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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

He meant that everything madara can do now hashirama can do too. Therefor any feat madara does using wood is a feat toward hashirama.
But Madara's Mokuton size-wise > Hashirama's, judging by the fact that he has both Uchiha and Senju DNA, as well as Kabuto's enhancements.

And sure, Hashirama might have had more raw power (making him a myth, possibly), but Hiruzen still > Hashirama in MY opinion.
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

But Madara's Mokuton size-wise > Hashirama's, judging by the fact that he has both Uchiha and Senju DNA, as well as Kabuto's enhancements.

And sure, Hashirama might have had more raw power (making him a myth, possibly), but Hiruzen still > Hashirama in MY opinion.
I think hashirama and madara's wood style are equal... i mean, madara has more power behind it, but hashirama has more skill and training behind his. I think that about equals each one out.
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Oh god. It never outright claimed Hashirama was the strongest. The best it could do was say he was the strongest of his era; he was 'called the strongest' (at THAT time in the PAST, BEFORE Hiruzen). Minato was never outright said to be the strongest. Hiruzen was just plain outright said to be the strongest, with only Tsunade being omitted from this statement amongst the Hokages. So unless you believe Tsunade is the strongest hokage, there really is nothing to debate.
I think you read that wrong or i wrote that wrong.......just saying more people claim the 1 and 4 is the strongest..and less people say the 3 was
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

besides the oro fight what feats does hiruzen have?
Hashirama's only feats are the techs Edo Madara has shown, and beating Madara.

Hiruzen has the Oro fight, knowing every jutsu in Konoha, and knowing over 1000 illusions (Genjutsu), and receiving the name "The God of Shinobi."
 

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It's ridiculous that this shit is still going on. They both have hype but if you think there is something stronger than 'the strongest', then I really don't understand WTF you are doing with your life, I really don't.
 

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Hashirama's only feats are the techs Edo Madara has shown, and beating Madara.

Hiruzen has the Oro fight, knowing every jutsu in Konoha, and knowing over 1000 illusions (Genjutsu), and receiving the name "The God of Shinobi."
though didnt hashi get strongest of his era by a few people...anbu called him and his brother the strongest shinobi...and i wouldnt rate knowing 1k genjutsu that much of a big deal ..he cant perfom them all ...(kakashi knows 1k genjutsu too doesnt he?) ...i wont talk about oro fight ... and yes he is called god of shinobi ...(though i believe only so6p is god of shinobi but thats just me)
 

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It's ridiculous that this shit is still going on. They both have hype but if you think there is something stronger than 'the strongest', then I really don't understand WTF you are doing with your life, I really don't.
A quote from the time where his only feat so far was looking through a crystal ball....
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

I'm telling you that 8/9 year old quotes don't mean shit, when they're from the time where naruto didn't even know he had the nine tailed fox in him.
Manga evidence or GTFO. I don't care what you think interms of this debate, I care what the manga says.
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

though didnt hashi get strongest of his era by a few people...anbu called him and his brother the strongest shinobi...and i wouldnt rate knowing 1k genjutsu that much of a big deal ..he cant perfom them all ...(kakashi knows 1k genjutsu too doesnt he?) ...i wont talk about oro fight ... and yes he is called god of shinobi ...(though i believe only so6p is god of shinobi but thats just me)
Lol'ed and Facepalmed IRL at Bold.


Kakashi knows 1000 Ninjutsu's he Copied with his sharingan, it's highly possible that Hiruzen has a Larger Jutsu pool than even Kakashi overall.

he knows 1000 Genjutsu's and Once had known and was able to use all Ninjutsu in the leaf.
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Let me just say this:

Hiruzen was a master of over 1000 Genjutsu's, he Also has a 5 in Genjutsu
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He was known as "the professor" for Knowing and being able to use all known (Non Kg) Jutsu's in the leaf at one Point in time.
He has shown Fire and earth, I would say it's safe to assume he can also use Water, Possibly Wind aswell.
Also having a 5 in Ninjutsu
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Even in his old age he was said to be the strongest of the 5 current kages.
Kabuto has been a Spy from a Very young age, He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't know.
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Hiruzen also has Mostly all 5's in his Databook Stats. Only lacking Speed/Strength/Stamina because of his Old age.

Proof os his Weakening in his old age. hiruzen was suprised how heavy Enma felt in his pole form
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Proof of his stamina weakening. One of the Anbu stats his chara has declined.
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Enma asked what was wrong with him and stated that he wasn't fighting like he normaly does.
Yet he was still able to hold his ground against two Kages.

Even in his old age, it was said he was Equal to Oro, when the manga had stated many times he is far weaker than his prime.
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Even Though Hiruzen was "Slacking" and Lacking his normal fighting prowess, He still was able to Compete with both Hashirama's and Tobirama's Taijutsu while planting Tags of them.
Even oro didn't notice.
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Enma has already Proved to be able to Counter Hashirama's wood style.
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He has already Countered bringer of darkness.
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Note: Look at the Page, and you see "Sniff", So hirzens sense of Smell must be quite good to be able to find Hashirama and Tobirama while he is blind.

Thats all i can be bothered to do at this point in timeU_U.
Thank u! People will say Hiruzen is weak but never would they say Onoki or 3rd Raikage was weak even though Hiruzen was considered stronger then them.
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Lol'ed and Facepalmed IRL at Bold.


Kakashi knows 1000 Ninjutsu's he Copied with his sharingan, it's highly possible that Hiruzen has a Larger Jutsu pool than even Kakashi overall.

he knows 1000 Genjutsu's and Once had known and was able to use all Ninjutsu in the leaf.
so when fighting someone he will use his 1k genjutsus ? ah ok :)
 

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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

so when fighting someone he will use his 1k genjutsus ? ah ok :)
He wouldn't need to use all 1k, Since he has so many, he can easily assess the situation and use one of his 1k that is best for that situation.

Same goes for Kakashi, Just because he has 1k and doesn't/can't spam them, Doesn't make the feat any less impressive.
 
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

In my opinion; Senju Hashirama is stronger than Sarutobi Hiruzen, He's just a beast(healing without handseals just using mokutun o_O). But Facts Manga said clearly Hiruzen is strongest. and It's possible, Hiruzen's masters Hashirama and Tobirama + he's Genius, knowing all konoha jutsus, 5 nature element, he has god of shinobi title after all. You can say anything about that but all of them are just your opinions.
 
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