Hiruzen

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

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Think i'm done here, enjoy basking in your opinion, I really can't be bothered to repeat myself again.

Ok. Finally some real proof. It's about f***ing time.

I'm in a rush here at the end, so i'm not about to look through 500 chapters to find these quotes, but

Dan- quoted saying that hashirama is the ONLY person capable of stopping madara. Hmm, a man who lived in hiruzen's time promoting a different hokage... interesting.

Madara- If i had known how weak the ninja would become i would have taught hashirama how to come back to life (or something along those lines) Assuming that he really did know nagato, which he pretty much has proven, he knows of hiruzen's prowess and doesn't even bat an eyelash at it.

Those are just two quotes more recent that... 7/8 something years ago back in part one when iruka giving praise meant something. In fact one quote was from 10 or so chapters ago. My math says that 2 quotes are better than one, and i'll even be generous and say my two equal yours

So with 1=2. That leaves the rest to hype right? And now we're back to my last past where hashirama's hype bends over and takes a dump on hiruzens.

In all honesty, i thought your quote was from kishi. But this is even worse for you than that would have been.

 

[wyliejl]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

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Think i'm done here, enjoy basking in your opinion, I really can't be bothered to repeat myself again.

Hmmmmm yea what i thought a weakling did call him that lmfao

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Hmmmmm yea what i thought a weakling did call him that lmfao

The key phrase there is "was said to be the strongest of all", not " I (Iruka) think he's the strongest of all" :|...

 

[Enton]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Hmmmmm yea what i thought a weakling did call him that lmfao

Actually says 'he was called', clearly indicating that a number of people called him the strongest. Try again.

 

[Uchiha Dan]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

''amaterasu is as hot as the sun,which we know its not true.''

Have you been attacked by Amaterasu before?

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

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Think i'm done here, enjoy basking in your opinion, I really can't be bothered to repeat myself again.

Often called....he was said to be... though not bashing or anything who said this ..are they the people which saw him fight...did they see anyone else just as strong? ...i am sure if a village saw pain destroy a village in a move(shinra tensei) they will all call him the strongest cause they Saw him do something ...so i think only people of his time called him the strongest just as how hashirama was called the strongest of his time...now Naruto will be called the strongest of his time..get it |hashirama's time was the strongest |hiruzens time was the strongest | now its naruto's turn for the strongest praise. people need to stop arguing about this...(do i think hiruzen can beat everyone in narutoverse ..no) doesnt mean i can a be right and if u say so doesnt mean youre right either...tbh we can never know because the MANGA never stated hiruzen can beat hashirama...unless i missed a page

 

[wyliejl]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Actually says 'he was called', clearly indicating that a number of people called him the strongest. Try again.

Ok....if the 3rd is the strongest like everyone says why their not anyone compared to his strength and not the 1st and 4th???

 

[Enton]

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Ok....if the 3rd is the strongest like everyone says why their not anyone compared to his strength and not the 1st and 4th???

This is the problem. The vast majority of people begin to over think things they have no chance of finding a true answer to. The manga has spoken and that's all there is to it at this moment in time.

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Ok. Finally some real proof. It's about f***ing time.

I'm in a rush here at the end, so i'm not about to look through 500 chapters to find these quotes, but

Dan- quoted saying that hashirama is the ONLY person capable of stopping madara. Hmm, a man who lived in hiruzen's time promoting a different hokage... interesting.

Madara- If i had known how weak the ninja would become i would have taught hashirama how to come back to life (or something along those lines) Assuming that he really did know nagato, which he pretty much has proven, he knows of hiruzen's prowess and doesn't even bat an eyelash at it.

Those are just two quotes more recent that... 7/8 something years ago back in part one when iruka giving praise meant something. In fact one quote was from 10 or so chapters ago. My math says that 2 quotes are better than one, and i'll even be generous and say my two equal yours

So with 1=2. That leaves the rest to hype right? And now we're back to my last past where hashirama's hype bends over and takes a dump on hiruzens.

In all honesty, i thought your quote was from kishi. But this is even worse for you than that would have been.

Erm, too bad Madara never witnessed Hiruzen's prime.

And Dan stated that because Hashirama fought him his entire life, and knew all of his weaknesses.

Oh, you have more people backing up Hashirama?

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[Kuro Tamashi]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

''amaterasu is as hot as the sun,which we know its not true.''

Have you been attacked by Amaterasu before?

U_U every tuesday it seems. But I take it like a champ. :scorps: + rep by the way that made me laugh

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

This is the problem. The vast majority of people begin to over think things they have no chance of finding a true answer to. The manga has spoken and that's all there is to it at this moment in time.

The manga was also written before even kishi knew what hashirama was going to look like. 8 year old quotes don't stack up very well anymore.

 

[Exaar]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Let me just say this:

Hiruzen was a master of over 1000 Genjutsu's, he Also has a 5 in Genjutsu

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He was known as "the professor" for Knowing and being able to use all known (Non Kg) Jutsu's in the leaf at one Point in time.
He has shown Fire and earth, I would say it's safe to assume he can also use Water, Possibly Wind aswell.
Also having a 5 in Ninjutsu

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Even in his old age he was said to be the strongest of the 5 current kages.
Kabuto has been a Spy from a Very young age, He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't know.

