[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Xlad]

Huh, a really nice read man. It's possible, considering his thing for Japanese Mythology/Buddhism/Shintoism, etc.

Off-Topic: Is this true?

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Ok, so I just tweeted that I finished writing Naruto in 1996 and then I suddenly got a lot of questions about my life and the story. Let me tell you about the manga shortly. I started writing Naruto as a kid, and I kept on adding more and more to the story for almost 10 years... I started with the absolute basis of the story. All I had after 6 years was the main character who had to save his friend form the darkness. I tought: "This is a stupid story, I can't do anything with this. Nobody wants to read this garbage." Because my idols were such great writers (I was a huge fan of Dragon Ball), I decided to give up on my dream of becoming a professional writer. I threw everything I created for my story in my closet and locked it away, so I would never have to see it again...

Then, a lot of stuff happened. I met a lot of new people, I graduated from high school and some people in my family all passed away within 4 months. Even tough I lost my interest in becoming a writer, I still wrote down some of the things that happened in my life, in a diary. A few years later I got a little bit depressed and to calm my emotions I decided to put all the bad things that happened to me in a book. And believe it or not, but it actually helped. I started to feel better after I did that and then I found my first story back in that same closet I threw it in. That's when I felt I just had to write this story. I had to share my emotions with the world. I hired a room for six months and I used those six months to re-write my 'stupid' story. And adding the stuff I wrote in my diary to the story... Naruto the manga was born! I was planning to release it as a book first, but I was also very good at drawing/animating (I learned drawing by looking at the creations of my hero Akira), so I took the advice from my brother Seishi and turned my story Naruto into a manga series.

Right now, I could say that the story is my most precious property ever, because a lot of things that happen in the story, are based on things that happened to me when I was younger. So the Naruto manga is actually my life story, but I'm not like any of the characters you see in the manga. Some people asked me who I can relate to most: well, if I really had to pick someone, I'd say Jiraiya. Why? Because Jiraiya spent his whole life writing, and all of his novels are based on the things he has done in his life. Just like me. So yes, my childhood was pretty complicated but if it wouldn't have been complicated, Naruto wouldn't exist today. Thank you so much (or 'Arrigato' as we say in Japan) for all the support you guys gave to the manga. I hope you guys will always like the story as much as you did when you first read it, and I hope I can keep doing this as long as possible... I love my fans forever, especially those 10,000 fans following me on Twitter! THANK YOU!

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It seems to contradict the original information. Not to mention that this info should have been mentioned in his first interviews when he released Naruto.

 

[rollin]

It's nothing complicated really: a progeny of the Ootsutsukis: Hagoromo, had two children, the Elder and Younger Sons, the Elder Son's descendants became the Uchihas, while the Younger Son's descendants became the Senjus, Hagoromo's Ootsutsuki kinsmen were the apical ancestors of the Uzumaki Clan, thus making the Uzumaki Clan a distant blood relative of Hagoromo's sons descendants. Because the Uzumakis did not descend from Hagoromo or his children but from his Ootsutsuki blood relatives, Hagoromo himself belonging to that heritage: Ootsutsuki/Uzumaki.

Hagormo would be the only person in his tribe to have chakra since he was the first person born with it

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Some people just don't understand this derp. it really is just putting 2 and 2 together

I know, and it's sad really that these things elude them, we shouldn't be surprise if Hagoromo, Kaguya and the Ootsutsukis were the original redheads because they most probably were.

 

[Filo]

I know, and it's sad really that these things elude them, we shouldn't be surprise if Hagoromo, Kaguya and the Ootsutsukis were the original redheads because they most probably were.

kishi is not very complicated. Now that I am rereading the manga it seems anyone who didn't immediately realize that Tobi was Obito after his sharingan is revealed on the same side that Obito had the rock fall on him was naive. Kishimoto always uses words to throw the fans off but reveals his true secrets in his artwork!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hagormo would be the only person in his tribe to have chakra since he was the first person born with it

You are forgetting sir that Hagoromo spread his teachings and religion: Ninshuu with other people, it would be absurd for him to teach Ninjutsu to other people when only he himself can wield it, logically, aside from teaching the principles of Chakra, he also gave them Chakra to wield through some mystical means (most probably like how Naruto shared Chakra with the Alliance) . And it is another great falsity that people assume that Hagoromo was the blood ancestor of all Shinobi for this is simply not the case, if the only way for the succeeding generations to acquire Chakra was to be blood related to him, then he need not have spread his teachings to other people, he would've just mated with several women to conceive chakra-infused babies. No, the other present day Shinobi Clans like the Akimichis, Inuzuka, Aburames etc. descended from the Pre-Ninjutsu people/families to whom Hagoromo spread the Teachings of Ninshuu and gave Chakra to. And it is only logical, that aside from people not blood related to him, that Hagoromo would also give Chakra to his own kinsmen/blood relatives: The Ootsutsukis. And aside from that, gave them the secrets of his specialty: Fuuinjutsu, the Fuuinjutsu of the Uzumaki Clan. The Uzumaki and Ootsutsuki bloodline being one and the same.

