How illogical were the Uchiha?

[shelke]

Danzo was a selfish man with a desire for power and the seat of hokage, the only people who pose a threat to him was the Uchiha because he wanted the power of both the Uchiha and Senju, the Uchiha would be in his way and he wanted Sharingan for his pursuit of the seat of Hokage and the power to control the Kyuubi.



No I don't remember this, scans?

Right now? Lol

Should be in Sasuke's memories during his Valley of the end fight with Naruto. Before the fight, actually.

Never mind, it was Sasuke:

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- And from the looks of the other Clan members, one can rule out more MSs in my opinion.

 

[The Necromancer]

That still doesnt make any sense, you kill em you take out half your army and leave yourself open for an invasion from another village. Danzo wasnt that dumb.

It's that or you lose 99% of your forces fighting a civil war. The decision made was the best decision.

@Bold, Danzo said, Civil war was irrelevant.

Plus, it was a overreacted excuse by the elders. Unless you also expect a clan who decoted their entire clan to the safety of the village.. to actually cause a civil war.. then so be it..

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[RedRobin]

Danzo was a selfish man with a desire for power and the seat of hokage, the only people who pose a threat to him was the Uchiha because he wanted the power of both the Uchiha and Senju, the Uchiha would be in his way and he wanted Sharingan for his pursuit of the seat of Hokage and the power to control the Kyuubi.

Yeas he was selfish but he didnt want to destroy the leaf, if the force of the Uchiha made half the army the massacre would not have happened.

U guys overhype the village so much, the only real threats are Gai, Kakashi, and Danzo

Hirzuen, Yamato, Hizashi, Hiashi, Inochi, Shikaku, Chouza, there are alot of threats.

 

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeas he was selfish but he didnt want to destroy the leaf, if the force of the Uchiha made half the army the massacre would not have happened.



Hirzuen, Yamato, Hizashi, Hiashi, Inochi, Shikaku, Chouza, there are alot of threats.

Itachi beats all of them at once

 

[Vandenre1ch]

The Uchiha were desperate and had the overall element of suprise on their hands since the Leaf higher-ups didn't know when they would attack. Hiruzen and Danzo knew that the Uchiha would lose but the leaf would suffer HEAVY damage. They'd be in no condition to fight off a whole village.

Anyways, the Uchiha could have just accepted Hiruzen's multiple peace treaties and lived. The Uchiha were more ignorant than illogical.

 

[Tera Path]

I am not even talking about the anime did you not read the OP?

You literally just described the latest Anime episode.
I don't know what OP is other than over powered.

And the fact that you have this timing, with this topic just strongly says ''i decided to make this thread with this idea because i just watched the latest Naruto episode''.

And what do you mean that their overestimation of their power was their downfall?
They got assassinated by 2 people way beyond their caliber at night, only 2 people who actually knew that they were getting murdered was Itachi's parents, because he literally told them 1 minute before he killed them.

 

[LeSauce]

No, they weren't out of their minds and the elders knew that.
The fact that they viewed them as such a threat, even when there were a bunch of other clans in the village shows how much power fhey held.

They wouldn't have won, but i'm sure that the village would have suffered greatly. They even thought it would allow the other villages to easily take over.

And that's just a whole bunch of 3-tomoe users, i think.

 

[LeSauce]

No, they weren't out of their minds and the elders knew that.
The fact that they viewed them as such a threat, even when there were a bunch of other clans in the village shows how much power fhey held.

They wouldn't have won, but i'm sure that the village would have suffered greatly. They even thought it would allow the other villages to easily take over.

And that's just a whole bunch of 3-tomoe users, i think.

 

[Sageflash]

8 year old base Madara merks

Toothpick clone, Genma sodomizes

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[KingHashirama]

It's that or you lose 99% of your forces fighting a civil war. The decision made was the best decision.



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Itachi didn't choose the genocide because of that.. he chose it because he forced from both sides.... Obito and Danzo.. Killing the Uchiha = Save the village from Obito's attack (MAdara's) attack...

 

[RedRobin]

You literally just described the latest Anime episode.
I don't know what OP is other than over powered.

And the fact that you have this timing, with this topic just strongly says ''i decided to make this thread with this idea because i just watched the latest Naruto episode''.