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Hiruzen also has Mostly all 5's in his Databook Stats. Only lacking Speed/Strength/Stamina because of his Old age.

Proof os his Weakening in his old age. hiruzen was suprised how heavy Enma felt in his pole form

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Proof of his stamina weakening. One of the Anbu stats his chara has declined.

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Enma asked what was wrong with him and stated that he wasn't fighting like he normaly does.
Yet he was still able to hold his ground against two Kages.

Even in his old age, it was said he was Equal to Oro, when the manga had stated many times he is far weaker than his prime.

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Even Though Hiruzen was "Slacking" and Lacking his normal fighting prowess, He still was able to Compete with both Hashirama's and Tobirama's Taijutsu while planting Tags of them.
Even oro didn't notice.

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Enma has already Proved to be able to Counter Hashirama's wood style.

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He has already Countered bringer of darkness.

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Note: Look at the Page, and you see "Sniff", So hirzens sense of Smell must be quite good to be able to find Hashirama and Tobirama while he is blind.

Thats all i can be bothered to do at this point in timeU_U.

 

[Enton]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

The manga was also written before even kishi knew what hashirama was going to look like. 8 year old quotes don't stack up very well anymore.

Stop interpreting things with your opinion, it's laughable.

 

[wyliejl]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

This is the problem. The vast majority of people begin to over think things they have no chance of finding a true answer to. The manga has spoken and that's all there is to it at this moment in time.

The manga has been spoken saying the 1st is the strongest.....and spoken the 4th was the strongest more times then it was spoken about the 3rd!!!!

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Soon they will make a thread saying "The manga is wrong".

They pretty much already do. "Kishi changed his mind!! Proof? I don't need any proof!"

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Let me just say this:

Hiruzen was a master of over 1000 Genjutsu's, he Also has a 5 in Genjutsu

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He was known as "the professor" for Knowing and being able to use all known (Non Kg) Jutsu's in the leaf at one Point in time.
He has shown Fire and earth, I would say it's safe to assume he can also use Water, Possibly Wind aswell.
Also having a 5 in Ninjutsu

Spoiler

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Even in his old age he was said to be the strongest of the 5 current kages.
Kabuto has been a Spy from a Very young age, He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't know.

Spoiler

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Hiruzen also has Mostly all 5's in his Databook Stats. Only lacking Speed/Strength/Stamina because of his Old age.

Proof os his Weakening in his old age. hiruzen was suprised how heavy Enma felt in his pole form

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Proof of his stamina weakening. One of the Anbu stats his chara has declined.

Spoiler

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Enma asked what was wrong with him and stated that he wasn't fighting like he normaly does.
Yet he was still able to hold his ground against two Kages.

Even in his old age, it was said he was Equal to Oro, when the manga had stated many times he is far weaker than his prime.

Spoiler

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Even Though Hiruzen was "Slacking" and Lacking his normal fighting prowess, He still was able to Compete with both Hashirama's and Tobirama's Taijutsu while planting Tags of them.
Even oro didn't notice.

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Enma has already Proved to be able to Counter Hashirama's wood style.

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He has already Countered bringer of darkness.

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Note: Look at the Page, and you see "Sniff", So hirzens sense of Smell must be quite good to be able to find Hashirama and Tobirama while he is blind.

Thats all i can be bothered to do at this point in timeU_U.

See, i actually respect this. Finally someone who doesn't just say "he was said to be strongest blah blah blah." I don't agree, but we have our opinions. +rep sir.

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Hiruzen was called the strongest EARLY pt 1, I don't think he realized there would be a part 2 or knew where he was going with the story at that point. He's only human guys, he's bound to contradict himself.


IMO hype aside, Hashi stomps Hiruzen.

Hashi has as much hype as Hiruzen, with better feats (through Edo Madara)

What Edo Madara is stating is hype, not feats (other then being able to heal yourself).

 

[JakeLife510]

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Lmao Hiruzen is not weak at all he was trained by the 1st and 2nd Hokages.

He trained J-Man, Oro and Tsunade. Look how strong they are.

Took out 2 Edo Kages and crippled Oro.

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

What Edo Madara is stating is hype, not feats (other then being able to heal yourself).

He meant that everything madara can do now hashirama can do too. Therefor any feat madara does using wood is a feat toward hashirama.

 

[Enton]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

The manga has been spoken saying the 1st is the strongest.....and spoken the 4th was the strongest more times then it was spoken about the 3rd!!!!

Oh god. It never outright claimed Hashirama was the strongest. The best it could do was say he was the strongest of his era; he was 'called the strongest' (at THAT time in the PAST, BEFORE Hiruzen). Minato was never outright said to be the strongest. Hiruzen was just plain outright said to be the strongest, with only Tsunade being omitted from this statement amongst the Hokages. So unless you believe Tsunade is the strongest hokage, there really is nothing to debate.