How Hashirama can defend/counter the six paths.

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well,i didn't say "a forest",i said a "forest just as big as a village":flaw:

about the machine part,u're wrong!the machine allows nagato to control more than one body,which in turn allows co-ordinated vision!you do know the part where naruto seperates one of the pains to obstruct the co-ordinated vision the pains share!

for eg:tendo pain can sense danger to himself by the means of his fellow pains!if nagato had all the powers concentrated in him,ofcourse it would give him immense power,but he won't have co-ordinated vision like when he's in 6 bodies!as u said,it also acts a life support for him!xd

as for the shinra tensei,i guess i was wrong........:D

about the hashirama's skills not yet discovered fully,i said it cauz ......well.....:D.....cauz u were undermining hashirama saying nagato won't be even needing chibaku or shinra tensei!
No matter if the forest is as big as a village or not. Shinra Tensei obliterated the village. Harishima has a technique to make a forest instantly no one said anything about a village size forest.

No matter if the forest is big or not he will still get blown away. Infact making the forest hurts him more because he will just get smacked by his own trees.

Nagato also has summoning paths and they have rennigan eyes and can act as shared visions. Nagato does not have to be hooked up to a machine because as we Tobi is controlling paths without that. I'm referring to a healthy Nagato in this battle btw.

I don't see Nagato using Shinra Tensei for no reason when Deva Path regular pull and push attacks were enough to send big giant frogs back and forth like nothing.
 

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No matter if the forest is as big as a village or not. Shinra Tensei obliterated the village. Harishima has a technique to make a forest instantly no one said anything about a village size forest.

No matter if the forest is big or not he will still get blown away. Infact making the forest hurts him more because he will just get smacked by his own trees.

Nagato also has summoning paths and they have rennigan eyes and can act as shared visions. Nagato does not have to be hooked up to a machine because as we Tobi is controlling paths without that. I'm referring to a healthy Nagato in this battle btw.

I don't see Nagato using Shinra Tensei for no reason when Deva Path regular pull and push attacks were enough to send big giant frogs back and forth like nothing.
his shared vision wont come in handy because of the bringer of the darkness tech all his summons + himself would be blind. And hashirama at that point has to just give the killing blow.

when his shared vision is out

he doesnt kno where the attacks come from and couldnt even shinra tensei itachi's sword

kabuto also mentions how important his shared vision is
 

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his shared vision wont come in handy because of the bringer of the darkness tech all his summons + himself would be blind. And hashirama at that point has to just give the killing blow.

when his shared vision is out

he doesnt kno where the attacks come from and couldnt even shinra tensei itachi's sword

kabuto also mentions how important his shared vision is
Dude bringer of darkness is useless Rinnegan can see chakra points. Hence bringer of darkness will prove ineefective. He didnt use Shinra Tensei in that page btw
 

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Dude bringer of darkness is useless Rinnegan can see chakra points. Hence bringer of darkness will prove ineefective
WTf are you smoking. why did pain get tricked by naruto's clones if he could see all their chakra. Why did he get hit by totsuka for that matter. Dont add extra bs powers to the rinnegan. if he doesnt see his enemies he would be vulnerable as seen in the manga
 
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Dude bringer of darkness is useless Rinnegan can see chakra points. Hence bringer of darkness will prove ineefective. He didnt use Shinra Tensei in that page btw
i said he could have used it to avoid death but he didnt since he didnt even see the attack coming due to his other paths being blinded. as would be the case against hashi but in this case nagato himself would also be blinded
 

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WTf are you smoking. why did pain get tricked by naruto's clones if he could see all their chakra. Why did he get hit by totsuka for that matter. Dont add extra bs powers to the rinnegan
There you go again, relying on the storyline to back up your argument. I have explained it to you countless of times that if it wasnt for plot no jutsu Naruto would be dead. Why cant you understand that? Seriously all of you arguments I've seen in the past are as if the storyline has an effect on versus threads.
 

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No matter if the forest is as big as a village or not. Shinra Tensei obliterated the village. Harishima has a technique to make a forest instantly no one said anything about a village size forest.

No matter if the forest is big or not he will still get blown away. Infact making the forest hurts him more because he will just get smacked by his own trees.

