How can people seriously think that Oda is a beter writer than Kishimoto.

[Trollasaur]

I don't care for One Piece.

 

[scorezor]

it's my pleasure really U_U

ahahah , you son of a b1tch.

 

[ekichi onizuka]

ahahah , yo i'm a son of a b1tch.

give me her number man

 

[Avani 👑]

@Op:

Isn't it obvious? People like different things. Oda's style is capturing for many as it's rather light and fun and if you like adventure stories it's there.

1. OP fights almost always have a deep reason behind it. There's rarely an OP fight that simply starts because some people feel like fighting. The story behind the OP fights, the reasons that OP fights happen are what makes them so enjoyable. And lately, Naruto has been "Big jutsu, meet my bigger jutsu". Or did you miss where Juubi was creating storms to clear out entire battlefields? Or Hashi's Bhudda? Or Madara's giant mountain busting Susano'o?

All the fights have a reason in both mangas. But it's funny you criticize Naruto for the same thing as in OP or many other manga out there.

The fights in OP are no better - my punch is bigger than your punch.

2. Because OP hasn't put stress on racism, ethics, discrimination, eugenics, war, poverty, corrupt politics, drug abuse, or freedom right? Naruto repeats the same themes throughout, OP has a new theme almost every arc.

What new theme? He is saving someone with his awesome punch in every arc and making friends( nakama is just another word for friend/comrade). Half the arcs are about saving the damsels in distress.

3. The "villains" in OP do have a reason for being evil. Unlike Naruto, where the villains are usually for internal emotional reasons, a lot of the OP villains are there for external logical reasons. For example, any pirate crew that's looking for One Piece are potential villains because that's Luffy's goal. The Marines are opposed to Pirates because Pirates go against their ideals and it's their job to contest and stop them. And if there's anything OP lacks, it ain't backstory.

There is always an aspect of emotional reasons.

Interest, curiosity, alarm, panic, attraction, desire, admiration , aversion, disgust, revulsion, surprise, amusement indifference, familiarity, habituation, hope, fear, gratitude, thankfulness anger, rage, joy, elation, triumph, jubilation sorrow, grief, relief , frustration, disappointment
Pride in achievement, self-confidence, sociability, embarrassment, shame, guilt, remorse
generosity, avarice, greed, miserliness, envy, jealousy, sympathy, cruelty, love , hate..

Do you mean to tell me that OP lacks these things? Really? Then what is about? Mathematical derivation of Pi?

I don't think so. It's just a different kind of plot. The emphasis in OP is on adventure and comedy and a lot of things just go with the flow without having to explain in terms of logic. Not saying it's a bad thing - the plot is set in a way that it blends in.

Also, as Doffy stressed during the Marineford War, there is no real concept of "good" or "evil" in the OP world. It's just different ideals cause people to clash and these clashes can determine the fate of the entire world. That's much better than simple good vs evil because it makes you think about who is truly right. If it was just plain good vs evil, you could say "Yeah, I want good to win." But when it's a clash of ideals, that simple one dimension thinking is thrown out the window. That's way more reflective of the real world than good vs evil. Does Naruto have that? yes, but not as much as OP.

I agree. Also just putting it out there this theme of grey area is common in many the mangas of this genre.

One Piece > Naruto , deal with it !

Relax and think of better argument next time if you feel like posting.

Oda. Everyone plays so sort of role in the story. The entirety of the crew takes part in a battle. They aren't reduced to one panel every fourth manga in a battle. He also expands on his characters, both main and side. Plus the OPuniverse is a lot more in depth and expansive. Its just so much cooler. However I believe that of the big three, Kubo has emerged as the best. He somehow managed to make everything that ever happened in the manga to be relevant in the last arc. Ichigo's past is explained and Aizen comes off as more badass. Kubo>Oda>Kishi

OP universe is a lot bigger because of it's plot. Oda has to bring more characters in if he has to show the competition and keep the sense of adventure maintained. In Naruto it doesn't move the story much and people want to go back to plot.

But you are kidding yourself if you think each and every person will be at the same level in the end. They will have their individual role but even in SH crew not all of them will be on the same level. They will be facing the opponent

Both are interesting in their own way and their story line an style is too different to compare. Leave it at that. Such threads hardly ever do any good.

 

[KingHashirama]

OP universe is a lot bigger because of it's plot. Oda has to bring more characters in if he has to show the competition and keep the sense of adventure maintained. In Naruto it doesn't move the story much and people want to go back to plot.

But you are kidding yourself if you think each and every person will be at the same level in the end. They will have their individual role but even in SH crew not all of them will be on the same level.