 

[Draxus]

You were talking about special attributes. The special attributes of the Uzumaki clan are a strong life force/endurance. The only members with special attributes being the Sage and his mother is illogical, as only two people in a group having power does not make a clan. Perhaps they were the two most powerful of the group; I can see that. Hashirama and Tobirama were the two most powerful of the Senju clan in their time. To have the rest of the Ootsutsuki clan powerless is illogical.

Have you read this manga? The reason ONLY the sage and his mother have special attributes is that SHE ate the Shinju Tree's fruit and became the first person to use chakra. Nothing was ever stated about her clan or her having any special abilities prior. Could they have? Sure, but why assume this?

It's simple. If there was a family before the descendants of The Sage (who were simply his direct sons, while the younger son was the successor), there would be a population of this Royal Family around before chakra was taken by the princess. If the two sons originated both the Senju and the Uchiha clans only, then it logically follows that the Uzumaki clan was another clan altogether. You can piece together the famed fuinjutsu practices the Uzumaki have with the fuinjutsu the Sage used in relation to the defeat of the Juubi and can logically deduce that the Uzumaki clan is the direct practitioners of the Sage's will. The Senju and Uchiha clans went their own separate paths (they were busy killing each other), while the Uzumaki clan was the remains of this original bloodline. It's simple, if you understand Genetics.

The Royal Family is the ancient Ootsutsuki before the accumulation of chakra. Madara referenced a "Princess" which suggests her last name is a royal lineage.

Or the Uzumaki knowledge was handed down just like all of the Sage's jutsu's and knowledge. It doesn't mean the info was given to only his clan or descendants, as he set out to teach the world jutsu. For instance the lightning village has his sacred weapons.

SirDerpObito has a hypothesis derived from support from the manga and the references with which Kishimoto is known to and enjoys making parallels. You do not. Make a hypothesis with equal or greater support from the manga and you will actually be credible in this community.

I would think you might have just not read the part of my post where I told you I did make a thread, but you clearly edited it out. This is a ridiculous assertion anyway, and if you want to read my thread, go check out my "last threads started" in my profile or PM me and I'll link it. I haven't made many. However I don't need to make threads to have a valid opinion, that's just elitist bulls***. Do movie critics need to be directors? Do music critics need to be composers?

Really? You know what the Uzumaki's origin is? You know where they came from? Of course, "being distant blood relatives of the Senju" is moot, considering both your and Obito's points have this piece of lore already in mind. But go right ahead, make my day: post manga facts where the origin of the Uzumaki clan is.

Obito already posted it. Zetsu stated they are of the Senju linage. That's it! Why does it need some grandiose origin story? This is why I call Derp's "theories" fan fiction. It sounds cool, but just not true.

Naruto is clearly referencing Taoist/Buddhist/Shintoist religions/customs/practices/traditions.

again... that has no baring at all on the plot. Just naming & design themes.

 

[Cammo]

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Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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From an Manga in-universe perspective, this could give a possible hint of how the Otsutsuki Tribe became the Uzumaki Clan

Amenunuhoko was used to create the mythical Onogoro Island which became the abode of Izanami and Izanagi:

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The island was said to be located in one of the islands near Awajishima, where the Naruto strait and Naruto whirlpools are located (between Awajishima and Shikoku)

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This is most probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Uzu no Kuni or Uzushiogakure

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Like I hypothesized before, the Otsutsuki bloodline and the Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same, the surname simply changed over time, but the bloodline remains the same:

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Hagoromo, when he refashioned the world, used the sword to create Uzushio and placed the Otsutsuki Kingdom/Tribe there, only then did they assume the name of the Uzumaki Clan inspired from their new abode. This was probably done as a way to isolate them for their safety since they were the keepers of Rikudou's seals:

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Good Theory as always Bro


i hope Armathyx doesn't come into this thread ....... he will turn this thread into a S*** Storm !

even so i support sir derps theory's

 

[rollin]

You are forgetting sir that Hagoromo spread his teachings and religion: Ninshuu with other people, it would be absurd for him to teach Ninjutsu to other people when only he himself can wield it, logically, aside from teaching the principles of Chakra, he also gave them Chakra to wield through some mystical means (most probably like how Naruto shared Chakra with the Alliance) . And it is another great falsity that people assume that Hagoromo was the blood ancestor of all Shinobi for this is simply not the case, if the only way for the succeeding generations to acquire Chakra was to be blood related to him, then he need not have spread his teachings to other people, he would've just mated with several women to conceive chakra-infused babies. No, the other present day Shinobi Clans like the Akimichis, Inuzuka, Aburames etc. descended from the Pre-Ninjutsu people/families to whom Hagoromo spread the Teachings of Ninshuu and gave Chakra to. And it is only logical, that Hagoromo would also give Chakra to his own kinsmen: The Ootsutsukis. And aside from that, gave them the secrets of his specialty: Fuuinjutsu.

