How strong is this version of Itachi?

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That is your opinion, but I disagree. He is Kage-level skilled at best.

Being above means Eight Gate Gai level or Juubi Jinchuuriki level.

LOL WTF ?! No. Those dog shit kages couldnt even handle ems madara that was toying with them, they struggled to kill early kage summit sasuke and even failed to take down kcm naruto from joining the war. There is definitely plenty of room to put itachi above kage lvl and still not be top tier.
 

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LOL WTF ?! No. Those dog shit kages couldnt even handle ems madara that was toying with them, they struggled to kill early kage summit sasuke and even failed to take down kcm naruto from joining the war. There is definitely plenty of room to put itachi above kage lvl and still not be top tier.

This.
 

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LOL WTF ?! No. Those dog shit kages couldnt even handle ems madara that was toying with them, they struggled to kill early kage summit sasuke and even failed to take down kcm naruto from joining the war. There is definitely plenty of room to put itachi above kage lvl and still not be top tier.

This is Itachi without Yata and Totsuka. Going against Five Kage with a measly MS is nothing compared to Madara with Rinnegan and Hashirama cells.

You people are comparing apples to orange's. Just face his at his limitations especially since with his health problems.
 

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This is Itachi without Yata and Totsuka. Going against Five Kage with a measly MS is nothing compared to Madara with Rinnegan and Hashirama cells.

You people are comparing apples to orange's. Just face his at his limitations especially since with his health problems.

Tsukuyomi ends all of them
 

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Actually tobimara knows more.

But we talking among the Kage.

I highly doubt Tobirama knows more than Orochimaru. Knowing the progression to the Rinnegan already puts Orochimaru ahead.

But my point stands that knowing about the Sharingan or how Genjutsu works doesn't mean you won't get murdered by it twice.
 

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How strong is Itachi if he just depends on his own abilities?

That means no yata, totsuka, or KA.

Those are his abilities. Though Itachi is more than just those, so he'd be quite strong.
 

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I highly doubt Tobirama knows more than Orochimaru. Knowing the progression to the Rinnegan already puts Orochimaru ahead.

But my point stands that knowing about the Sharingan or how Genjutsu works doesn't mean you won't get murdered by it twice.

Like Hashirama. OK.
 

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This is Itachi without Yata and Totsuka. Going against Five Kage with a measly MS is nothing compared to Madara with Rinnegan and Hashirama cells.

You people are comparing apples to orange's. Just face his at his limitations especially since with his health problems.

Smh no. Apple and orange is sasuke and naruto. This is not one of them. Amaterasu did little good against the kages, it was mostly susanoo doing the work, itachi had a superior susanoo at the time, is smarter, fast react feats with speed and has usage with shadow and clone crows w/ gen. There is no reason itachi should have a harder time even with lower stamina.
 

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Stronger than Obito, even if we count the fanfic of the retard in my sig tbh. Crow clone GG
 

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Smh no. Apple and orange is sasuke and naruto. This is not one of them. Amaterasu did little good against the kages, it was mostly susanoo doing the work, itachi had a superior susanoo at the time, is smarter, fast react feats with speed and has usage with shadow and clone crows w/ gen. There is no reason itachi should have a harder time even with lower stamina.

OK, I get it I was wrong for saying that. But.. Now you betting everything on Susanoo? Its like you see his chances are slim and your finding ways where he possibly perform better.

Susanoo is can destroyed. Tsuande and Ooonoki proven that.


No one in Hashirama's time had genjutsu capabilities comparable to Itachi. But I'm not the one stating Itachi defeats Hashirama.

Itachi has Tsukuyomi, which is cast by eye contact and only broken by Uchiha. Yes, no one can break that. But against Kage who van battle that, that's something not easy to pull off IMO.
 

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Itachi has Tsukuyomi, which is cast by eye contact and only broken by Uchiha. Yes, no one can break that. But against Kage who van battle that, that's something not easy to pull off IMO.

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Onoki's intimate knowledge sure didn't prevent Gaara from potential genjutsu here.

But I digress. I don't have an opinion on this debate. There's no reason to believe that knowing about Uchiha's eye capabilities helps at all.

Gai and Kabuto are the only ones who can canonically fight without eye contact for certain. Orochimaru knew not to, and he was trapped twice. Deidara knew not to, and he was caught 3 times (iirc), Minato knew not to, but he looked in Obito's eyes multiple times, Cee also had intimate knowledge of Itachi's abilities, yet fell for Sasuke's genjutsu.

The point is knowledge and experience don't mean shit if you don't have Gai's or Kabuto's abilities. But I don't care enough to respond further, this is not my fight.
 
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OK, I get it I was wrong for saying that. But.. Now you betting everything on Susanoo? Its like you see his chances are slim and your finding ways where he possibly perform better.

Susanoo is can destroyed. Tsuande and Ooonoki proven that.




Itachi has Tsukuyomi, which is cast by eye contact and only broken by Uchiha. Yes, no one can break that. But against Kage who van battle that, that's something not easy to pull off IMO.

I'm not sure if you caught on yet, but most of these amazing feats against sharingan users is usually when they rarely if not at all used genjutsu in battle. and when they finally decide to use their weak genjutsu, it drastically changes the fight into their favor. itachi is not one of those users, his gen is more consistently used and is strong. in his bout against kakashi and naruto, the fight ends relatively fast and that was just itachi with 3T (no killing intent). susanoo w/ genjutsu should be enough to take them out in time. I'm not saying itachi could take them all out at once, i'm simply saying in the same circumstances sasuke was in, itachi should be able to successfully put it off. he made a joke out of 3 elite jounins with just genjutsu and shadow clone, I can't even imagine what a serious killing intent itachi is capable of.
 
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Yata and Totsuka are his Susanoo how the hell is that not his ability
 
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