hiruzen sarutobi vs minato namikize

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and jut wtf can hiruzen do in his prime? r u dumb stop talking about shit that you dont know

hiruzen has no space-time ninjutsu, no kekkei genkai, no special jutsu that he create, he has nothing but that stupid monkey summon

and you guys wanna put him agaisnt minato?

all i have seen from this loser is fire and earth combinations that were very weak man please all this noise about hiruzen needs to stop, there is no way he in hell he could defeat any other kage in his prime much less minato
In his prime he was deemed to be one of the strongest ninja's that has ever lived. He doesn't need space time ninjutsu/kekkei genkai to be considered as such.

You need to open yourself to other opinions, because all you are doing is hurling abuse without even thinking about what the others are saying.

As for your last point he effectively countered both the 1st and the 2nd hokage, whilst fighting Orochimaru, all in his old age. His fire and earth techniques were actually pretty powerful, but remember that he was fighting Orochimaru, who was practically immortal.

Either way, I agree that Minato would beat Hiruzen, even in his prime. But that is purely based on the fact that in order for Hiruzen to fight, he would need time to make seals. Time which he would not have.

In reality we can only speculate as we do not know the true abilities of Hiruzen.
 

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I like how u've backed ur points but most of them are plot and hype no jutsu. Hurizen trained 3 good sanin student in his lifetime, minato had 1, doesnt mean shit. Oro was already a genius young lad, tsunade - senju, jiraiya - weak until decided to get strong for female attention(wasnt really inspired my teacher). Hurizen being a professor was probably a better teacher tho. Remember, u dont choose ur student
Judging on the reaction of hurizen because of the 4th coffin proves he may have lost. Maybe 3 hokages will be overkill but nevertheless, he would lose to minato.
Prime hurizen has just hypes so I cant comment on him. Gai
I love how you explain in....People fail to realize that Kishi basically made Hiruzen the perfect Hokage....Perfect Ninja... Having 5'S in everythign in the databook....Never before seen.......
Ninjutsu,Taijutsu,Genjutsu,Speed,Strength,Handseals,Stanime ...All 5's in his prime......

This man held his own against 2 kages and a sannin..... and Monkey king enma remarked that his performance was "miserable compared to his old days" WTF? If holding your own against 3 kage level ninja and he was doing miserable, Imagine what prime hiruzen was like with 5's in all stats....


This man was one of the strongest shinobi to ever live.....Deemed God of Shinobi.....Deemed Professor because he knew and could use all the jutsu of konha.... You all realize that you need to throw kunai to do ftg? right?.....You really think any respectable ninja would let that kunai get near them, without throwing a kunai back to change it's direction?

 
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How ironic that you accuse others of being a fanboy/hater when you are the equivalent of one. You have done nothing but degrade and hate on Hiruzen, despite what the author of this series tells us. Let me tell you how Hiruzen can beat Minato, It’s quite simply actually, Hiruzen sarutobi was said to be the strongest hokage ever, which includes your hero Minato. Rather obvious eh? I clearly remember you are arguing the fact that Itachi was stronger than Madara, of course until recently, when you suddenly changed your tune (I wonder why?). You should have believed the manga, when it stated that Madara was the strongest uchiha ever. Same goes for Shisui’s genjutsu skills. A character can be proven not trustworthy (like Tobi), and if that happens you have an automatically right to question everything he says in the future, but until then the statements made in the manga stand.

Now you don’t seem slow, so I can’t fathom how you can claim, as a fact, that Hiruzen doesn’t have a counter to FTG, when we know for a fact that Hiruzen mastered every technique in Konoha .It was also said in the latest official fan book that he had a counter to every tech, including the EMS. Abscense of evidence is not evidence of abscense.It is not my job to prove that he can (I have both the manga and databook as sources), no it is your job…and until proven otherwise he can utilize all those techs (that aren’t KG’s). You can’t just say that he doesn’t know a clan’s secret technique without backing it up with pages from the manga. You’re merely speculating, which means that you are on the wrong side of the argument. Besides, you don’t need to have an affinity for an element to use it; it just takes more out of you.

Nin Intelligence Fuinjutsu Taijutsu Strenght Genjutsu Speed STA
5 5 5 5 3 5 3 3

He had 5’s in everything that wasn’t affected by age, and we know for a fact that his skills diminished via the colorful commentary from Anbu, Enma, Orchimaru and Hiruzen himself.

Instead of praising Hiruzen for being a beast for, in his prime, ranking over guys like the third raikage, Onoki and Yagura (who are all amazing) you go the other route and question Kishi, which is absurd. Kishi is very careful with his statements, and he had plenty of opportunities to declare a new strongest Kage during this war arc, but he didn’t. Instead he said things like “the third raikage was stronger than all the raikage’s before him”. See the distinction?