Nagato also has summoning paths and they have rennigan eyes and can act as shared visions. Nagato does not have to be hooked up to a machine because as we Tobi is controlling paths without that. I'm referring to a healthy Nagato in this battle btw.

I don't see Nagato using Shinra Tensei for no reason when Deva Path regular pull and push attacks were enough to send big giant frogs back and forth like nothing.
but,remember,hashirama has skills yet to be discovered and i wouldn't undermine him with his mokuton's chakra absorbing ability and healing skills that are way beyond imagination!:shrug:

for now,i'm not going deep into all that,cauz going into that will cause more arguements and i'm tired already!xd

but, in the coming manga we will find out rinnegan's weakness through the battle of edo madara vs 5 kages.then only will i be able to properly counteract your statements,man!

for the time being i admit defeat!:D you did great,man!:D
 

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he doesnt have to spam lol but he can still kill during where his bijus re out and you're clearly denying it when there is manga proof

he can still give the killing blow not necessarily needs to spam techs.

konan only said that she knew his weakness not both of them so stop making up crap

where the hell did she say her and nagato know about his techs. Granted i think he knew too but the same would be the case vice versa.

naruto's frog katas beat him even if nagato can use paths together he can't take on 12 km clones who are kage level and one sm clone just needs to use frog kata to beat him. He can't handle all them lol and kyubi was never beat by nagato what the hell manga have you been reading.


Nagato got his arms ripped off when two ppl were distracting him and he got his arms ripped off by itachi's sussano.


and you're saying 12 KM clones cant make a distraction enough to get one frog kats or other techs on him lol. You're such a fanboy in denial. Not to mention.


HE never beat kyubi lol it broke out how do you somehow change the story

im not denying anything lol... you keep showing me this picture as if in some way im wrong i said hes not fighting with his so called paths to conserve chakra or for plot no justu there clearly is reason that bit was also to introduce kakashi and gai

she said you think we stayed idly by your side .... referring to her and nagato and referring to his space time ninjustus weakness unless you have another theory why do you keep providing links that just proof me right kind of counter productive xd so because nagato knows tobis weakness then tobi automatically knows about shinra tenseis interval ( which might not even be the case within nagato ) by that logic blue = yellow see im making stuff up too lol its fun right

Nagato was being controlled by kabuto so the only thing you can comment on are his abilities not how he was (kabuto) was distracted 'therefore narutos clones would do the same thing?' that is illogical at best oh and btw that was because kabuto was focusing on naruto and bee you never quit do you

you keep naming ways how naruto can beat him this will get noone anywhere

shinra tensei ?

celestial tera sphere ?

preta path and asura together ?

Nagato beat the kyubbi with a dead body while exhausted he had it captured it is totally irrelevant wether its head was poking out it was captured if it got out by itself you would have every right to say it but it did not end off
 

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!st path Animal path

Hashirama has fought several tailed beasts and with mokuton can restrict movement of them. I know that mokuton has the ability to drain chakra from stuff but he wouldnt have to do so for non-tailed animals since summons are considerably weaker.


Agree but they still can be usefull for Nagato.

2nd path Asura path

Hashirama can regenerate himself better than tsunade who can heal herself extremely fast and most of these robotic abilities are blasting things or extra arms. Hashirama can grow mokuton from his own body and escape grabs or block any of these attacks and if he is hit he can heal himself and counter.

Regenaration is useless if you die by a one-hit.

3rd path Petra path

So I have looked it over and i believe that mokuton can be absorbed with petra path. But petra path is not always active and by that i mean it isn't automatic but my counter to this is that Hashirama used a lot of weapons to fight and with mokuton+weapons he can hit nagato pretty easily.




Now dont flame i know this is 100% non cannon but this is what he can do and the picture of him with the weapons around him proves that he used weapons well enough to use them in a real battle.


He has Asura and Human Path against Tai-jutsu.

4th path of pain Human path

As we saw in the battle against Naruto bee vs. Nagato human path is not automatic. If hashirama gets caught in this he can push himself away or attack Nagato with weapons or weapon summons. But for this i dont believe Hashirama will get close enough to let Nagato use this technique on him.

If you get caught by Human Path you cant move or use any Jutsus on your own.

5th path Naraka path

Only relevent when the human path is used.

