hiruzen sarutobi vs minato namikize

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Minato never fought in public? what the hell are you talking about.... everyone who was anyone knew what minato could do... villages had flee on sight because of his ability to massacre groups of ninja....what are you talking about fighting in shadows? ... he wasnt anbu....And don't like how you are exaggerating what he said....
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He wasnt horrified of Minato, 3 kages just seemed like too much for him....





lol i suggest you reread the previous posts.....The correct translation was said in past tense, that he knew and could perform all the existing techs in konoha... not Know and can perform all techs in konoha... The keyword is existing , meaning excluding past people who died , So at one point he could perform all jutsu...Sharingan isnt a jutsu... the things it casts are the jutsu-Tsukyomi etc.....Genetic traits- Bloodline limits aren't techniques, but they allow the user to use techniques... Kimmamro's bone condition allows him to use a jutsu called bone bullet etc..... Sigh i covered all of this in the past pages.... Its no exaggeration ..




So stop speculating and go off what Kishi has shown us

^ HAHA i absolutely love you, I love that sentence, know why? What has kishi shown us? Hiruzen - Strongest Hokage
Hiruzen - Strongest kage
- Hiruzen - knowledge of all existing konoha jutsu, known to have been able to use every existing konoha jutsu


THOSE my friends are the facts kishi has shown us in the manga and databooks... Anything else is Opinion...Your statement smells of hipocrisy...
Lol we have had our differences, one of them being you ironically labeled me a Minato fanboy, but I completely agree with you. He is the one who is ignoring what Kishi has shown us. Hiruzen>Minato. Minato is one of my two favorite characters but Hiruzen was better.
 

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minato a holes hiruzen good but i have never heard when you run into him on the battle field run or anything except a few tails he was jiraya's age when the nine tails attacked and was useless , and look how well jiraya's fought pain at the same age ( that piece was added for fools who like to talk shit)
Jiraiya was 50, Hiruzen was 70. HUGE difference. When Hiruzen was past 50, he could ward off the Nine Tails until Minato, IN HIS PRIME, got there.
 

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Lol we have had our differences, one of them being you ironically labeled me a Minato fanboy, but I completely agree with you. He is the one who is ignoring what Kishi has shown us. Hiruzen>Minato. Minato is one of my two favorite characters but Hiruzen was better.

Lol ya m8 sry, i retracted my statement about you being a minato fan, after seeing you post in some thread a while back where you clearly showed non biasness :( , My bad,
 

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Jiraiya was 50, Hiruzen was 70. HUGE difference. When Hiruzen was past 50, he could ward off the Nine Tails until Minato, IN HIS PRIME, got there.
First learn how to read
when the fox attacked dude was 52( hiruzen fought orochimaru at 67-68 , look it up at( ) , jiraya died at 54 , danzo was 70 ,

ha:flaw:
 

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First learn how to read
when the fox attacked dude was 52( hiruzen fought orochimaru at 67-68 , look it up at( ) , jiraya died at 54 , danzo was 70 ,

ha:flaw:
Nagato couldn't even handle the Nine tails, and it wasn't even a full Nine Tails. So you're point about Jiraiya and Pain fails. You are an idiot. Let me guess, you think Orochimaru sucks and since Hiruzen as a 69 year old (basically 70) was killed by him, that means Hiruzen sucks? Gosh that must mean Minato sucks because he Orochimaru was going to be named Hokage over him. You're logic fails. YOU FAIL.
 

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Lol ya m8 sry, i retracted my statement about you being a minato fan, after seeing you post in some thread a while back where you clearly showed non biasness :( , My bad,
Lol its all good, its hard to believe someone can just be a fan of Minato's. Especially because of fanboys like Yondaime lol
 

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First learn how to read
when the fox attacked dude was 52( hiruzen fought orochimaru at 67-68 , look it up at( ) , jiraya died at 54 , danzo was 70 ,

ha:flaw:
Oh my, You didn't really think he meant Minato can fight The 9 tailed fox right? I hope you don't believe that... It truly takes some sort of God to fight the nine tails... and even nagato with the rinnegan failed to even beat the 8 tails... The 9 tails is a entirely diff monster.. only the first hokage or someone with sharingan can supress...KEY WORD supress and control...They most likely aren't even able to defeat it in a 1v1 fight... but their abilities allow them to put it in place....