Can you dispute any of this? Not with some speculative BS but actual facts? I thought so…

Hiruzen was trained by Hashirama and Tobirama and produced the legendary sannin, while Minato taught a bunch of nobodies. Kakashi being the strongest and we have all seen his limits as a shinobi. Obito who? Are we talking about the worst uchiha kid we have seen? Ryn…run…rin? What’s her name? I think you catch my drift….

Hiruzen had no KG, or special modes like SM, so obviously his prime was in his youth (limited window) when he could utilize his massive chakra reserves and brilliant mind to use all his techniques. How hard is that to understand? He was retired when fox attacked, meaning he wasn’t the strongest in the village anymore. He chased the kyuubi away (he was the leader), and he somehow survived a tail beast bomb since he proclaimed “never again”. Finally his biggest accomplishment was that he became the longest sitting hokage in history, while maintaining konoha’s position as nr 1 villag.












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I back up my sh!t, do you? U_U
u r a noob haha. u make me laughxd. u r saying elephants are stronger than man so elephant must rule the earth :flaw: to win battle u need brain and strenght and speed and minato is perfect combination of all these factors.just like bullet kills mighty elephants , similarly FTG will kill sarutobi in a flash !!!!!!!!!!!:cool: look how pathetic sarutobi looked when all his techniques were useless and he had to resort upon minto's death seal jutsu to seal off only arm of orochimaru. shit on u sarutobi u pathetic old man:flaw::D
 

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I love how you explain in....People fail to realize that Kishi basically made Hiruzen the perfect Hokage....Perfect Ninja... Having 5'S in everythign in the databook....Never before seen.......
Ninjutsu,Taijutsu,Genjutsu,Speed,Strength,Handseals,Stanime ...All 5's in his prime......

This man held his own against 2 kages and a sannin..... and Monkey king enma remarked that his performance was "miserable compared to his old days" WTF? If holding your own against 3 kage level ninja and he was doing miserable, Imagine what prime hiruzen was like with 5's in all stats....


This man was one of the strongest shinobi to ever live.....Deemed God of Shinobi.....Deemed Professor because he knew and could use all the jutsu of konha.... You all realize that you need to throw kunai to do ftg? right?.....You really think any respectable ninja would let that kunai get near them, without throwing a kunai back to change it's direction?

Great statement.
 

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but doesn't the 4th need to tag u or throw a "special" kunai near u to attempt the ftg tech?
Exactly xd, i Don't think people understand how ftg works lmao, i think they think you can just teleport to someone and kill them xD , I always have a nice laugh when they say crap like that

cause as i stated before, no good ninja with info on minato's techniques, would even let a kunai get near them...

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And seeing that Hiruzen knew about ftg, and in the databook said to have a counter forevery jutsu in konoha ... yea people need to start using their brain...Hiruzen isn't the fodder that minato faced in the forest- Kakashi gaiden.....

Tobi got rasengan'd because he absolutely had no idea that minato could teleport to a kunai... If he knew, the match would have most likely took a different turn....
 

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u r a noob haha. u make me laughxd. u r saying elephants are stronger than man so elephant must rule the earth :flaw: to win battle u need brain and strenght and speed and minato is perfect combination of all these factors.just like bullet kills mighty elephants , similarly FTG will kill sarutobi in a flash !!!!!!!!!!!:cool: look how pathetic sarutobi looked when all his techniques were useless and he had to resort upon minto's death seal jutsu to seal off only arm of orochimaru. shit on u sarutobi u pathetic old man:flaw::D
See! This is the majority of Minato's defenders, I know rough right?Ignorant is bliss, just not in this case. :|

This whole time he thought we were talking about physical strenght :shrug:
 

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See! This is the majority of Minato's defenders, I know rough right?Ignorant is bliss, just not in this case. :|

This whole time he thought we were talking about physical strenght :shrug:
Lol yea, most minato defenders are ridiculously ignorant... Some say he can ftg sage of 6 paths and kill him.....You put him in a versus thread with anyone, and all you'll see is , He ftgs and kills the person 1 second into the fight....It gets annoying...


Then they pull out they're little fake interview , saying minato is the strongest -_-
 

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Hmm Hiruzen a student of both the first and second hokage, we may not seen much of what they taught him but i'm pretty sure he had quiet an arsenal of jutsu, so lets not flame him and call him weak, he was also able to counter the infinite darkness jutsu which is no east feat,plus even in his old age and what you would consider a weaken state he gave Oro a good fight, so sarutobi has respect from me. Now Minato, we seen alot of his tech and his genius, and if he lived longer we would probably seen alot more of what he could, but in the battle based off what we seen thus far in the magna i would have to give this fight to Minato cause of his speed, but i dont think it would be an easy fight for either one though, i would say sarutobi would give Minato a good just battle.
 