uzumaki's have the bodies to handle being the kurama's jin because of their incredible life-force that can only be inherited from the sage himself because the sage got his chakra from the fruit which comes from the juubi
if the sage would have gave out chakra or if even people had chakra it wouldn't only be incredible life-force

 

[davidou]

It's nothing complicated really: a progeny of the Ootsutsukis: Hagoromo, had two children, the Elder and Younger Sons, the Elder Son's descendants became the Uchihas, while the Younger Son's descendants became the Senjus, Hagoromo's Ootsutsuki kinsmen were the apical ancestors of the Uzumaki Clan, thus making the Uzumaki Clan a distant blood relative of Hagoromo's sons descendants. Because the Uzumakis did not descend from Hagoromo or his children but from his Ootsutsuki blood relatives, Hagoromo himself belonging to that heritage: Ootsutsuki/Uzumaki.

You made me laught.
It's not complicated really , the first Uzumaki is a guy.Hmmm , really?
Kinsman , can you be more vague please?And where did you saw that?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

uzumaki's have the bodies to handle being the kurama's jin because of their incredible life-force that can only be inherited from the sage himself because the sage got his chakra from the fruit which comes from the juubi
if the sage would have gave out chakra or if even people had chakra it wouldn't only be incredible life-force

There are variations of powers developed exclusive to different bloodlines called KKG, these things were formed exclusively within a specific family/group of people after successive generations, Hagoromo gave Chakra to other people, and the families of these people molded this raw chakra which gave birth to their family exclusive traits. Ultimately, it is contradictory to propose that all Shinobis are blood descendants of the Sage because this is simply not the case. Rikudou was not Adam.

 

[headbanger666]

Awesome theory as always Sir derp Obito.
You are one amongst the few people on the base who actually use their brains and their theories make sense.
I would've rep'd you but i need to spread it first.

 

[D R E X]

I agree with you man but some butthurt fanboys can't except that until raw evidence is shown to em .

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I agree with you man but some butthurt fanboys can't except that until raw evidence is shown to em .

Thank you, it has never been my intention to elevate one character or clan over another, I am simply seeking the hidden truths of the Manga.

 

[Siva Deepan]

Excellent theory Derp totally agree with u

 

[Honord Sage]

Names do change over time it's a hobby of mine to look at how names change over time and what was the original meaning of the name. In Europe peasants in the Middle ages did not have Surnames,Surnames is Sir and only Nobility had Surnames and people of Clans average people had only their First Name at some point and time people were being call by their profession,their trade. English Name Smith is short for Black smith. And the trade you know you pass that to your son so He too was a Black Smith. Names like Guzman in Spanish come from Gothic Gotmann in English Goodman. Also look at Place Names of lakes and villages their Names mutated by invasion in England Celtic names were adopted and change to Saxon (Old English) to Norman English to Modern English. This happens in every language in the world over time names change so do their meanings.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

cool theory. (not that i agree even a bit). But was funn to read!




WAIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT There is a country called "wood country"????





Sadly your mixin the bloodlines with the clans themselves, like usual.

Sadly no they aren't a cousin clan to the Uchiha. Because Uzumaki are PART senju. While the Senju are full Senjus. Uzumaki clan has only been related to the Senju clan. Both clans have the lineage called the "senju lineage"

Have you ever considered that when the sage made the younger son his successor, the older brother cut all ties with the younger brother and his father's clan?

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

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SO6P IS NOT AN UZUMAKI

lmao XD :Omg:O_O

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Good theory man . This can be possible as kaguya can be the princess of land of whirlpools who were sent to main land to marry the father of hogoromo like Mito uzumaki was sent to marry hashirama . .

 

[Mateush]

Now that's a good theory. I actually loved it =D

 

[Rchan81]

Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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From a Manga in-universe perspective, this could give a possible hint of how the Otsutsuki Tribe became the Uzumaki Clan

Amenunuhoko was used to create the mythical Onogoro Island which became the abode of Izanami and Izanagi:

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The island was said to be located in one of the islands near Awajishima, where the Naruto strait and Naruto whirlpools are located (between Awajishima and Shikoku)

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This is most probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Uzu no Kuni or Uzushiogakure

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Like I hypothesized before, the Otsutsuki bloodline and the Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same, the surname simply changed over time, but the bloodline remains the same:

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Hagoromo, when he refashioned the world, used the sword to create Uzushio and placed the Otsutsuki Kingdom/Tribe there, only then did they assume the name of the Uzumaki Clan inspired from their new abode. This was probably done as a way to isolate them for their safety since they were the keepers of Rikudou's seals:

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How can you assume the Amenonuhoko SPEAR/NAGINTA was the inspiration for Nunoboko SWORD?

It is possible for the Onogoro island to be the inspiration for Uzushiogakure, but where does any of that connect to the Sof6P.

You like to cite things that could possibly be related and jump to SO6P = Uzumaki. When in fact, they don't correlate.