Both are interesting in their own way and their story line an style is too different to compare. Leave it at that. Such threads hardly ever do any good.

@Bold, sadly they fail to realize how bad Luffy out does the rest of the straw hats. And how much stronger Zoro is than the rest of them (fans will try to put Sanji on Zoro's level, but that is a simple fail).

 

[ekichi onizuka]

This really doesn't mater right now naruto has the most popularity,which means people will like it or hate it

One piece is growing bigger in the world but doesn't have many fans yet and it still has 10 years to go once-

naruto is over i think one piece will be in its prime maybe around the same popularity as naruto and you'll see that people

will start to hate it too.its just like a youtube like bar, the more likes you get te more people will start to dislike your shit.

 

[paratise]

Naruto is a cultivated plant which is meant to be loamy in few branches.

One Piece is an oak tree which is meant to spread around.

There is no point in arguing what would people want to grow in their own gardens.

 

[portgas d luffy]

I never tought one piece will go downhill, arlong park,marine ford arc and usopp arc,sanji arc those where the days.
to bad oda killed my favo ace:T_T:

 

[Transcendence]

Damn... Ira solo'd.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Op:

Isn't it obvious? People like different things. Oda's style is capturing for many as it's rather light and fun and if you like adventure stories it's there.



All the fights have a reason in both mangas. But it's funny you criticize Naruto for the same thing as in OP or many other manga out there.

The fights in OP are no better - my punch is bigger than your punch.



What new theme? He is saving someone with his awesome punch in every arc and making friends( nakama is just another word for friend/comrade. Half the arcs are about saving the damsels in distress.



There are always an aspect of emotional reasons.

Interest, curiosity,Alarm, panic, Attraction, desire, admiration , Aversion, disgust, revulsion, Surprise, amusement indifference, familiarity, habituation, Hope Fear Gratitude, thankfulness Anger, rage
Joy, elation, triumph, jubilation sorrow, grief Relief frustration, disappointment
Self-appraisal Pride in achievement, self-confidence, sociability Embarrassment, shame, guilt, remorse
Generosity Avarice, greed, miserliness, envy, jealousy Sympathy Cruelty love Hate

Do you mean to tell me that OP lacks these things? Really? Then what is about? Mathematical derivation of pie?

I don't think so. It's just a different kind of plot. The genre being adventure action.



I agree. Also jut putting it out there this theme of grey area is common in many the mangas of this genre.




Relax and think of better argument next time if you feel like posting.



OP universe is a lot bigger because of it's plot. Oda has to bring more characters in if he has to show the competition and keep the sense of adventure maintained. In Naruto it doesn't move the story much and people want to go back to plot.

But you are kidding yourself if you think each and every person will be at the same level in the end. They will have their individual role but even in SH crew not all of them will be on the same level.

Both are interesting in their own way and their story line an style is too different to compare. Leave it at that. Such threads hardly ever do any good.

1. I wasn't saying OP isn't a battle of power. From the very beginning, OP was mostly you win if you're a stronger better fighter or you have more resilience or stronger abilities. And that's been consistent throughout the series. However, it doesn't completely lack tactics. Weaker fighters like Usopp and Nami continuously win their fights by using brains over brawn.

The thing with Naruto is, Naruto started with tactics mixed with brawn, and that was power. However, as the series progressed, that lessened and lessened. C'mon, we went from Kakashi using Zabuza's mist against him and having his ninja dogs smell out his blood on Zabuza's sword to sneak him to Naruto and Bee just machine gunning Bijuu Bombs at the Juubi and the Juubi creating a mini-Armageddon. Kishi has become inconsistent with his power scale. He's trying to bring in some tactic again with Shika, but it isn't working.

2. So I gotta run down the list? I'm a bit fuzzy with the older arcs, so bear with me.

1. The arc where Luffy recruited Zoro first gave us a taste of the theme of corrupt politics, where the warden was abusing his position, lied to and was going to unjustly execute Zoro.

2. The Arlong Park arc dealt with the concept of freedoms, displayed by Arlong acting as a tyrant and "false saviour" to Nami's village.

3. The Drum Island arc dealt with the themes of rejection and loss of loved ones.

3. Alabasta dealt with corruption in organizations and fighting for those who couldn't fight for themselves. It also dealt with the theme of civil war.

4. Skypeia, in the form of Enel, dealt with the theme of abusing power, as Enel believed himself to be God and that gave him to right to kill as he pleased. The part with Jaya touched on the concept of fighting for your dreams, no matter how stupid they may seem to others.