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I like how u've backed ur points but most of them are plot and hype no jutsu. Hurizen trained 3 good sanin student in his lifetime, minato had 1, doesnt mean shit. Oro was already a genius young lad, tsunade - senju, jiraiya - weak until decided to get strong for female attention(wasnt really inspired my teacher). Hurizen being a professor was probably a better teacher tho. Remember, u dont choose ur student
Judging on the reaction of hurizen because of the 4th coffin proves he may have lost. Maybe 3 hokages will be overkill but nevertheless, he would lose to minato.
Prime hurizen has just hypes so I cant comment on him. Gai
Thx and it's obviously hype, I never denied that. This is a dumb thread,but it doesn't change the fact that its canon.

I disagree about the sannin bit. We can all see the influence the Hiruzen had on the sannin.They are all great with fuuinjutsu, and they work fantastic as a team(all credit to hiruzen,who brought the best out of them).Oro inherited the ninjutsu part, while Jiriaya inherited the guts and determination he possessed(Tsunade has intelligence and guts).

And Kakashi chose his own students since he never passed anyone before meeting team 7.


Minato failed as a teacher, or at least he didn't create a top tier group.
 
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Lol yea, most minato defenders are ridiculously ignorant... Some say he can ftg sage of 6 paths and kill him.....You put him in a versus thread with anyone, and all you'll see is , He ftgs and kills the person 1 second into the fight....It gets annoying...


Then they pull out they're little fake interview , saying minato is the strongest -_-
Exactly.Logic is poison to them :D


Btw,I just noticed itachi made a thread about you(manga section).I know mature...
 
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Exactly.Logic is poison to them :D


Btw,I just noticed itachi made a thread about you(manga section).I know mature...
Lol saw it and posted. lol what's funny is that he ever posted in this thread failed poorly , so he left without admitting defeat, went over to another section, and made a new one, oh so sad...,

His only point was - He can't use Sharingan, that's a jutsu -_-, and when i explained to him that sharingan is a bloodline trait.. and the things bloodline traits cast are the jutsu, he denies it, and had no further points to post.....
 

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Thx and it's obviously hype, I never denied that. This is a dumb thread,but it doesn't change the fact that its canon.

I disagree about the sannin bit. We can all see the influence the Hiruzen had on the sannin.They are all great with fuuinjutsu, and they work fantastic as a team(all credit to hiruzen,who brought the best out of them).Oro inherited the ninjutsu part, while Jiriaya inherited the guts and determination he possessed(Tsunade has intelligence and guts).

And Kakashi chose his own students since he never passed anyone before meeting team 7.


Minato failed as a teacher, or at least he didn't create a top tier group.
Minato failed because he died b4 fully trainig his students?:eek:
Remind me who killed Hiruzen? And who became a gambler who almost sold out the village until naruto re-inspired her?
 

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Lol Here is what i believe

Minato was still young....He wasn't even in his prime yet.... He had all the potential in the world to eventually surpass Hiruzen by miles...But he died really young before even adding his element to rasengan......
Prime Hiruzen >= None prime Minato.....
 

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Lol saw it and posted. lol what's funny is that he ever posted in this thread failed poorly , so he left without admitting defeat, went over to another section, and made a new one, oh so sad...,

His only point was - He can't use Sharingan, that's a jutsu -_-, and when i explained to him that sharingan is a bloodline trait.. and the things bloodline traits cast are the jutsu, he denies it, and had no further points to post.....
lol

Minato failed because he died b4 fully trainig his students?:eek:
Remind me who killed Hiruzen? And who became a gambler who almost sold out the village until naruto re-inspired her?
All about context. I was talking about strenght, not the human side of it. Hiruzen clearly failed Oro, and he openly admitted it.He was simply too soft and compassionate for his own good.Enma even said that he should have killed him when he had the chance.

Tsunade suffered under severe trauma, nothing to do with the third hokage.Who was remembered when lee was fighting for his life?


btw, I should say there are reasonable minato fans but as always it is the ignorant ones who are the loudest. Minato had great potential and he was a genious, but he simply died too young. He didn't even complete his rasengan....
 
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Exactly xd, i Don't think people understand how ftg works lmao, i think they think you can just teleport to someone and kill them xD , I always have a nice laugh when they say crap like that

cause as i stated before, no good ninja with info on minato's techniques, would even let a kunai get near them...

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And seeing that Hiruzen knew about ftg, and in the databook said to have a counter forevery jutsu in konoha ... yea people need to start using their brain...Hiruzen isn't the fodder that minato faced in the forest- Kakashi gaiden.....

Tobi got rasengan'd because he absolutely had no idea that minato could teleport to a kunai... If he knew, the match would have most likely took a different turn....
What if minato used a cloning technique and equip the clones with tags.the clones fight at close range to the enemy(cause i know of not many jutsus which can blow clones away,and tags have NO chakra signature,so they wouldn't know the clone is tagged)as soon as they poof the tag gets deposited near them(and the enemy)and kaboom!you know what'll happen then.don't ya?(don't argue with me that 'a good ninja doesn't let clones get near him cause thats BULLSHIT).
 

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i doubt minato would lose to the that old man
and if you say prime stfu cause no one knows how he was in his prime its just hear say
and minato didnt even reach his full potential imagaine that
 
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