How the "Kage" are set up by Kishimoto

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According to the manga, genjutsu is useless against people who can control their chakra
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Are you really arguing that Tsunade > Itachi



are you really arguing that the "kage" is without a doubt the strongest ninja in the village? when the manga is littered with scenarios disapproving that crap logic? Sasori beating the third kazekage for example
 

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Bold below Tsunade? Not a chance. Being Hokage doesn't mean you are the strongest in the village. Not anymore and manga events have made that very clear.

Is A above B? No.

The author seems to believe that, kishimoto just makes them that ofcourse we would have our reasons why they aren't. But if he calls them the strongest in the village him as the writer truly believes this it must be true.
 

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The are u talking about? Every shinobi can control his chakra, otherwise u are rock lee.
Even kabuto, a medic with good chakra control 5 genjutsu stat and sage mode was afraid of genjutsu.

Accept that.
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Yeaa, Link that scan PLEASE


Are you really arguing that Tsunade > Itachi



are you really arguing that the "kage" is without a doubt the strongest ninja in the village? when the manga is littered with scenarios disapproving that crap logic? Sasori beating the third kazekage for example

Yes I'm arguing that a person who can do a summoning technique after all the other Kages are knocked out is stronger then a guy who barely lasted against a non-MS sasuke...


Where is it stated Sasori beat the Third Kazekage fairly? He has poison..... which is not "fairly"... Hell Sakura and Chiyo made Sasori look like trash...
 
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According to the manga, genjutsu is useless against people who can control their chakra.. and Tsunade is the best medic in history.. meaning she has better chakra control then others... otherwise meaning Tsukuyomi would be useless against her. But have Itachi fans admit this? no

Itachi could barely last against Sasuke...

Stop contradicting the manga.
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Stop contradicting the manga.
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What is going on in this thread...

I just read tsukyomi and all genjutsu is useless against tsunade..
 

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Stop contradicting the manga.
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oh ok I guess Jiraiya having a counter to Itachi is a contradiction. Sorry didn't know that. Thank you for telling me that Jiraiya doesn't know his stuff

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oh ok I guess Jiraiya having a counter to Itachi is a contradiction. Sorry didn't know that. Thank you for telling me that Jiraiya doesn't know his stuff

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Tsuande is one-shotted by Tsukuyomi. Sorry.

Base Jiraiya takes a giant crap on base Tsunade.
 

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Tsuande is one-shotted by Tsukuyomi. Sorry.

Base Jiraiya takes a giant crap on base Tsunade.

Really? What is Jiraiya's counter to her 1 punch K.O? What exactly does Jiraiya have on a person who broke his ribs without even meaning to.. o_O
 

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oh ok I guess Jiraiya having a counter to Itachi is a contradiction. Sorry didn't know that. Thank you for telling me that Jiraiya doesn't know his stuff

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Sorry. Manga has spoken. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user who shares Itachi's blood.

Does Tsunade have Sharingan? No.
Does she share Itachi's blood? No.

Tsukuyomi one shots.

All Genjutsu being useless is a load of BS but being the fanboy that you are you will continue to deny cold hard manga facts.
 

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no point posting a useless post, when you can't accept manga facts, and no point overrating guy who doesn't even have 3 in stamina...
What manga facts have you posted..? You couldnt even come up with a response to my last point to you.. Because there are none. This thread is stupid, and you know it
 

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oh ok I guess Jiraiya having a counter to Itachi is a contradiction. Sorry didn't know that. Thank you for telling me that Jiraiya doesn't know his stuff

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You're joking right?

That's how to break a genjutsu, That in no way equates to anyone with good chakra control is immune to genjutus..


Do you not see the part saying "What if it doesn't work"?
Kai isn't a sure proof way of defeating genjutsu, the genjutsu user can increase the strength of the genjutsu making the person incapable of breaking it easily..
Not that this should even be an argument


 

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Really? What is Jiraiya's counter to her 1 punch K.O? What exactly does Jiraiya have on a person who broke his ribs without even meaning to.. o_O

The time she beat up Jiraiya was presented as a joke.