5. We don't talk about Long Ring Island arc

6. The CP9 Saga touched on war a bit with Luffy declaring war on the World Government. Also, it first touched on the theme of an evil government and justice, as it showed how far they were willing to go(blowing up one of their HQ's)to get what they want.

7. Saboady whatever touched on slavery, showing the evil of the auction house. It also touched on the theme of losing your loved ones with the Strawhat separation.

8. Impel Down touched on brotherhood, as it showed how far Luffy was willing to go for Ace.

9. Marineford touched on the theme of eugenics, as the Government's reasons for wanting to kill Ace and Luffy were predominantly on what their parents did, and not what they themselves did. It brought up the theme of "A newborn child bears no sins".

10. Fishman Island dealt with the themes of racism and discrimination, as well as drug abuse.

11. Punk Hazard dealt with ethics, in the form of CC experimenting on kids.

12. Dressrosa is dealing with corrupt rules, as shown with Joker and how he came to rule.

Naruto's themes have always been loneliness is a b*tch, pain is inevitable, but enduring and overcoming it, as well as unity, is the key to peace.

There was the whole destiny doesn't determine who you are, but Child of Prophecy anyway?

There was talent over hard work. But, where's Lee compared to Sasuke again? Yeah, Naruto worked hard, but an oasis of power sealed inside of you kinda helps, doesn't it?

 

[Punk Hazard]

OP fans are getting buthurt

Yes, I suppose it is easier to give shitty insults than rebuttal.

@Bold, sadly they fail to realize how bad Luffy out does the rest of the straw hats. And how much stronger Zoro is than the rest of them (fans will try to put Sanji on Zoro's level, but that is a simple fail).

Oh no, we know the Monster Trio is faaar ahead of the rest. But, their main uses lie outside of battle and they all have provided a significant role time and time again, so we're fine with the M3 outclassing them in battle.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Lets me start by saying this i'm up to date with One piece,so don't bring me that you're not Caught Up with the
manga. BS

The reason i think kishi is beter writer is because of this;

1:The fight's: Is not about who can punch the hardest or destroy the most but strategy
i have never seen someone been taking out with a random punch or kick expect for fodders.

One piece
This is what happens almost everytime in one piece expect from the Moria/Oars vs the Strawhat fight.


2:The story: everything that has to do with real life problems you can find it in naruto, struggles,being left out,Politic,
weakness,family,relationships,......

One piece has it too but not as much as naruto:|

3:villains: every villan has a reason for being evil and a backstory to back it up.

in one piece you're evil for the sake of being evil:vincent:

4:Logic: Naruto is a manga that try's to make sense of something that exist in this world but with overreaction
like the concept of chakra is more believable than a fruit.

1. Punch the hardest?? I think you're thinking about Fairy Tail
I guess you never heard of zoro or shanji or Usopp etc.

2. OP has racism, ethics, discrimination, eugenics, war, poverty, corrupt politics, drug abuse, and slavery Naruto repeats the same themes throughout the series while OP has a new theme almost every arc.

3. Better villains?!?!
Lmao Lol I almost cried laughing when I heard that.....
You have a villain that went rough because his crush died plz tell me more on how naruto has better villains and like DD said they don't have good or evil in OP it's just what you believe in....

4. Logic??? Chakra better than fruit?!?!? Well how did chakra originate in naruto?!?!? Yep that's right a fuucking fruit

 

[jiraiya lives]

I never tought one piece will go downhill, arlong park,marine ford arc and usopp arc,sanji arc those where the days.
to bad oda killed my favo ace:T_T:

are you serious? one piece isn't going down hill.

Dressrosa isn't even over, yet it's probably the 3rd-5th best arc in the series IMO.

Punk Hazzard is probably one of if not the greatest set up arc in the series

Fishmen islasnd is...the first arc after the time skip....

 

[portgas d luffy]

1. I wasn't saying OP isn't a battle of power. From the very beginning, OP was mostly you win if you're a stronger better fighter or you have more resilience or stronger abilities. And that's been consistent throughout the series. However, it doesn't completely lack tactics. Weaker fighters like Usopp and Nami continuously win their fights by using brains over brawn.

The thing with Naruto is, Naruto started with tactics mixed with brawn, and that was power. However, as the series progressed, that lessened and lessened. C'mon, we went from Kakashi using Zabuza's mist against him and having his ninja dogs smell out his blood on Zabuza's sword to sneak him to Naruto and Bee just machine gunning Bijuu Bombs at the Juubi and the Juubi creating a mini-Armageddon. Kishi has become inconsistent with his power scale. He's trying to bring in some tactic again with Shika, but it isn't working.