So why did he say he had to hold off for minato to come?

It's quite simple... What did minato posess that was key to the situation....
Two things

Space time barrier jutsu to prevent the tailed beast bombs from destroying the vilalge

-Seals seals and more seals....The key to beating kyuubi is that their is no beating kyuubi...Only supressing.. Controlling , Or sealing it........ Hiruzen most likely didn't posess the wide variety of seals and space time like minato did.....


So when you say Hiruzen couldn't do anything againt the kyuubi and minato could , it really makes no sense...Minato didnt even touch the kyuubi tbh....gamabunta restrained, he sealed...He can't defeat the kyuubi in a fight...almost noone can
 
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Oh my, You didn't really think he meant Minato can fight The 9 tailed fox right? I hope you don't believe that... It truly takes some sort of God to fight the nine tailes... and even nagato with the rinnegan failed to even beat the 8 tails... The 9 tails is a entirely diff monster.. only the first hokage or someone with sharingan can supress...KEY WORD supress and controll...They most likely aren't even able to defeat it in a 1v1 fight... but their abilities allow them to put it in place....

So why did he say he had to hold off for minato to come?

It's quite simple... What did minato posess that was key to the situation....
Two things

Space time barrier jutsu to prevent the tailed beast bombs from destroying the vilalge

-Seals seals and more seals....The key to beating kyuubi is that their is no beating kyuubi...Only supressing.. Controlling , Or sealing it........ Hiruzen most likely didn't posess the wide variety of seals and space time like minato did.....


So when you say Hiruzen couldn't do anything againt the kyuubi and minato could , it really makes no sense...Minato didnt even touch the kyuubi tbh....gamabunta restrained, he sealed...He can't defeat the kyuubi in a fight...almost noone can
This^^ Hiruzen in his prime was the strongest shinobi ever behind SO6P and perhaps his sons. Unless you want to dispute the fact that he was considered the God of Shinobi. Or the fact that he was labeled the strongest Hokage in his prime and the strongest Kage in a generation considered the strongest Kages.
 

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This^^ Hiruzen in his prime was the strongest shinobi ever behind SO6P and perhaps his sons. Unless you want to dispute the fact that he was considered the God of Shinobi. Or the fact that he was labeled the strongest Hokage in his prime and the strongest Kage in a generation considered the strongest Kages.
man stop spamming this crap, for the last time only iruka and some scrubs in the leaf was hyping him, everyone can see hiruzen sucked, no one outside of konoha called him great or even thought about him, he was a waste of space

you caught him crying for minato when the fox attacked right
you caught him about to shit himself when he saw orochimaru about the summon minato

man hiruzen is waste of time, i bet he would get owned by zabuza loool!!
 

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Minato never fought in public? what the hell are you talking about.... everyone who was anyone knew what minato could do... villages had flee on sight because of his ability to massacre groups of ninja....what are you talking about fighting in shadows? ... he wasnt anbu....And don't like how you are exaggerating what he said....
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He wasnt horrified of Minato, 3 kages just seemed like too much for him....





lol i suggest you reread the previous posts.....The correct translation was said in past tense, that he knew and could perform all the existing techs in konoha... not Know and can perform all techs in konoha... The keyword is existing , meaning excluding past people who died , So at one point he could perform all jutsu...Sharingan isnt a jutsu... the things it casts are the jutsu-Tsukyomi etc.....Genetic traits- Bloodline limits aren't techniques, but they allow the user to use techniques... Kimmamro's bone condition allows him to use a jutsu called bone bullet etc..... Sigh i covered all of this in the past pages.... Its no exaggeration ..




So stop speculating and go off what Kishi has shown us

^ HAHA i absolutely love you, I love that sentence, know why? What has kishi shown us? Hiruzen - Strongest Hokage
Hiruzen - Strongest kage
- Hiruzen - knowledge of all existing konoha jutsu, known to have been able to use every existing konoha jutsu


THOSE my friends are the facts kishi has shown us in the manga and databooks... Anything else is Opinion...Your statement smells of hipocrisy...

