This is the only argument in this whole thread for Hashi breaking Tsukuyomi that has potential, but without a scan supporting that Edo Tensei and Tsukuyomi operate in the same way, I can't really get behind it.So is everyone going to ignore hat Hashi couldn't have his mind controlled by Edo Tensei ? What makes you think Itachi can keep Hashirama from breaking a genjutsu witht he huge amounts of chakra he can release ?
Then they say Tsukuyomi is a regular Genjutsu, and can be countered by regular Genjutsu methods. :lol:LOL
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Thing is. Edo Tensei, and Tsukuyomi don't have the same bindings. Tsukuyomi actually has a set stipulation to break it. Have the Uchiha Blood line, and have the sharingan. Simple. Anything else is null.This is the only argument in this whole thread for Hashi breaking Tsukuyomi that has potential, but without a scan supporting that Edo Tensei and Tsukuyomi operate in the same way, I can't really get behind it.
Someone else pointed out that Hashi might be able to just tank Tsukuyomi - I hope they were joking. Itachi's not going to stand there and wait and see how Hashi handles it.
"Strong chakra" is a spec argument. Blame Kishi for being vague and lazy.
Totsuka seal buddha rather easily my man : DStill waiting for the answer to my question
He doesn't need to close his eyes, king Hashirama is too strong for Itach.Then they post some crap like "Hashi closes his eyes". Like bruh. Ok he closes his eyes, then gets Ephemeral'd + Totsuka'd. Pick your poison Hashi fapboys.
Totsuka seals anything. It sealed Orochimaru's eight-branch snake technique, yet the structure of the transformation was way bigger than Totsuka Blade's container.Still waiting for the answer to my question
Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.Thing is. Edo Tensei, and Tsukuyomi don't have the same bindings. Tsukuyomi actually has a set stipulation to break it. Have the Uchiha Blood line, and have the sharingan. Simple. Anything else is null.
1. Show me the quote where I compared Tsukuyomi to other genjutsu within that post.Comapring tsukuyomi to fodder genjutsu nice try my man. Giving hashi other peoples feats and intel just so he doesnt get rekt lml. The orochimaru point is showing itachi fodder genjutsu can trap kage level charcters. The restof your post is just fanfiction and specualtion. Come back with manga scans plz
" Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow.. " Did you read the manga?
Quit trolling. Link manga scans that signify Hashirama can counter Tsukuyomi.He doesn't need to close his eyes, king Hashirama is too strong for Itach.
sure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses genSeeing his fight against madara i would say no
7 pages later, and FINALLY someone sensible. Thank you. Please tell me, was this really hard to grasp? I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for others.Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.
Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.
yeah considering they have madara sorrounded and his brother fatally wounded.dunno what does that scan provessure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses gen
Yup. It's probably because most of the Uchiha used weak genjutsu. None were as talented as Itachi back then. Itachi is god of Genjutsu. If Hashirama went up against Itachi, he wouldn't know what hit him tbh.sure about that? he seems perfectly fine to look at him without worrying about anything. madara rarely uses gen
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I didn't ask you that. I asked you how did Sasuke break TYTotsuka seals anything. It sealed Orochimaru's eight-branch snake technique, yet the structure of the transformation was way bigger than Totsuka Blade's container.
But a statement from Itachi, a character who has never faced Hashirama/Tobirama/Madara and characters of that level... or characters like Tsunade who are said to have the best chakra control, is credible enough for you to claim it can't be broken without the Uchiha blood??? How so??Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.
Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you how did Sasuke break TY
Tsukuyomi only has 1 given method of breaking it dude. Having the Uchiha Bloodline, and the Sharingan. What don't you understand???But a statement from Itachi, a character who has never faced Hashirama/Tobirama/Madara and characters of that level... or characters like Tsunade who are said to have the best chakra control, is credible enough for you to claim it can't be broken without the Uchiha blood??? How so??
What proof is there, that other methods that don't work, besides a statement from a character who has limited knowledge??
Speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
To claim that other methods don't work, despite the genjutsu being given 2 methods of countering it, without any proof.. is speculation.
1. LOL did you read your own post u posed ways to defeat genjutsu in general1. Show me the quote where I compared Tsukuyomi to other genjutsu within that post.
2. Show me where I gave Hashirama feats of other characters within that post.
3. Point is Orochimaru isn't somebody with the best chakra control.. and he also isn't Hashirama senju or even close to his level.
4. You're actually questioning whether the reincarnation of Indra and Madara uchiha, possessed stronger eye power than Itachi?? Question is.. do you read the manga??
5. do you want me start spoonfeeding you manga scans, since your knowledge on the manga seems to be limited to Itachi statements ..
has nothing to do with having the great chakra or not. all you need to do is to be skilled in disrupting the flow, something obviously kakashi is skilled enough to do in against genjutsu, the fact he couldn't muster it where as sasuke did, it's safe to say that hashirama can't as well. but yes like you said, hashirama, kakashi, killer bee, naruto they all can break itachi's tsukuyomi. the feat however is them doing it before the instant mind-rape from the time manipulation, for whatever reason uchiha's are only able to accomplish this according to itachi and sasuke.Yeah, this is true. There's pretty much no evidence in the manga to show that Tsukuyomi can be broken any other way, because the only way it's ever been broken is according to these stipulations. Any other explanation is pure speculation by definition, because there isn't a single line or panel in the manga that confirms those explanations.
Hashirama has great chakra and sensing, but Tsukuyomi basically happens instantly, so I don't see how he can react. Even if we conceded that he could break it, Itachi's already killed him in the time it would take him to break it.