2. So I gotta run down the list? I'm a bit fuzzy with the older arcs, so bear with me.

1. The arc where Luffy recruited Zoro first gave us a taste of the theme of corrupt politics, where the warden was abusing his position, lied to and was going to unjustly execute Zoro.

2. The Arlong Park arc dealt with the concept of freedoms, displayed by Arlong acting as a tyrant and "false saviour" to Nami's village.

3. The Drum Island arc dealt with the themes of rejection and loss of loved ones.

3. Alabasta dealt with corruption in organizations and fighting for those who couldn't fight for themselves. It also dealt with the theme of civil war.

4. Skypeia, in the form of Enel, dealt with the theme of abusing power, as Enel believed himself to be God and that gave him to right to kill as he pleased. The part with Jaya touched on the concept of fighting for your dreams, no matter how stupid they may seem to others.

5. We don't talk about Long Ring Island arc

6. The CP9 Saga touched on war a bit with Luffy declaring war on the World Government. Also, it first touched on the theme of an evil government and justice, as it showed how far they were willing to go(blowing up one of their HQ's)to get what they want.

7. Saboady whatever touched on slavery, showing the evil of the auction house. It also touched on the theme of losing your loved ones with the Strawhat separation.

8. Impel Down touched on brotherhood, as it showed how far Luffy was willing to go for Ace.

9. Marineford touched on the theme of eugenics, as the Government's reasons for wanting to kill Ace and Luffy were predominantly on what their parents did, and not what they themselves did. It brought up the theme of "A newborn child bears no sins".

10. Fishman Island dealt with the themes of racism and discrimination, as well as drug abuse.

11. Punk Hazard dealt with ethics, in the form of CC experimenting on kids.

12. Dressrosa is dealing with corrupt rules, as shown with Joker and how he came to rule.

Naruto's themes have always been loneliness is a b*tch, pain is inevitable, but enduring and overcoming it, as well as unity, is the key to peace.

There was the whole destiny doesn't determine who you are, but Child of Prophecy anyway?

There was talent over hard work. But, where's Lee compared to Sasuke again? Yeah, Naruto worked hard, but an oasis of power sealed inside of you kinda helps, doesn't it?

actually the Child of Prophecy thing was never ment to take seriously because nagato/minato was also supposed to be that

but minato died and nagato became evil,that alone neglected that destiny thing you are talking about.

naruto worked hard to get where he is and now is recompenset for it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. Punch the hardest?? I think you're thinking about Fairy Tail
I guess you never heard of zoro or shanji or Usopp etc.

2. OP has racism, ethics, discrimination, eugenics, war, poverty, corrupt politics, drug abuse, and slavery Naruto repeats the same themes throughout the series while OP has a new theme almost every arc.

3. Better villains?!?!
Lmao Lol I almost cried laughing when I heard that.....
You have a villain that went rough because his crush died plz tell me more on how naruto has better villains and like DD said they don't have good or evil in OP it's just what you believe in....

4. Logic??? Chakra better than fruit?!?!? Well how did chakra originate in naruto?!?!? Yep that's right a fuucking fruit

2. Did-did you copy that from me? xD

4. GOT HIS ASS

 

[Avani 👑]

1. I wasn't saying OP isn't a battle of power. From the very beginning, OP was mostly you win if you're a stronger better fighter or you have more resilience or stronger abilities. And that's been consistent throughout the series. However, it doesn't completely lack tactics. Weaker fighters like Usopp and Nami continuously win their fights by using brains over brawn.

The thing with Naruto is, Naruto started with tactics mixed with brawn, and that was power. However, as the series progressed, that lessened and lessened. C'mon, we went from Kakashi using Zabuza's mist against him and having his ninja dogs smell out his blood on Zabuza's sword to sneak him to Naruto and Bee just machine gunning Bijuu Bombs at the Juubi and the Juubi creating a mini-Armageddon. Kishi has become inconsistent with his power scale. He's trying to bring in some tactic again with Shika, but it isn't working.

2. So I gotta run down the list? I'm a bit fuzzy with the older arcs, so bear with me.

1. The arc where Luffy recruited Zoro first gave us a taste of the theme of corrupt politics, where the warden was abusing his position, lied to and was going to unjustly execute Zoro.

2. The Arlong Park arc dealt with the concept of freedoms, displayed by Arlong acting as a tyrant and "false saviour" to Nami's village.

3. The Drum Island arc dealt with the themes of rejection and loss of loved ones.

3. Alabasta dealt with corruption in organizations and fighting for those who couldn't fight for themselves. It also dealt with the theme of civil war.