Wtf yes mangekyou Sharingan can use jutsu... Have you not seen amaterasu?

meh , seems like ima have to go through this again

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Correct translation of the statement ^
Past tense, And the word "Existing"

"ex·ist·ing/igˈzistiNG/Adjective: In existence or operation at the time under consideration; current."

Meaning not dead people....Tobirama had died,First died,Izuna and Madara were dead or confirmed dead(Which means no mangekyou sharingan jutsu existing in konoha)We know sarutobi got title of hokage really young... And the first great ninja war happened shortly after Konaha was formed...Konoha was formed with 2 clans.. Uchiha and senju... others joined after....What that means is whenever he was crowned "Professor" He could use all Existing Konoha jutsu... Got it? "Knew and could"

Also someone posted hiruzen's databook extract on one of the previous pages, go through them one by one till you find it, or google his databook translation

The manga translation that we nowadays give it is what makes it seem exaggerated... oro clearly did not say he could use all Konoha jutsu

I'll agree to disagree with you. Yes anyone can learn Secret clan Technique's I agree with you do and yes I agree with the scan. When it comes down to what jutsus in particular Sarutobi knows we'll just have our on point of view.

Sarutobi still doesn't have any scans however showing his battle prowness in Danzou's falshback I got the impression he was just about as strong as 2nd. Minato was hailed as the Savior of the Shinobi world a truly gifted Shinobi that understood the ninja world. The 4th can beat 13yr prior to the start of the series. In his prime who knows..
 

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Nagato couldn't even handle the Nine tails, and it wasn't even a full Nine Tails. So you're point about Jiraiya and Pain fails. You are an idiot. Let me guess, you think Orochimaru sucks and since Hiruzen as a 69 year old (basically 70) was killed by him, that means Hiruzen sucks? Gosh that must mean Minato sucks because he Orochimaru was going to be named Hokage over him. You're logic fails. YOU FAIL.
i think oro is a force , save the ignorant rants of your sub human brain for those on the same plain of inteligence as yourself, i use logic , im making a point that he should have been more a help during the time of the attack ( it almost as if he wasnt there ) also pain faced a village of shinobi , sage , nine tails up to bout 6 tails then trap it , it was bout to break out , then sage mode again .( EPIC) . IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER YOU NOT AN IDOIT , WE'LL JUST SAY U'RE INTELECTUALLY DISABLED ( MIGHT EVEN SAY CHALLENGE)
 
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I'll agree to disagree with you. Yes anyone can learn Secret clan Technique's I agree with you do and yes I agree with the scan. When it comes down to what jutsus in particular Sarutobi knows we'll just have our on point of view.

Sarutobi still doesn't have any scans however showing his battle prowness in Danzou's falshback I got the impression he was just about as strong as 2nd. Minato was hailed as the Savior of the Shinobi world a truly gifted Shinobi that understood the ninja world. The 4th can beat 13yr prior to the start of the series. In his prime who knows..

As i said , Minato had sooooo much fking potential it's crazy... what was he? in his mid/highish 20's? If he had been alive for a few more years.. maybe living till like 40....He would have by far become one of the strongest shinobi alive.. he would be able to create more jutsu...Finish rasengan by adding his element to it...Etc....He died really young..and couldn't live up to all that potential

And Jiraya thought minato was the saviour of the ninja world, it was actually naruto ;)
 

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Hiruzen can't do shit to minato cause minato taught hiruzen his jutsu which hiruzen resolved to using as the only technique he knew that could defeat orochi and save konoha and also minato was one of the greatest hokage with hashirama
 

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Minato will win against Hiruzen because when he fought Orochimaru he actually interrupted the edo tensei of minato and then he admitted that it would be trouble if he(minato) was to fight against him. Also correct me if am wrong the strongest in the village becomes the Hokage right should this mean that hiruzen actually acknowledged that minato was more powerful than him ,thats why he gave him the title of hokage.
 

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NB's realy dumb eh,hiruzen can't do shit minato man, the dude taught the old gaffer a technique that became his best among his arsenal of techniques and you say he can defeat minato! if it was'nt for that technique he would have been beaten like a bitch and oro would've taken over the village.he also defeated tobi who then told him he deserved tha title of hokage and also he together with hashirama were the greatest hokage
 
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