[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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From a Manga in-universe perspective, this could give a possible hint of how the Otsutsuki Tribe became the Uzumaki Clan

Amenunuhoko was used to create the mythical Onogoro Island which became the abode of Izanami and Izanagi:

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The island was said to be located in one of the islands near Awajishima, where the Naruto strait and Naruto whirlpools are located (between Awajishima and Shikoku)

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This is most probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Uzu no Kuni or Uzushiogakure

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Like I hypothesized before, the Otsutsuki bloodline and the Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same, the surname simply changed over time, but the bloodline remains the same:

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Hagoromo, when he refashioned the world, used the sword to create Uzushio and placed the Otsutsuki Kingdom/Tribe there, only then did they assume the name of the Uzumaki Clan inspired from their new abode. This was probably done as a way to isolate them for their safety since they were the keepers of Rikudou's seals:

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[Sherlock.]

I think it's plausible and it might be revealed that the Otsutsuki Family had to change their name to Uzumaki.... It kinda makes sense for them to change name and probably relocate to a place where no or very few could reach (An island surrounded by large Whirlpools) after their princess committed a forbidden act (eating the fruit and bringing a curse on humanity).... =D =D

 

[Filo]

As soon as I saw the title I knew it was you but why did you post this so late at night for the east coast! I almost missed it! Anyway you already know I agree with you!

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I was wondering what the blade's significance was, especially since Obito pulled it out without so much as a prior mention to it. Usually when you think of swords you think of destruction and removal, so I was distraught that the Sage created such a thing before looking at this. Prior, I totally thought the sword's creation ruined his image Lol

 

[chad062388]

A great theory as always Derp
It's been to long since I've read a theory of yours

 

[A$AP Wap]

I was wondering what the blade's significance was, especially since Obito pulled it out without so much as a prior mention to it. Usually when you think of swords you think of destruction and removal, so I was distraught that the Sage created such a thing before looking at this. Prior, I totally thought the sword's creation ruined his image Lol

That's a list of who all Solo's Itachi. -facepalm-

 

[Draxus]

Yeah okay... no.

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.

It has already been stated in the manga that Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, not of the Sage or of the Uchiha. Clearly the Uzumaki share some of the same lineage as the Senju especially when you consider their life force.

Most people would just admit they are wrong when prove incorrect. But not Derp, he just keeps plugging away with the same theory repackaged and twist manga facts to make them fit; and then people eat it up like it's fact. However it's just great fan fiction.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.

Not the high life force/endurance, or the closely-guarded secrets of fuinjutsu?

It has already been stated in the manga that Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, not of the Sage or of the Uchiha. Clearly the Uzumaki share some of the same lineage as the Senju especially when you consider their life force.

The manga is clearly referencing modern Uzumaki and Senju. Remember that Uchiha and Senju originated from the two sons (and there had to be a population of the descendants to even be considered a clan), while The Royal Family was already alive.

Most people would just admit they are wrong when prove incorrect. But not Derp, he just keeps plugging away with the same theory repackaged and twist manga facts to make them fit; and then people eat it up like it's fact. However it's just great fan fiction.

Do you deny Kishimoto's parallels to Buddhism/Shintoism/Taoism and popular landmarks? Because they've been referenced before without significant trouble. To defeat a hypothesis, you must have a hypothesis of your own with equal or greater support for it. All I see is empty skepticism.

 

[Filo]

Yeah okay... no.

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.

It has already been stated in the manga that Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, not of the Sage or of the Uchiha. Clearly the Uzumaki share some of the same lineage as the Senju especially when you consider their life force.

Most people would just admit they are wrong when prove incorrect. But not Derp, he just keeps plugging away with the same theory repackaged and twist manga facts to make them fit; and then people eat it up like it's fact. However it's just great fan fiction.

DO you realize what you just said? Okay so the Senju and the Uchiha clans started from the sons of the so6p sooooo if Uzumaki is distantly related to senju that must also mean they are related to the Uchiha.... wow

 

[rollin]

uzumaki's only have life-force which makes them have incredible recovery power
the sage had life-force,physical energies and spiritual energies
it takes naruto all of kurama's yang chakra to combine with his uzumaki yang chakra just to be comparable to hashirama(who represents the younger son)

the ootsusuki tribe became the uzumaki clan through the senju clan

 

[Draxus]

Not the high life force/endurance, or the closely-guarded secrets of fuinjutsu?

This question makes no sense, in relation the sentence you quoted.

The manga is clearly referencing modern Uzumaki and Senju. Remember that Uchiha and Senju originated from the two sons (and there had to be a population of the descendants to even be considered a clan), while The Royal Family was already alive.

Again this is not a counter to my point, and really makes little sense. I know they are referencing modern Uzumaki and Senju, wtf did you think I thought they were referencing? What does the "royal family" being alive have to do with the Uzumaki being mentioned as specifically relatives of the Senju?

Do you deny Kishimoto's parallels to Buddhism/Shintoism/Taoism and popular landmarks? Because they've been referenced before without significant trouble. To defeat a hypothesis, you must have a hypothesis of your own with equal or greater support for it. All I see is empty skepticism.

