Hiruzen

[immortal sage]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

This proves nothing.

It's funny how people Clutch at every little straw to try to prove Hashirama > Hirzuen, It's quite entertaining to what these people fail xd.

and its funny how wrong you arexdxd

 

[immortal sage]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

Are you serious?

Summoning Monkey King Enma >> Mokuton

Mokuton isn't a problem to Hiruzen as you've seen them fight, Hiruzen won, move on, live with it.

so summaning a monkey is more powerfull than a jutsu so powerfull that you have to redraw mapsyour logic is confussing

 

[The Monster]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

lol yup she was shock

 

[Exaar]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

and its funny how wrong you arexdxd

Not really.

I have Manga Pages and the Databook quotes to back me up.

Kishi/Manga/Databooks > Your opinion.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

The thing is, Hiruzen was there when iruka said it, yet hiruzen didn't scold him for the statement or Disagree with it, He just simply said something like "don't talk about the past", Meaning in the past iruka's statement was True.

May I see the scan? Aslo, what of it? Just because he didn't deny it, doesn't mean he isn't less powerful than one of the others.

Tenten > White fang?

Uh huh. Ok then, I will slightly change my meaning. Having hype means that you're good enough to deserve it. The simple fact that the White Fang has that kind of hype that he was even compared to the Sannins means that he did great things deserving of that hype. But the fact that both Hashi and Hiruzen have massive hype, I ignore it, because at the level they are at it can't be trusted as a fair way to judge their full poewr, and so all that is left are the feats they were capable of. And currently, Hashirama has shown to have made some pretty incredible feats, like beating the guy who is reshaping the terrain.

 

[Koibito]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

a > b > c does not work in narutoverse my friend.

Plus, Madara is more powerful now because of rinnegan.

This exactly^^

 

[lonewolf77766]

Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

List of retconned in Naruto Manga:

Uchiha Clan planned for coup de etat

Itachi as a good guy

Pain is just an acting leader

Tobi manipulated the Kyuubi

Tobi is not Madara

Hashirama's hype

Rinnegan, the evolution of Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan

etc.................


Hiruzen was shown in the flashback of Naruto part 2. Despite all these retcons, Kishimoto didn't retconned Hiruzen's status as the strongest. Kishimoto had months and years to retcon Hiruzen but he did not. These retcons speak for itself and the never ending arguments of Hashi-Fanbous who can't move on.

 

[-Logic-]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

I already told you that kishi cant prove that hashi is the strongest because right now no one in the war lived through his prime, except madara, so wait, and you'll see for yourself.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

agreed.
gonna get flamed by hiruzen's gang soon though

 

[Cfighter]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

Well that is the price to pay for not planning out a story before you start it. Granted he had no clue about this in part 1, but I think the series would have benefited if Kishi had waited a year or so before starting Shipuuden. That way he could have planned out EVERYTHING he wanted to cover in Part 2 without contradicting anything he writes.

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

I already told you that kishi cant prove that hashi is the strongest because right now no one in the war lived through his prime, except madara, so wait, and you'll see for yourself.

Just admit it, right now, Hiruzen is above Hashi until retcon comes , if it will happen.

 

[NOemotions]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

agreed.
gonna get flamed by hiruzen's gang soon though

hiruzen gang.. ROFLED xd haha, thx for laughs haha xd

 

[Kettei]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

shut the buck up dude youre killing me with this f-in hiruzen fanboy stuff.

 

[soulless uchiha]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

Another freakin hashi vs hiru thread!?!

 

[XxTsuchikageXx]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

These hiruzen fanboys just dont learn smfh

 

[Exaar]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

Stop making threads.

Your making things worse, Not better.

 

[-Logic-]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

Just admit it, right now, Hiruzen is above Hashi until retcon comes , if it will happen.

just because kishi hasn't said it yet doesn't mean its not true I dont blame you for not being as intuitive as me, but its all good. Just wait.

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

just because kishi hasn't said it yet doesn't mean its not true I dont blame you for not being as intuitive as me, but its all good. Just wait.

To say just wait is like saying "just wait for the retcon, Hiruzen is still stronger than Hashirama", like I told you before, Kishi had lots of time to do that, few years ago was the best time to retcon Hiruzen, not now that the manga is near to it's end.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

You guys do know that Madara now has Hashirama DNA meaning his a hell of alot stronger then when he fought Hashirama. So unless Hashirama has Madaras DNA I Highly doubt Hashirama can beat edo Madara.....

Madara did state that the only thing that has the destrution power of his Susanoo is a bijuu Hence why hashirama is the only person capable of beating Madara sense his the only one that is able to control them...

 

[MRMichael]

Re: Lots of retconning in Naruto Manga, despite all these, Hiruzen was not retconned

List of retconned in Naruto Manga:

Uchiha Clan planned for coup de etat

Itachi as a good guy

Pain is just an acting leader

Tobi manipulated the Kyuubi

Tobi is not Madara

Hashirama's hype

Rinnegan, the evolution of Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan

etc.................


Hiruzen was shown in the flashback of Naruto part 2. Despite all these retcons, Kishimoto didn't retconned Hiruzen's status as the strongest. Kishimoto had months and years to retcon Hiruzen but he did not. These retcons speak for itself and the never ending arguments of Hashi-Fanbous who can't move on.

Hiruzen was taught by Hashirama and Tobirama.
Knew all the justu in his village
Was known as the god of shinobi he was stated as the strongest kage of his time by the time he was kage both hashirama and tobirama were dead
so they were not taken into acount at the time the statement was made
i for one think he is not as strong as either kage simply because they are who they are and they are the ones who trained him so they know how he fights