And what do you mean that their overestimation of their power was their downfall?
They got assassinated by 2 people way beyond their caliber at night, only 2 people who actually knew that they were getting murdered was Itachi's parents, because he literally told them 1 minute before he killed them.

Still had nothing to do with the anime and its actual Naruto Discussion. I thought OP also stood for "original post"

They overestimated their power, meaning had they went up against the leaf I doubt they would have won, meaning all of this talk of rebellion was overestimating their power.

 

[Tarinth]

It's because they believed that Shisui and Itachi would stand on their side in the battle. And those
two would make a huge difference. Just imagine koto amatsuking the third hokage onto their side.
Although even with Shisui and Itachi helping, they probably would've lost, they would've been awfully
close and left the village just as devestated as when Pain blew up the village. Except then, there
would be no one to revive all of the dead.

 

[RedRobin]

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Itachi didn't choose the genocide because of that.. he chose it because he forced from both sides.... Obito and Danzo.. Killing the Uchiha = Save the village from Obito's attack (MAdara's) attack...

See Danzo knew the leaf wold crush them.

 

[Dantee]

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Itachi didn't choose the genocide because of that.. he chose it because he forced from both sides.... Obito and Danzo.. Killing the Uchiha = Save the village from Obito's attack (MAdara's) attack...

That's not entirely true. It was just more of Danzo manipulation. Even Hiruzen knew there was truth to the Uchihas revolting causing a civil war/world wa. Itachi isn't an idiot and so isn't Hiruzen.

 

[KingHashirama]

See Danzo knew the leaf wold crush them.

Mhmm.. ROOT and so on.

Problem is there is something he didn't realize until his death.. and that was the will of fire.. something that burnt stronger inside the Uchiha than in Danzo.. those who follow it, are connected..

Why must the be all killed? Even if the war doesn't happen? Because he loses all political power and stance.. why did he go out of his way to make deals with Obito.. ? Hanzo? Political F*cking power.

Uchiha were completely logical.. unless you know their plan we can't say they were "illogical"..

That's not entirely true. It was just more of Danzo manipulation. Even Hiruzen knew there was truth to the Uchihas revolting causing a civil war/world wa. Itachi isn't an idiot and so isn't Hiruzen.

50% chance of everything.

Itachi isn't an idiot.. but he was a child.. and then as an adult regretted his actions

Hiruzen.. please don't bring him in.. I really don't feel like putting old man Hiruzen down.. but he is the worst Hokage Konoha had.. i can't say anything else.

Itachi was forced by Obito more than Danzo.. just so you know.

And what isn't entirely true? Danzo himself saying the war doesn't matter?

Danzo was the first one to bring up the war as i recall..

 

[FatherOfMurder]

Ikr? The hyūga would one-shot them in 2.8 seconds

 

[Stark]

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Itachi didn't choose the genocide because of that.. he chose it because he forced from both sides.... Obito and Danzo.. Killing the Uchiha = Save the village from Obito's attack (MAdara's) attack...

Danzo is a master manipulator and a liar, deceitful as always persuading Itachi cause he knew he needed him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Danzo is a master manipulator and a liar, deceitful as always persuading Itachi cause he knew he needed him.

So how does that mean, he didn't say war didn't matter?

Clearly.. the logic way of "manipulation" is to tell someone that there would be war..

Danzo didn't "manipulate" Itachi.. he was straight forward with him here.. Face to face straight forward on what he was planning and going to do.. unless of course you can provide a source of that manipulation..

 

[Untamed]

I guess they were gonna do it in the night and they would have done great damage considering Itachi/Obito (only 2) got rid of the whole clan except Sasuke. Unless Itachi/Obito were sneaking into houses (instead of knocking on doors cuz that makes noise) and asking for sugar or had some important urgent news from the Head of the Uchiha.

 

[Mahesvara]

All I hear are assumptions people, you gotta use facts from the manga to prove your point. The only MS users were Itach, Shisui, Kakashi, and Obito. Saying the entire Uchiha clan would just have spamed Izanmi and Izanagi is stupid if they could it wouldn't have been so easy for Obito and Itachi to slaughter them all even if it was a surprise attack.