What do you mean "a greather hypothesis"? The manga has already given us the truth about the origins of the Uzumaki, Derp is trying to create doubt in order to fit what he images the manga should be. As for the Sage's family, I did create a thread on that and it's actually backed up by manga facts. Though parallels exist, Naruto is far from a japanese parable and there aren't any examples of the influence going beyond naming themes.

DO you realize what you just said? Okay so the Senju and the Uchiha clans started from the sons of the so6p sooooo if Uzumaki is distantly related to senju that must also mean they are related to the Uchiha.... wow

Yes I do realize... did you read past that sentance or just stopped there? Because if you had continued you would understand that what I said was NOT a contradiction. The fact that they were mentioned as relatives of Senju and not the Sage or the Uchiha is that they are more closely related to the Senju.... wow U_U

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It is a great falsity and conjecture by saying the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son for it was clearly specified that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis:

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Those who argue that "maybe the Senjus also had descendants which became the Uzumakis" is a baseless conjecture and very much contradictory to Manga Canon since the Uzumakis were only distant blood relatives of the Senjus:

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If the Uzumakis were an off-shoot of the Senjus then they would be close blood relatives with them, same thing if they were a sibling clan to the Senjus, they would be close blood relatives, even closer blood relatives than the Uchihas are to the Senjus which is contradictory to Manga Canon.

And Zetsu's statement has grossly been misinterpreted, for Lineage simply means blood relationship/consanguinity, not pertaining to descent:

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And even the Raw supports this when Zetsu said the word Ketsuen in Japanese meaning blood relationship:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

If the Uzumakis are distantly related to the Senjus then they are also distantly related to the Uchihas, the Uzumakis are a cousin clan to both Uchihas and Senjus.

The Uzumaki and Ootsutsuki Bloodline are one and the same.

 

[KingHashirama]

cool theory. (not that i agree even a bit). But was funn to read!




WAIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT There is a country called "wood country"????

It is a great falsity and conjecture by saying the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son for it was clearly specified that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis:

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Those who argue that "maybe the Senjus also had descendants which became the Uzumakis" is a baseless conjecture and very much contradictory to Manga Canon since the Uzumakis were only distant blood relatives of the Senjus:

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If the Uzumakis were an off-shoot of the Senjus then they would be close blood relatives with them, same thing if they were a sibling clan to the Senjus, they would be close blood relatives, even closer blood relatives than the Uchihas are to the Senjus which is contradictory to Manga Canon.

If the Uzumakis are distantly related to the Senjus then they are also distantly related to the Uchihas, the Uzumakis are a cousin clan to both Uchihas and Senjus.

Sadly your mixin the bloodlines with the clans themselves, like usual.

Sadly no they aren't a cousin clan to the Uchiha. Because Uzumaki are PART senju. While the Senju are full Senjus. Uzumaki clan has only been related to the Senju clan. Both clans have the lineage called the "senju lineage"

 

[Draxus]

Sadly no they aren't a cousin clan to the Uchiha. Because Uzumaki are PART senju. While the Senju are full Senjus. Uzumaki clan has only been related to the Senju clan. Both clans have the lineage called the "senju lineage"

Yes! Thank you! Someone who can form a logical thought on their own!

It is a great falsity and conjecture by saying the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son for it was clearly specified that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis:

No it doesn't say "only" at all.

Those who argue that "maybe the Senjus also had descendants which became the Uzumakis" is a baseless conjecture and very much contradictory to Manga Canon since the Uzumakis were only distant blood relatives of the Senjus:

If the Uzumakis were an off-shoot of the Senjus then they would be close blood relatives with them, same thing if they were a sibling clan to the Senjus, they would be close blood relatives, even closer blood relatives than the Uchihas are to the Senjus which is contradictory to Manga Canon.

And Zetsu's statement has grossly been misinterpreted, for Lineage simply means blood relationship/consanguinity, not pertaining to descent:

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And even the Raw supports this when Zetsu said the word Ketsuen in Japanese meaning blood relationship:




If the Uzumakis are distantly related to the Senjus then they are also distantly related to the Uchihas, the Uzumakis are a cousin clan to both Uchihas and Senjus.

The Uzumaki and Ootsutsuki Bloodline are one and the same.

More stating opinion as fact and cleaver wordplay! Nice move defining consanguinity instead of lineage. However lineage does mean lineal descent from an ancestor. So the Senju and the Uchiha have a shared ancestor as there are of the Sage's lineage. However the Senju are from a bloodline quite removed from the that of the younger son's and the Uzumaki descend from this same pool. Uzumaki are of shoots of the Younger son's direct descendants, and are far too removed from the Uchiha to be considered be of the same lineage.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

cool theory. (not that i agree even a bit). But was funn to read!



Sadly your mixin the bloodlines with the clans themselves, like usual.

