[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Mr Hiru]

Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenonuhoko

Izanami and Izanagi are Uchiha Kinjutsu, so Nonuboko seems to be highly related to the Uchiha Clan (the relationship between the sword and the wielders on your source, using manga references to enstablish the relationship of course). I really can't see the connection between this sword/spear and the Uzumaki.

In the other hand, it is proved already that the Hagoromo's Bloodline became the Uchiha and the Senju, so as for the information we have now, the relationship between Nonuboko and the Uchiha Clan is perfectly consistent, so Kishimoto did good passing this sword to Obito.

Furthermore, the Sword is a Sword that is powered by the Soul (Obito talked about the soul/will of the Sage). Again, another consistent relationship, since the Elder Son of the Sage of Six Paths (Uchiha Clan Ancestor) wielded the most Spiritual Energy (eyes) unlike his counterpart who inherited the most Physical Energy (body).

Your theory is plausible, but it is not precisely 'most likely' taking in mind how relationships have been enstablished inside the manga.

PS: Gotta flip some things...

You are forgetting sir that Hagoromo spread his teachings and religion: Ninshuu with other people, it would be absurd for him to teach Ninjutsu to other people when only he himself can wield it, logically, aside from teaching the principles of Chakra, he also gave them Chakra to wield through some mystical means (most probably like how Naruto shared Chakra with the Alliance) . And it is another great falsity that people assume that Hagoromo was the blood ancestor of all Shinobi for this is simply not the case, if the only way for the succeeding generations to acquire Chakra was to be blood related to him, then he need not have spread his teachings to other people, he would've just mated with several women to conceive chakra-infused babies. No, the other present day Shinobi Clans like the Akimichis, Inuzuka, Aburames etc. descended from the Pre-Ninjutsu people/families to whom Hagoromo spread the Teachings of Ninshuu and gave Chakra to. And it is only logical, that aside from people not blood related to him, that Hagoromo would also give Chakra to his own kinsmen/blood relatives: The Ootsutsukis. And aside from that, gave them the secrets of his specialty: Fuuinjutsu, the Fuuinjutsu of the Uzumaki Clan. The Uzumaki and Ootsutsuki bloodline being one and the same.

I had access to the raw of the chapters where it was enstablished the word 'ancestor' who could be used as 'father' or 'founder' when it was applied alone, but the raw was talking about bloodline.

Leaving this aside and from your perspective on this post, we could say as well that the Uzumaki they were the former stundents of the Sage who learned how to control chakra in a rough way. Under this perspective, the Uzumaki didn't come from Hagoromo and his family... using the phrase you just told in there.

 

[Frikid]

Just curious to know.

IF uzumaki are distant blood relatives of senju, they should be distant blood relative of uchiha as well because both of these clan arise from so6p's offspring .
But uzumaki were never stated to be related to the uchiha.

 

[Filo]

Just curious to know.

IF uzumaki are distant blood relatives of senju, they should be distant blood relative of uchiha as well because both of these clan arise from so6p's offspring .
But uzumaki were never stated to be related to the uchiha.

Okay seeing as the original two brothers were the Uchiha and Senju clans then that means if the uzumaki clan is related to one they are automatically related to the other....

 

[Raekwon26]

Do the Uzumaki Clan share ANY traits with the Uchiha Clan?

 

[Bronze]

Sage born and blessed with Juubi's powers:

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Later in life, his bloodline divides into the Uchiha and Senju:

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Senju would later produce the Uzumaki:

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To get the SO6P powers and bloodline, you need Uchiha and Senju:

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Conclusion = Sage was not Uzumaki, he never was and he will never and ever be .

 

[Chatte]

Besides all the proofs you brought here, the most obvious one would be that the Sage sealed the Juubi inside him. I mean, s.e.a.l.e.d. How obvious can it get? And the reincarnation of him is none other than an Uzumaki himself? That's pretty in-your-face if you ask me...

 

[Filo]

Besides all the proofs you brought here, the most obvious one would be that the Sage sealed the Juubi inside him. I mean, s.e.a.l.e.d. How obvious can it get? And the reincarnation of him is none other than an Uzumaki himself? That's pretty in-your-face if you ask me...

Kishi is always in your face though he usually tries to throw off viewers with his words but reveals his true intentions in his artwork. So therefore even though Hagoromo doesnt have uzumaki as his last name his clan probably became the uzumaki clan

 

[Chatte]

Kishi is always in your face though he usually tries to throw off viewers with his words but reveals his true intentions in his artwork. So therefore even though Hagoromo doesnt have uzumaki as his last name his clan probably became the uzumaki clan

Artwork and besides artwork his always left unfinished speeches and all. Many of the scenarios when they were too obvious he took a track using the red-herring device making people believe otherwise yet, in the future, it was reveiled to be initially as he left it seem.

 

[Strict]

It is a fact that Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju. Uzumaki are from the Senju lineage, Rikudo Sennin is the origin of Uchiha and Senju. So it basically means that an Uzumaki divided into Uchiha and Senju or divided the power of the Juubi into Uchiha and Senju, and out of the Senju the Uzumaki, from where the Rikudo Sennin was, arose?

Something's wrong here..

 

[Raekwon26]

Again, do the Uzumaki Clan share any traits with the Uchiha Clan?

 

[Rchan81]

Again, do the Uzumaki Clan share any traits with the Uchiha Clan?

Don't hold your breath... there is no room for doubt in Derp threads.

 

[KillerMongoose]

You are WRONG, you have always been WRONG, and you always will be WRONG!

Jesus Christ your annoying.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Just curious to know.