Tsunade isn't even going to be able to hit Jiraiya.
 

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You're joking... Kakashi was almost elected as Hokage..

Orochimaru was almost elected as hokage


Tsunade IS hokage..


Oro admitted inferiority to itachi,

Being Hokage doesn't mean you're the strongest in the village. and Kishi definitely didn't set it up to be like that.

Essentially this.
 

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Sorry. Manga has spoken. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user who shares Itachi's blood.

Does Tsunade have Sharingan? No.
Does she share Itachi's blood? No.

Tsukuyomi one shots.

All Genjutsu being useless is a load of BS but being the fanboy that you are you will continue to deny cold hard manga facts.
Itachi is the same guy who said only someone related to him can kill him. So which would make Itachi >> Hashirama amen?

The fact that Jiraiya gave Naruto a counter for Itachi's tsukuyomi and your choosing to ignore it doesn't really look good on your part.

Cold Hard Manga fact is Genjutsu can be broken by Chakra disruption....... When was the last time Itachi faced a Hokage?

What manga facts have you posted..? You couldnt even come up with a response to my last point to you.. Because there are none. This thread is stupid, and you know it

hmm.. but Jiraiya literally told Naruto how to counter it.



You're joking right?

That's how to break a genjutsu, That in no way equates to anyone with good chakra control is immune to genjutus..


Do you not see the part saying "What if it doesn't work"?
Kai isn't a sure proof way of defeating genjutsu, the genjutsu user can increase the strength of the genjutsu making the person incapable of breaking it easily..
Not that this should even be an argument


The "what if it doesn't work" is a part stated by Naruto.. whose chakra control is not even close to Sakura's.....

And I never stated "immune"... I stated Useless. So when was the last time he went against someone with Tsunade level chakra control?

And not to forget that she doesn't need to look at Itachi.....


The time she beat up Jiraiya was presented as a joke.

Tsunade isn't even going to be able to hit Jiraiya.
Mate you sound like a Tsunade Hater....

The time she beat up jiraiya was in a play fight where she broke his ribs while playing.. you really think Jiraiya just took that and didn't try to escape? Jiraiya must have been a retard back then
 
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Itachi is the same guy who said only someone related to him can kill him. So which would make Itachi >> Hashirama amen?

The fact that Jiraiya gave Naruto a counter for Itachi's tsukuyomi and your choosing to ignore it doesn't really look good on your part.

Cold Hard Manga fact is Genjutsu can be broken by Chakra disruption....... When was the last time Itachi faced a Hokage?



hmm.. but Jiraiya literally told Naruto how to counter it.

So why didn't Kakashi break out of Tsukuyomi with his chakra control? His chakra control is MUCH greater than anything Naruto had shown when he "disrupted" Itachi's genjutsu.
 

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Itachi is the same guy who said only someone related to him can kill him. So which would make Itachi >> Hashirama amen?

The fact that Jiraiya gave Naruto a counter for Itachi's tsukuyomi and your choosing to ignore it doesn't really look good on your part.

Cold Hard Manga fact is Genjutsu can be broken by Chakra disruption....... When was the last time Itachi faced a Hokage?



hmm.. but Jiraiya literally told Naruto how to counter it.
..Split second in Tsukuyomi can be however long Itachi wants it to be. She wont even realize shes in Tsukuyomi before its too late.. Get real dude. And you STILL havent given a counter to Amaterasu nor Totsuka
 

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So why didn't Kakashi break out of Tsukuyomi with his chakra control? His chakra control is MUCH greater than anything Naruto had shown when he "disrupted" Itachi's genjutsu.

He's going to argue that Kakashi has shitty chakra control..
Why are people even arguing with this guy?
 
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