Sadly no they aren't a cousin clan to the Uchiha. Because Uzumaki are PART senju. While the Senju are full Senjus. Uzumaki clan has only been related to the Senju clan. Both clans have the lineage called the "senju lineage"

Not really, DeadManWonderland who has extensive knowledge on Genealogy already pointed out, more than a year ago, that the Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage of the Six Paths based on Zetsu's statement:

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The beginning of the tree starts with the sage of six paths he gives birth to two sons which branch off into to distinct branches while the uzumaki branch is left untainted which finally proves that the uzumaki are the original blood inheritance of the sage.To all of those who were skeptical of the whole idea and were not sure of what to think before hand i hope this clears things up for you

The original bloodline, is the Uzumaki bloodline, the Ootsutsuki and Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same.

 

[Sir Blades]

You already know my response Sir Derp =D

 

[FreakensteinAG]

This question makes no sense, in relation the sentence you quoted.

You were talking about special attributes. The special attributes of the Uzumaki clan are a strong life force/endurance. The only members with special attributes being the Sage and his mother is illogical, as only two people in a group having power does not make a clan. Perhaps they were the two most powerful of the group; I can see that. Hashirama and Tobirama were the two most powerful of the Senju clan in their time. To have the rest of the Ootsutsuki clan powerless is illogical.

Again this is not a counter to my point, and really makes little sense. I know they are referencing modern Uzumaki and Senju, wtf did you think I thought they were referencing? What does the "royal family" being alive have to do with the Uzumaki being mentioned as specifically relatives of the Senju?

It's simple. If there was a family before the descendants of The Sage (who were simply his direct sons, while the younger son was the successor), there would be a population of this Royal Family around before chakra was taken by the princess. If the two sons originated both the Senju and the Uchiha clans only, then it logically follows that the Uzumaki clan was another clan altogether. You can piece together the famed fuinjutsu practices the Uzumaki have with the fuinjutsu the Sage used in relation to the defeat of the Juubi and can logically deduce that the Uzumaki clan is the direct practitioners of the Sage's will. The Senju and Uchiha clans went their own separate paths (they were busy killing each other), while the Uzumaki clan was the remains of this original bloodline. It's simple, if you understand Genetics.

The Royal Family is the ancient Ootsutsuki before the accumulation of chakra. Madara referenced a "Princess" which suggests her last name is a royal lineage.

What do you mean "a greather hypothesis"

SirDerpObito has a hypothesis derived from support from the manga and the references with which Kishimoto is known to and enjoys making parallels. You do not. Make a hypothesis with equal or greater support from the manga and you will actually be credible in this community.

The manga has already given us the truth about the origins of the Uzumaki

Really? You know what the Uzumaki's origin is? You know where they came from? Of course, "being distant blood relatives of the Senju" is moot, considering both your and Obito's points have this piece of lore already in mind. But go right ahead, make my day: post manga facts where the origin of the Uzumaki clan is.

Though parallels exist, Naruto is far from a japanese parable

Naruto is clearly referencing Taoist/Buddhist/Shintoist religions/customs/practices/traditions.

 

[davidou]

Yeah okay... no.

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.

It has already been stated in the manga that Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, not of the Sage or of the Uchiha. Clearly the Uzumaki share some of the same lineage as the Senju especially when you consider their life force.

Most people would just admit they are wrong when prove incorrect. But not Derp, he just keeps plugging away with the same theory repackaged and twist manga facts to make them fit; and then people eat it up like it's fact. However it's just great fan fiction.

I totally agree with you.


A lot of hypothesis would fit the story , if you find all of them , you'll have the one,good luck.
We don't have enough elements to make a good guess.
I would love to know the story now , but we'll have to wait for Kishimoto's draws.


We have the incomplete story of uchiha clan , senju clan.
When we'll have the story of Hagoromo Ootsutsuki and the Uzumaki clan , the story about humans with chakra will be pretty much complete.
So , Kishimoto is going to make us wait.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's nothing complicated really: a progeny of the Ootsutsukis: Hagoromo, had two children, the Elder and Younger Sons, the Elder Son's descendants became the Uchihas, while the Younger Son's descendants became the Senjus, Hagoromo's Ootsutsuki kinsmen were the apical ancestors of the Uzumaki Clan, thus making the Uzumaki Clan a distant blood relative of Hagoromo's sons descendants. Because the Uzumakis did not descend from Hagoromo or his children but from his Ootsutsuki blood relatives, Hagoromo himself belonging to that heritage: Ootsutsuki/Uzumaki.

 

[Filo]

It's nothing complicated really: a progeny of the Ootsutsukis: Hagoromo, had two children, the Elder and Younger Sons, the Elder Son's descendants became the Uchihas, while the Younger Son's descendants became the Senjus, Hagoromo's Ootsutsuki kinsmen were the apical ancestors of the Uzumaki Clan, thus making the Uzumaki Clan a distant blood relative of Hagoromo's sons descendants. Because the Uzumakis did not descend from Hagoromo or his children but from his Ootsutsuki blood relatives, Hagoromo himself belonging to that heritage: Ootsutsuki/Uzumaki.

Some people just don't understand this derp. it really is just putting 2 and 2 together