6th path Deva path

so Hashirama can counter this in many ways for starters his push and pull abilities can be stopped by using mokuton to hold himself down or he can attack and counter Nagato while being pulled. As for shinra tensai Nagato has a five second interval and can be attacked easily from the ground by Hashirama so it would be easy to get him that way. As for a shinra tensai on the scale of the one that destroyed kanoha, Hashirama can use mokuton to defend himself and cushion the blow and heal right afterwards and Nagato's deva ability would be down for a while which gives Hashirama a big upper hand.


He can power up his Banshou Tennin just like he do it on Kakashi.

He would die by a BST, it will break him all his bones and Mokuton wont save him.
And again his healing abilities won't give him benefit if he is already dead.



Chibaku tensai can be countered by mokuton through the use of growing trees! since chibaku tensai does not immidiatly pull you up there it can be beat before you leave the ground! as soon as some trees are up there Hashirama can grow the trees through the rock to the core and destroy it from there.


Lol.
Yeah the sphere withstand mountains and then it gets destroyed by trees. :sy:


Gedo Mazo is countered by using mokuton to drain its chakra




You think he would have enough time to concentrain on Nagato, his summons and Gedo Mazo ?
And i'm not sure if hes chakra is strong enough for 7 Bijuus.



Now where it gets fun is Hashirama and his Mokuton his ability to chnge the battlefield create poison flowers that can knock unconciouss kage level ninja


Nagato sees chakra.

use bringer of darkness which will stop him from seeing chakra.
and i would like another post to see where in the manga it says he can see chakra because it could have helped him here


Rain Tiger at Will Technique works against bringer of darkness and every dojutsu can see chakra.




here (read chapter and one after it)



and here



But this is my reasoning as to why Hashirama beats Nagato

Nagato wins.
 

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for the time being i admit defeat!:D you did great,man!:D
but,remember,hashirama has skills yet to be discovered and i wouldn't undermine him with his mokuton's chakra absorbing ability and healing skills that are way beyond imagination!:shrug:

for now,i'm not going deep into all that,cauz going into that will cause more arguements and i'm tired already!xd

but, in the coming manga we will find out rinnegan's weakness through the battle of edo madara vs 5 kages.then only will i be able to properly counteract your statements,man!

for the time being i admit defeat!:D you did great,man!:D
Thanks at least someone can admit their wrong. Hashi is a very powerfull shinobi who knows he can turn up stronger than Nagato. But so far what he has shown he can't defeat Nagato techs.

i said he could have used it to avoid death but he didnt since he didnt even see the attack coming due to his other paths being blinded. as would be the case against hashi but in this case nagato himself would also be blinded
What?? He was in the middle of using Chibaku Tensei. No where as it said Nagato can use Shinrei and Chibaku a the same time. Also Kabuto was controlling so his abilities were still limited.

WTf are you smoking. why did pain get tricked by naruto's clones if he could see all their chakra. Why did he get hit by totsuka for that matter. Dont add extra bs powers to the rinnegan. if he doesnt see his enemies he would be vulnerable as seen in the manga
Narutos clone are evenly distributed. Why do you think Neji failed to pinpoint Naruto when he attacked him. Even Sasuke. Databook states Rinnegan can see chakra
 

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That is, if Nagato hadn't used it already because if he previously did and Hashirama uses the Flower Tree World Technique during the long interval, then I see Nagato falling asleep and he wouldn't be able to use Deva Path to fly away. That could give Hashirama the time to kill Nagato while he's asleep after he holds down the animal summons.

Nagato can see the chakra of the flower tree polls.
 

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OMG ... EveryOne can easyly say Hashi would win but nobody can explain... Just saying Moukten is best YAY, he is the BEST SHINOBI EVER. I wrote it already in another thread but no one could not or did not answered me Really If any one could answer this, i will agree with them and i will say Hashi can own Nagato in his prime. How could Hashi can counter NAGATO's Deva Path &Human Path & Demonic State of Outher Path's Phantom Dragon. " From NarutoPedia : The Statue is able to emit dragon-like forms of energy from its mouth. When these dragons come into contact with ordinary humans, the humans' souls are ripped from their bodies, killing them. When these dragons surround a jinchūriki or a tailed beast, the tailed beast's chakra is gathered to the Statue's mouth and stored inside for future use. " He cant use something like wood shield for parry that Jutsu. It is a phantom! Only can just try to avoid all the fight, jumping around like a little girl ? if it touches he dies... INSTANTLY It's not a something like bujii bomb, kyuubi or madara and it would just hurts get it?It is Death... It is THIS.


