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6pathofpain
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
true but suasnoo is a sharingun thing it has nothing to do with the rinnegun
6pathofpain
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I dont even see how people compare the 2, what has the 3rd really done? Who has he really beat? He beat the 1st an the 2nd while they were being controlled by someone who didnt even no them or the extent of there abilities. Im sure we can all agree if the 1st who fought the 3rd fought madara he would get murder(without the rinnegun). As far as accomplishments he's not on the 1st level, as far as pure strength he's not on the 1st level, an he's not on the 1st medical level either. Honestly, if the 3rd was ssssoooooooooooo strong why is it no one knows what his prime was capable of? No one knows his most powerful jutsu, an when i say his i mean somethin thats his jutsu not minato's death reaper seal which minato show to the 3rd. The 3rd is in know way on the 1st level except he knows more jutsu an kakashi knows more jutsu than everybody but he's no where near the strongest.
I dont even see how people compare the 2, what has the 3rd really done? Who has he really beat? He beat the 1st an the 2nd while they were being controlled by someone who didnt even no them or the extent of there abilities. Im sure we can all agree if the 1st who fought the 3rd fought madara he would get murder(without the rinnegun). As far as accomplishments he's not on the 1st level, as far as pure strength he's not on the 1st level, an he's not on the 1st medical level either. Honestly, if the 3rd was ssssoooooooooooo strong why is it no one knows what his prime was capable of? No one knows his most powerful jutsu, an when i say his i mean somethin thats his jutsu not minato's death reaper seal which minato show to the 3rd. The 3rd is in know way on the 1st level except he knows more jutsu an kakashi knows more jutsu than everybody but he's no where near the strongest.
Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Iruka calling Hiruzen the strongest hokage out of all the other hokages was pure hype. It's proven here,
Iruka calling Hiruzen the strongest hokage out of all the other hokages was pure hype. It's proven here,
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. If not even Tsunade knew the true power of Hashirama then how is Iruka going too know the true capability of Hasirama? Also didn't Hasirama and Madara fight multiple times? So Kurama or not Hasirama would have won. Even Madara himself has respect for Hasirama and never denied his loss.
KamuiShiryu
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
So i'm new here but does everyone ignore what kishi says????
So i'm new here but does everyone ignore what kishi says????
minatoisagod
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Man with the hype kishi gave hashi in the series now i really do believe he is the strongest hokage well atleast in raw power.
Man with the hype kishi gave hashi in the series now i really do believe he is the strongest hokage well atleast in raw power.
Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
-Hashi was the strongest senju (descendent of the younger brother, strongest clan only competitor being uchia)
-Healing techs surpassing Tsunade (who was said to be impossibe to kill in vs combat)
-Can literally change/manipulate the landscape and poison the atmosphere (thats like fighting garra in the desert but 10x worse)
-defeated MADARA UCHIA WITH KYUBI (strongest Uchia with strongest tailedbeast)
-He is so OP he became a myth (like the SO6P)
How can he possibly lose to Hiruzen? BTW your my favorite debater and im a big fan of your work. so this is not me bashing you, just my input on this topic
Just because Hashi was Hiruzen master does not mean he knows his weakness. Hiruzen isn't even capable of learning mokuton so why would hiruzen show and explain the weakness of his "Hidden" Jutsu. Plus if you go by that method Jman, Oro, and Tsu > Hiruzen since he was their master and they know his weakness. Or any student can defeat their master since they must know their weakness. Also if we can say that, can we not say that since Hashi was his master that Hashi knows Hiruzen's strength and weakness as well?
-Hashi was the strongest senju (descendent of the younger brother, strongest clan only competitor being uchia)
-Healing techs surpassing Tsunade (who was said to be impossibe to kill in vs combat)
-Can literally change/manipulate the landscape and poison the atmosphere (thats like fighting garra in the desert but 10x worse)
-defeated MADARA UCHIA WITH KYUBI (strongest Uchia with strongest tailedbeast)
-He is so OP he became a myth (like the SO6P)
How can he possibly lose to Hiruzen? BTW your my favorite debater and im a big fan of your work. so this is not me bashing you, just my input on this topic
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konflikt1911
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Just cuz she is shocked by how strong her grandfather had to be doesnt mean he was stronger thanhiruzen she prolly always thought hiruzen was stronger and now she sees her grandfather was really strong too.
Just cuz she is shocked by how strong her grandfather had to be doesnt mean he was stronger thanhiruzen she prolly always thought hiruzen was stronger and now she sees her grandfather was really strong too.
FlyingThunderGodHax
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Yes it's quite obvious with the proof so far that hashi is better then hiruzen. Bringer of darkness was the end for him. But oro chose to toy with him. Lets say they have a rematch. Hiruzen gets caught with Bringer of darkness then hashi activates flower world + Mokuton: Daijurin no Jutsu. Hiruzen has no abilities thus far which can counter this.
Yes it's quite obvious with the proof so far that hashi is better then hiruzen. Bringer of darkness was the end for him. But oro chose to toy with him. Lets say they have a rematch. Hiruzen gets caught with Bringer of darkness then hashi activates flower world + Mokuton: Daijurin no Jutsu. Hiruzen has no abilities thus far which can counter this.
LeEvilTongue
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Yes in terms of power Hashirama is definetely stronger. However it has been proven by canon that Hiruzen can still beat Hashirama.
Yes in terms of power Hashirama is definetely stronger. However it has been proven by canon that Hiruzen can still beat Hashirama.
shinobu sensui
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Why would she know the first hokages full ability ? Did you witness your grandfather in his prime ? No. You have no logical reason to say such outlandish things like hiruzen can beat madara or the first
Why would she know the first hokages full ability ? Did you witness your grandfather in his prime ? No. You have no logical reason to say such outlandish things like hiruzen can beat madara or the first
shinobu sensui
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Of this hiruzen hype is annoying , we have never seen his prime! "prime hiruzen" is not a character featured in the manga!!! Oonki is old as shit and still have killed orochimaru
Of this hiruzen hype is annoying , we have never seen his prime! "prime hiruzen" is not a character featured in the manga!!! Oonki is old as shit and still have killed orochimaru
narutownsyouall
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
Thats because the only person who actually got to fight Madara and win was Hashirama because Madara was dead when Hiruzen was around. It was stated in both part 1 and 2 that Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensai. I do not know. A>B>C logic does not work in Naruto so He may and he may not. But he already beat Hashirama.
Its Hiruzen when he was reigning as the Hokage.
Thats because the only person who actually got to fight Madara and win was Hashirama because Madara was dead when Hiruzen was around. It was stated in both part 1 and 2 that Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensai. I do not know. A>B>C logic does not work in Naruto so He may and he may not. But he already beat Hashirama.
kellzfresh
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Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen
That means he can use ems powers seperately, rinnegan power seperately, and hashis powers seperately.
The only rinnegan power he used so far, is absorbing techniques, the wood is hashi's, the rest is his own power. And now he has shown his full EMS strength. Having rinnegan does not mean it increases ur EMS, it only adds new powers.
Nope madara had this susanoo before, even oonoki asked him why he didn't use his full strength last time.
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That means he can use ems powers seperately, rinnegan power seperately, and hashis powers seperately.
The only rinnegan power he used so far, is absorbing techniques, the wood is hashi's, the rest is his own power. And now he has shown his full EMS strength. Having rinnegan does not mean it increases ur EMS, it only adds new powers.
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he always had the power to slash through anyting in his arsenal.