How does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi?

[ComplexCity]

Still waiting for the answer to my question

 

[Claymantan]

So is everyone going to ignore hat Hashi couldn't have his mind controlled by Edo Tensei ? What makes you think Itachi can keep Hashirama from breaking a genjutsu witht he huge amounts of chakra he can release ?

This is the only argument in this whole thread for Hashi breaking Tsukuyomi that has potential, but without a scan supporting that Edo Tensei and Tsukuyomi operate in the same way, I can't really get behind it.

Someone else pointed out that Hashi might be able to just tank Tsukuyomi - I hope they were joking. Itachi's not going to stand there and wait and see how Hashi handles it.

"Strong chakra" is a spec argument. Blame Kishi for being vague and lazy.

Itachi being the solo king doesn't mean that he's the strongest ninja guys, it's okay.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

LOL

R.I.P Hashi

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Then they say Tsukuyomi is a regular Genjutsu, and can be countered by regular Genjutsu methods. :lol:

Not to mention Itachi's Genjutsu are reality simulation. The most broken kind:

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Itachi shits.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

This is the only argument in this whole thread for Hashi breaking Tsukuyomi that has potential, but without a scan supporting that Edo Tensei and Tsukuyomi operate in the same way, I can't really get behind it.

Someone else pointed out that Hashi might be able to just tank Tsukuyomi - I hope they were joking. Itachi's not going to stand there and wait and see how Hashi handles it.

"Strong chakra" is a spec argument. Blame Kishi for being vague and lazy.

Thing is. Edo Tensei, and Tsukuyomi don't have the same bindings. Tsukuyomi actually has a set stipulation to break it. Have the Uchiha Blood line, and have the sharingan. Simple. Anything else is null.

 

[Berkenstiel]

Still waiting for the answer to my question

Totsuka seal buddha rather easily my man : D

 

[SoundBar]

Then they post some crap like "Hashi closes his eyes". Like bruh. Ok he closes his eyes, then gets Ephemeral'd + Totsuka'd. Pick your poison Hashi fapboys.

He doesn't need to close his eyes, king Hashirama is too strong for Itach.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Still waiting for the answer to my question

Totsuka seals anything. It sealed Orochimaru's eight-branch snake technique, yet the structure of the transformation was way bigger than Totsuka Blade's container.

 

[Claymantan]

Thing is. Edo Tensei, and Tsukuyomi don't have the same bindings. Tsukuyomi actually has a set stipulation to break it. Have the Uchiha Blood line, and have the sharingan. Simple. Anything else is null.

Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.

Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Comapring tsukuyomi to fodder genjutsu nice try my man. Giving hashi other peoples feats and intel just so he doesnt get rekt lml. The orochimaru point is showing itachi fodder genjutsu can trap kage level charcters. The restof your post is just fanfiction and specualtion. Come back with manga scans plz

" Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow.. " Did you read the manga?

1. Show me the quote where I compared Tsukuyomi to other genjutsu within that post.

2. Show me where I gave Hashirama feats of other characters within that post.

3. Point is Orochimaru isn't somebody with the best chakra control.. and he also isn't Hashirama senju or even close to his level.


4. You're actually questioning whether the reincarnation of Indra and Madara uchiha, possessed stronger eye power than Itachi?? Question is.. do you read the manga??

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5. do you want me start spoonfeeding you manga scans, since your knowledge on the manga seems to be limited to Itachi statements ..

 

[Genyūmaru1]

He doesn't need to close his eyes, king Hashirama is too strong for Itach.

Quit trolling. Link manga scans that signify Hashirama can counter Tsukuyomi.

 

[LoZelda101]

Seeing his fight against madara i would say no

sure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses gen

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[Genyūmaru1]

Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.

Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.

7 pages later, and FINALLY someone sensible. Thank you. Please tell me, was this really hard to grasp? I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for others.

 

[BLAZE]

sure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses gen

yeah considering they have madara sorrounded and his brother fatally wounded.dunno what does that scan proves

 

[Genyūmaru1]

sure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses gen

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Yup. It's probably because most of the Uchiha used weak genjutsu. None were as talented as Itachi back then. Itachi is god of Genjutsu. If Hashirama went up against Itachi, he wouldn't know what hit him tbh.

 

[ComplexCity]

Totsuka seals anything. It sealed Orochimaru's eight-branch snake technique, yet the structure of the transformation was way bigger than Totsuka Blade's container.

I didn't ask you that. I asked you how did Sasuke break TY

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.

Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.

But a statement from Itachi, a character who has never faced Hashirama/Tobirama/Madara and characters of that level... or characters like Tsunade who are said to have the best chakra control, is credible enough for you to claim it can't be broken without the Uchiha blood??? How so??

What proof is there, that other methods that don't work, besides a statement from a character who has limited knowledge??

Speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

To claim that other methods don't work, despite the genjutsu being given 2 methods of countering it, without any proof.. is speculation.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

I didn't ask you that. I asked you how did Sasuke break TY

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Only someone with kekkei genkei (blood line - the Uchiha blood line), and Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke fits the criteria.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

But a statement from Itachi, a character who has never faced Hashirama/Tobirama/Madara and characters of that level... or characters like Tsunade who are said to have the best chakra control, is credible enough for you to claim it can't be broken without the Uchiha blood??? How so??

What proof is there, that other methods that don't work, besides a statement from a character who has limited knowledge??

Speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

To claim that other methods don't work, despite the genjutsu being given 2 methods of countering it, without any proof.. is speculation.

Tsukuyomi only has 1 given method of breaking it dude. Having the Uchiha Bloodline, and the Sharingan. What don't you understand???

 

[Berkenstiel]

1. Show me the quote where I compared Tsukuyomi to other genjutsu within that post.

2. Show me where I gave Hashirama feats of other characters within that post.

3. Point is Orochimaru isn't somebody with the best chakra control.. and he also isn't Hashirama senju or even close to his level.

4. You're actually questioning whether the reincarnation of Indra and Madara uchiha, possessed stronger eye power than Itachi?? Question is.. do you read the manga??

5. do you want me start spoonfeeding you manga scans, since your knowledge on the manga seems to be limited to Itachi statements ..

1. LOL did you read your own post u posed ways to defeat genjutsu in general
2. You wrote ways to counter and defeat fodder genjutsu and assumed hashi knows this "Once has you there is no contesting this genjutsu it doesnt matter if you can break it or not". - Kakashi on tsukuyomi
3. Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu in databook and was considered a genius who knows the mechanics and how it works yet was powerless to stop even Kasegui. Chakra control has nothing to do with fighting tsukuyomi. Hashi is not an uchiha period
4. Since you don't seem to grasp simple facts MS > 3 tome
5. no need to ignore the manga because it rustles u ^^

The point of this thread is to show hashi cant counter tsukuyomi his only option is to close his eyes and run away Lol

 

[LoZelda101]

Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.

Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.

has nothing to do with having the great chakra or not. all you need to do is to be skilled in disrupting the flow, something obviously kakashi is skilled enough to do in against genjutsu, the fact he couldn't muster it where as sasuke did, it's safe to say that hashirama can't as well. but yes like you said, hashirama, kakashi, killer bee, naruto they all can break itachi's tsukuyomi. the feat however is them doing it before the instant mind-rape from the time manipulation, for whatever reason uchiha's are only able to accomplish this according to itachi and sasuke.

also sensing isn't going to work either. Ao, even stated itachi's gen is so good that not even the sensor division can see it coming.