more pain finding out that everything you thought you knew was all a lie. It's a sick plan in my opinion and I don't agree with it at all. And I could never accept that in my reality. A perfect world would get too boring and eventually I'd figure out it was true good to be true. Quite frankly, it was not well thought out.

try indenting, anyways I agree with their plan, sometimes you actually feel like the world is hell.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

It may have been my truth but in the end I'd look back in the afterlife and realize none of it was real. I would've been told that by other people and that would've snapped me out of it. Then that would only cause more pain in the end realizing everything I knew was a lie. It doesn't solve anything. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly.The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. The main point is that I'm not so much against dreaming. It's the fact that I'm being forced into this dream world which I don't want a part of. In that sense, they're taking free will away from me the moment they cast the jutsu. I'm sure there may be people who want to go into the dream world so why not just let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” - Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to distinguish reality by something it's not. In the end it's all one big lie and in my opinion it's messed up, quite frankly. See the problem isn't that I don't like to dream. It's the fact that I'm being forced to partake in this dream world which I may not want to be a part of. Others may want to go into this dream world so why not let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” ― Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to trick everyone and distinguish reality by something they and everyone else know it's not. Then in the end when I die and go to the afterlife I'd find out it was all fake and that would only cause more pain finding out that everything you thought you knew was all a lie. It's a sick plan in my opinion and I don't agree with it at all. And I could never accept that in my reality. A perfect world would get too boring and eventually I'd figure out it was true good to be true. Quite frankly, it was not well thought out.

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Goddamn.

 

[The Masked Sage]

At least, before that stupid Kaguya hijacked it for herself, I am in full agreement with Infinite Tsukiyomi. I mean, think about it, even in our world, reality is a cruel, pointless hell, people are awful, wars happen, depression exists, and there is nothing but never ending misery, so, what's the point? Everybody acts as if Madara's plan is evil, but how so, what's so great about their world (or ours, for that matter) that would make the plan evil? What's so great about reality? Why not just live in paradise for an eternity, if possible, what sort of maniac would turn that down? Besides, whose to say what is reality anyway, reality is merely whatever you believe is real, no? So, I fully agree with Obito and Madara's plan, in fact, I wish it was possible to do the same in our world. What do you think?

he is saying that he wanted IT before kaguya came and BZ spilled the beans on white zetsu's creation

 

[Darth Uchiha]

See the problem isn't that I don't like to dream. It's the fact that I'm being forced to partake in this dream world which I may not want to be a part of. Others may want to go into this dream world so why not let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” ― Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to trick everyone and distinguish reality by something they and everyone else know it's not. Then in the end when I die and go to the afterlife I'd find out it was all fake and that would only cause more pain finding out that everything you thought you knew was all a lie. It's a sick plan in my opinion and I don't agree with it at all. And I could never accept that in my reality. A perfect world would get too boring and eventually I'd figure out it was true good to be true. Quite frankly, it was not well thought out.

Um...you repeated yourself multiple times.

 

[Ansatsuken]

In a way, life sucks for me and everyone else, the world is awful, and there's nothing anyone could do about it.

And then in the end you will die

That you can't change

You talk in that way like you will live forever on earth

 

[jimbobbity]

See the problem isn't that I don't like to dream. It's the fact that I'm being forced to partake in this dream world which I may not want to be a part of. Others may want to go into this dream world so why not let them go and leave me alone? “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.” ― Abraham Lincoln. That's exactly what Madara and Kaguya are trying to do. They're trying to trick everyone and distinguish reality by something they and everyone else know it's not. Then in the end when I die and go to the afterlife I'd find out it was all fake and that would only cause more pain finding out that everything you thought you knew was all a lie. It's a sick plan in my opinion and I don't agree with it at all. And I could never accept that in my reality. A perfect world would get too boring and eventually I'd figure out it was true good to be true. Quite frankly, it was not well thought out.

Stopped reading after the mention of the after life. We have no clue what itsl ike to be dead. Dont make assumptions.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

are you trolling? you cant be serious

Nah, I opened up a philosophical thread to debate.

 

[Sageof7Path]

But you wouldn't know that it was a dream. You would think that it was reality. That dream world become's your reality. There is no Zetsu transformation in this too, that was part of the OP.



Tell me; when you have a dream, when you are "in" a dream, before you wake up, do you know that it's a dream? No, that dream "is reality" before you wake up.

Lol Actually some times I do realize it's a dream and I can wake my self up. That's besides the point though. Point is it doesn't mater if they do or don't know it's still not their real lives that they're actually living. If you want to talk in tema of morals however then it does matter greatly. The fact that they don't even know they're dreaming just confirms that it's not nor an it ever be reality. It also shows that this isn't something that everyone agreed to enter just something they where forced into.

 

[hokagenaruto1]

try indenting, anyways I agree with their plan, sometimes you actually feel like the world is hell.

Sorry bro. I was on a roll

 

[BLAZE]

Nah, I opened up a philosophical thread to debate.

da fuk really

 

[Darth Uchiha]

And then in the end you will die

That you can't change

You talk in that way like you will live forever on earth

Exactly, may as well be happy until the day comes, no?

 

[hokagenaruto1]

Stopped reading after the mention of the after life. We have no clue what itsl ike to be dead. Dont make assumptions.

I'm saying that in Naruto there is an afterlife. We know that for sure. I'm putting myself in the characters shoes. You're the one that jumped to conclusions or maybe you just didn't understand.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

lmao Some of you guys don't realize how shitty the Narutoverse is. Its crap sake world.

 

[Tennis Robot]

You should watch Neon Genesis Evangelion. Extremely short, extremely good anime, deals with this exact issue. Also, I disagree with you.

 

[Torche]

Lol Actually some times I do realize it's a dream and I can wake my self up. That's besides the point though. Point is it doesn't mater if they do or don't know it's still not their real lives that they're actually living. If you want to talk in tema of morals however then it does matter greatly. The fact that they don't even know they're dreaming just confirms that it's not nor an it ever be reality. It also shows that this isn't something that everyone agreed to enter just something they where forced into.

I dunno, but everyone seemed extremely happy being in it. Minus the whole WZ thing.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Lol Actually some times I do realize it's a dream and I can wake my self up. That's besides the point though. Point is it doesn't mater if they do or don't know it's still not their real lives that they're actually living. If you want to talk in tema of morals however then it does matter greatly. The fact that they don't even know they're dreaming just confirms that it's not nor an it ever be reality. It also shows that this isn't something that everyone agreed to enter just something they where forced into.

Why bring morals into it anyway, in our world, morals are determined by whoever has the deepest pockets.

 

[The Masked Sage]

Everyone wishes in some point to live in a "paradise", so stop acting like naruto

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[jimbobbity]

I'm saying that in Naruto there is an afterlife. We know that for sure. I'm putting myself in the characters shoes. You're the one that jumped to conclusions or maybe you just didn't understand.

Of course there is an after life in Naruto, but we're talking about if it was real in this world. A world where you can have everything you ever wanted.