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And Give me a RELIABLE REASONS please dont be a foolish and dont say again look at votepool/Hashi is best/Madara says Hashi strongest Shinobi ever/Naruto owned pein hashi can easly do... 6 Path of Pein <<< NAGATO learn the difference or TRY to UNDERSTAND/ wood release can absorb chakra... so try to absorb this phantom dragon just try it... I dont think hashi can absorb Gedo Mazo's all Chakras instantly really -.- STOP acting like a Child.
 
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With full intel I think Hashi wins this with high difficulty.

If both in their prime Hashi still wins this because he has the tails on his side.

The only way I can see Hashi losing is down to intel, same battle as Jiraiya accept maybe being harder.

Edit: I have read every post today, so no need to reply. This is just the way I think its gonna go.
 

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With full intel I think Hashi wins this with high difficulty.

If both in their prime Hashi still wins this because he has the tails on his side.

The only way I can see Hashi losing is down to intel, same battle as Jiraiya accept maybe being harder.

Edit: I have read every post today, so no need to reply. This is just the way I think its gonna go.
This not an answer or explanation what i need. Once again stop it please and answer my question. By the way this phantom dragon is just one jutsu he can able to do... There are more of them but first i want to know. how he could pass it
 

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think of it like this...Tobi used Nagato as a good tool, Madara thinks of him as just some brat, who was supposed to use his technique to revive him.

Hashirama on the other hand is different. His DNA is being used to power up people. And even though its not his full DNA, it still goes a long way. if Nagato was so great, why wouldnt they use his DNA? Tobi had the chance to take some DNA from the corpse. But all he wanted was his rinnigan back. They even have better plans for sasuke than they had for Nagato. Madara himself says that the 5 kage are nothing compared to hashi, im sure the 5 kage together could easily take out Nagato/pain, if One sage mode naruto could take out most of them. Sooo...

Madara> 5kage
Hashirama>Madara
means...
Hashirama> 5kage
5 kage> nagato
Nagato>sage naruto (barely)

Most ppl on here with a brain would rather go by what the manga has said over what a fanboy like dante would say, especially sense dantee makes NO sense.
 

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think of it like this...Tobi used Nagato as a good tool, Madara thinks of him as just some brat, who was supposed to use his technique to revive him.

Hashirama on the other hand is different. His DNA is being used to power up people. And even though its not his full DNA, it still goes a long way. if Nagato was so great, why wouldnt they use his DNA? Tobi had the chance to take some DNA from the corpse. But all he wanted was his rinnigan back. Madara himself says that the 5 kage are nothing compared to hashi, im sure the 5 kage together could easily take out Nagato/pain, if One sage mode naruto could take out most of them. Sooo...

Madara> 5kage
Hashirama>Madara
means...
Hashirama> 5kage
5 kage> nagato
Nagato>sage naruto (barely)

Most ppl on here with a brain would rather go by what the manga has said over what a fanboy like dante would say, especially sense dantee makes NO sense.
No matter of your opinion. Show me a fact. Answer my question or just accept Nagato would own Hashi...
 

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think of it like this...Tobi used Nagato as a good tool, Madara thinks of him as just some brat, who was supposed to use his technique to revive him.

Hashirama on the other hand is different. His DNA is being used to power up people. And even though its not his full DNA, it still goes a long way. if Nagato was so great, why wouldnt they use his DNA? Tobi had the chance to take some DNA from the corpse. But all he wanted was his rinnigan back. They even have better plans for sasuke than they had for Nagato. Madara himself says that the 5 kage are nothing compared to hashi, im sure the 5 kage together could easily take out Nagato/pain, if One sage mode naruto could take out most of them. Sooo...

Madara> 5kage
Hashirama>Madara
means...
Hashirama> 5kage
5 kage> nagato
Nagato>sage naruto (barely)

Most ppl on here with a brain would rather go by what the manga has said over what a fanboy like dante would say, especially sense dantee makes NO sense.
Wow that is the most absurd logic ever its unreal.

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