IF uzumaki are distant blood relatives of senju, they should be distant blood relative of uchiha as well because both of these clan arise from so6p's offspring .
But uzumaki were never stated to be related to the uchiha.

Using Sir Derp Obito's previous theory, that can be explained (not my style to prove things based on theories, but I guess this is necessary in this case). Let me tell in advance Frikid that your questioning is absolutely interesting.

Uzumaki Clan (until now) DO NOT share traits with the Uchiha Clan.

the Younger and Elder Sons are literally the Yin and the Yang of the Juubi created with Creation of All Things like the Bijuus, that is why their powers are so evenly split, it's because their conception was not biological, but mystical.

(I discarded the part about the Uzumaki being the ancestors, since it was already stated in the manga that the true ancestors were the Ōtsutsuki).

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Sir Derp Obito stated in his theory that the Younger Son holds the Yang and the Elder Son the Yin. If Uzumaki Clan is relative to the Senju, Uzumaki Clan can't share ANY trait to the Uchiha, because by rational logic, Senju and Uchiha are mutual exclusive, this means any clan related to the Senju can't be related to the Uchiha, unless at some point they had a relationship between both Elder and Younger Son bloodlines (something that discard the possibility of Hagoromo's bloodline becoming directly the Uzumaki Clan).

Let's play:

A = Younger Son (Senju Ancestor)
B = Elder Son (Uchiha Ancestor)
A + B = Ten Tails Jinchuuriki Sage of Six Paths, the complete entity.
C = Uzumaki

A = !B (The Elder Son is the complement of the Younger Son).

C => A (Uzumaki Clan is distant relative to the Senju)

Ergo...

C => !B (Uzumaki Clan implies it is related only to Non-Uchiha Clan).

... Conclusion: Uchiha Clan is not related to Uzumaki, taking in mind Sir Derp Obito's belief.

And as Amenonuboko is the halbard that was wield by Izanami and Izanagi due the first link Sir Derp Obito posted (and in manga both Izanami and Izanagi are Uchiha Jutsus) then Nonuboko is not related to the Uzumaki. Geez, even Hagoromo would not be directly related to that clan, because he only had two sons.

The manga proof that assures the Senju didn't come from the Uzumaki but the other way is clear...

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Nagato is Uzumaki, but Nagato is from the Senju Bloodline, ERGO...

The Uzumaki came from the Senju Bloodline. It can't be more explicit than that.

:| the end.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

good theory !

 

[Naruto.]

Good theory as always. As usual, you put a lot of effort into it.

 

[Penguin]

I am glad you posted this Derp. Screw them haters. Make them stay irate. They don't even understand how Tobirama solos. U_U

I like the theory as I said in PM. Very plausible.

 

[Raekwon26]

Using Sir Derp Obito's previous theory, that can be explained (not my style to prove things based on theories, but I guess this is necessary in this case). Let me tell in advance Frikid that your questioning is absolutely interesting.

Uzumaki Clan (until now) DO NOT share traits with the Uchiha Clan.



(I discarded the part about the Uzumaki being the ancestors, since it was already stated in the manga that the true ancestors were the Ōtsutsuki).

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Sir Derp Obito stated in his theory that the Younger Son holds the Yang and the Elder Son the Yin. If Uzumaki Clan is relative to the Senju, Uzumaki Clan can't share ANY trait to the Uchiha, because by rational logic, Senju and Uchiha are mutual exclusive, this means any clan related to the Senju can't be related to the Uchiha, unless at some point they had a relationship between both Elder and Younger Son bloodlines (something that discard the possibility of Hagoromo's bloodline becoming directly the Uzumaki Clan).

Let's play:

A = Younger Son (Senju Ancestor)
B = Elder Son (Uchiha Ancestor)
A + B = Ten Tails Jinchuuriki Sage of Six Paths, the complete entity.
C = Uzumaki

A = !B (The Elder Son is the complement of the Younger Son).

C => A (Uzumaki Clan is distant relative to the Senju)

Ergo...

C => !B (Uzumaki Clan implies it is related only to Non-Uchiha Clan).

... Conclusion: Uchiha Clan is not related to Uzumaki, taking in mind Sir Derp Obito's belief.

And as Amenonuboko is the halbard that was wield by Izanami and Izanagi due the first link Sir Derp Obito posted (and in manga both Izanami and Izanagi are Uchiha Jutsus) then Nonuboko is not related to the Uzumaki. Geez, even Hagoromo would not be directly related to that clan, because he only had two sons.

:| the end.

Interesting read.

So, you disagree that the Sage is an Uzumaki.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Interesting read.

So, you disagree that the Sage is an Uzumaki.

Half. I disagree the tribe (Kaguya and her sons) became directly the Uzumaki.

But with the time the Uzumaki were formed, but not directly from the tribe, but through the Senju lineage (Senju + other clan). Uzumaki is distant relative to the Senju after all.

 

[Raekwon26]

Half. I disagree the tribe (Kaguya and her sons) became directly the Uzumaki.

But with the time the Uzumaki were formed, but not directly from the tribe, but through the Senju lineage (Senju + other clan). Uzumaki is distant relative to the Senju after all.

Alright, I see what you mean.

I, fully disagree.
Simply because, no one has ever shown me or posted any evidence of the Uzumaki Clan and Uchiha Clan sharing similar traits.
Until I see that, I won't even consider it a possibility.

 

[Honord Sage]

To dose who say The Uzumaki are only related to the Senju this is false, sines the Eider and Younger brother were related by Blood to their father the SO6P so any relative of the SO6P is relative to the Two Sons. Naruto Uzumaki is a distant cousin to Tsunade Senju and Uchiha Sasuke and Obito.