4. Skypeia, in the form of Enel, dealt with the theme of abusing power, as Enel believed himself to be God and that gave him to right to kill as he pleased. The part with Jaya touched on the concept of fighting for your dreams, no matter how stupid they may seem to others.

5. We don't talk about Long Ring Island arc

6. The CP9 Saga touched on war a bit with Luffy declaring war on the World Government. Also, it first touched on the theme of an evil government and justice, as it showed how far they were willing to go(blowing up one of their HQ's)to get what they want.

7. Saboady whatever touched on slavery, showing the evil of the auction house. It also touched on the theme of losing your loved ones with the Strawhat separation.

8. Impel Down touched on brotherhood, as it showed how far Luffy was willing to go for Ace.

9. Marineford touched on the theme of eugenics, as the Government's reasons for wanting to kill Ace and Luffy were predominantly on what their parents did, and not what they themselves did. It brought up the theme of "A newborn child bears no sins".

10. Fishman Island dealt with the themes of racism and discrimination, as well as drug abuse.

11. Punk Hazard dealt with ethics, in the form of CC experimenting on kids.

12. Dressrosa is dealing with corrupt rules, as shown with Joker and how he came to rule.

Naruto's themes have always been loneliness is a b*tch, pain is inevitable, but enduring and overcoming it, as well as unity, is the key to peace.

There was the whole destiny doesn't determine who you are, but Child of Prophecy anyway?

There was talent over hard work. But, where's Lee compared to Sasuke again? Yeah, Naruto worked hard, but an oasis of power sealed inside of you kinda helps, doesn't it?

In short recurring theme of all kinds of corruption and SH showing better moral values even though they are the pirates.

Naruto's world is smaller and deals with different issues.People are looking for better communication and relatively peaceful life after constant fights and wars. It also shadows our own conflict of among different countries by and large.So I won't say it's about loneliness only though I don't see anything wrong with that.

Loneliness arose from discrimination and hate and it's a big deal. You are lucky if you never had to see it. Naruto and Sasuke's have had their share of it due to their circumstances but even their was a difference.

In case of Sasuke he had everythign and lost them in one night. Naruto's progressed was getting blocked due to it since day 1. People didn't want to him grow at all and question even his admission in the acedemy. The story is about his progress from having no one to even play with him people following him. But you should have noticed that current when you started reading it.

Obito is having problems accepting the harsh reality of life and wars and moving on. He wants to trap himself and everyone in a fake dream world where he can live his fantasy.

Gato, Oro, Nagato, Zabuza , Kabuto, Itachi, Danzou all have had their own reasons for their actions and they are not based on loneliness either. I am too lazy to make a list nor I remember them all. But there is greed ( Gato, mizuki), there is ambition, (Oro, Danzou), Pacifist( hiruzen) there is jealously(Danzou), there is misguided idea of justice ( Nagato), Hidan ( fanatic killer without remorse), Raikages underhanded dealings ( attempted kidnapping of Kushina and Hinata) there is Kabuto talents but trying to be someone he isn't..loyality - sometimes due to gratitude at others due to sense of duty.There is ample of manipulation, dirty politics as well. Only thing is that in Naruto it's not often that loud but more subtle.

Unlike Luffy, Naruto didn't grow up with a longing for adventure. Luffy's circumstances were totally different. Why would they be looking for the same thing? If Naruto didn't had it's own appeal you wouldn't be even wasting time posting on it.

The problem arises when people somehow expect same treatment for different plots.

Edit: Out for the night. It's nearly 1 AM here and Sunday already. Play nice and do not start flame wars.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

2. Did-did you copy that from me? xD

4. GOT HIS ASS

2. Maybe...
4. Thanks

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes, I suppose it is easier to give shitty insults than rebuttal.


Oh no, we know the Monster Trio is faaar ahead of the rest. But, their main uses lie outside of battle and they all have provided a significant role time and time again, so we're fine with the M3 outclassing them in battle.

Because idk One piece is based on Luffy's crew...

"the main trio"... sadly Zoro out classes Sanji. While Luffy and Zoro don't have that big of a gap.

Love how your calling Naruto people useless because they don't show their worth on the screen.... When Oda gives Dragon /Shanks any time on the screen lets talk.

 

[Craziie]

Because people like the story better...that's why they say that.
Both are enjoyable to me and can annoy me on many levels on times.

I don't think oda is better or Kishi is better. Both great magnaka.

 

[EternalFlame]

The world of One Piece feels 'bigger' denser. There's all these factions and mysteries, different lands and the story just feels 'tighter' in a way. Naruto to me feels simple and shallow in comparison.