Actually, saying yes or no is either pure fabrication, as you believe she doesn't have because the manga wasn't show it. The same when I said somewhere that konohamaru knows rasengan and I've received the same reply.This is pure conjecture, the manga has not stated she knows nejis gentle fist trigram attack (thus stopping chakra flow) so yes, we do know if she has it or not, the manga has not shown her with it, therefore she does not have it, to say otherwise is pure fabrication.
Please, tell me where exactly I said she did some damage to pain? If you aren't that good interpreting what other people wants to say, I was talking about the moments at the manga she actually had a direct opponent.....Hinata did more damage to pain?
show me what she did exactly?
I thought she dived in front of pain, pain skidded out the way then shinra tensied her to the floor and stabbed many vital areas of her body so she required immediate medical attention.
Yes she fought neji, but she lost, so it means nothing, just because she FOUGHT the strongest genin doesnt mean shes strong, it means she fought him, and she didnt land a single hit on him either.
I hate both of them, hinatas entire character i hate overall, sakuras mouthy and incredibly annoying the way she blabbers on about sasuke and doesnt really care for much else, they both piss me off, but sakura has been an subordinate of many great ninja and kakashi himself stated she may become a better female ninja than tsunade, doesnt mean she is yet, but it means shes strong, kakashi did have to actually put up a real defence during the start of shippuuden on the 2nd belll training, and that was ages ago.
Yes, they both helped each other, but still the credits goes 80% to chiyo.They both helped each other, i think youll find that sakura was the one to save them against the 3rd kazekages iron sand when she was hitting them all over the place because all of chiyos puppets were used, chiyo did give sakura a definite edge, but to say it was chiyo entirely is just nonsense.
Like i said sakuras a chuunin, and personally right now she'd find it difficult becoming a jounin, but she did take out an akatsuki, replace her with hinata and i dont believe the outcome would have been such a good one.
Actually, you failed to prove me anything. I already know what sakura can do, but to say she's stronger or faster you MUST compare this strength (I was not thinking in physical strength, but if you're, then sorry) and their speed. However, since both sakura and hinata's attacks are devastating if one of them manages to hit the opponent, this is a battle about counter-attacks. Now to know who's better is something we still need to confirm to say something.Yes i do have proof.
2nd bell training, kakashi had to dodge sakuras punch and did it just in time-and kakashi is definitely faster than hinata,
Sakura can cause miniature earthquakes, and punch tonne weighted iron into a cliffside and collapse it.
Yeah...sakuras stronger than hinata, unless youre suggesting hinata has bettered sakura and is being secretly taught by tsunade?
I need to thank you for this one, now I saw the dialogue correctly as before I was confident that speech was coming from sasuke and not zetsu.It was said by zetsu, and even if i was wrong, who cares?
It doesnt change a fact just because a different character said it, the point is kishi writes the manga and a character stated something which gave us insight into ninja techniques and how they work in narutoverse.
The point is, and has been made in the manga, that just because you have an eye technique doesnt mean you win, it was stated clearly BY ZETSU
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Having nearly 360 vision and being able to USE that near 360 vision is something completely different.
Put it this way, in american highschools coaches sometimes scout non football players who look built for football, big, athletic, speedy etc etc.
They get them on the field, and they have the body of a footballer, however-they suck, and get kicked off or benched.
The same rule applies here, she has byakagun and as thus would make her very hard to defeat, but she sucks at using it, she gets owned by the most basic of filler enemies, she got owned by subordinates-really easily, even with byakagun, she was at an advantage and she STILL got owned.
Ok forgot about the movies if you wish. Actually I didn't said she lost, I said she did nothing at all. At gaara vs naruto, she ended up being held on that hand made of sand... orochimaru at the bridge, she ended up showing herself just to be knocked off by kyuubi's chakra and nearly falling to death from that bridge... against sasori, she was hit by sasori's sword at a vital spot and needed chiyo's jutsu to be healed... that and a lot of other situations.The movies arent REAL, im interested ONLY IN THE MANGA, this is the TRUE story the way kishi has written it, if you wish to discuss other canon made up rubbish please do so in the ANIME section.
Yes sakura lost against a 1 tailed jinchuriki, orochimaru a sannin, and an akatsuki (who she won against so why this is even in your list?)
TBH its not really that shameful to lose against them, also which part are you speaking of? orochimaru during chuunin exams or the bridge?
because technically sakura wasnt beaten by oro then, she was beaten by 4tails naruto.
this i wish to emphasise greatly
Again you're stating something I never said. If you don't know, the last anime I've watched was chapter 12 at shippuden stage, from this point I don't have an idea of what's going on. I've said about 32 palms because someone else said but I think the techniques that neji and hinata knows must be different.Hinata does not have gentle fist, kishi has not done any manga showing her to have it, stop deluding yourself as a hinata fan with filler jutsus to beef up her power.
Hinata has never displayed gentle fist trigrams (to stop chakra) so she cannot do it.
She MAY be able to do it, but if we are about to discuss the jutsus every ninja MAY have but kishi wont write about for wasting time then we'll be discussing this until the cows come home, and the cows are on mars.
aka, we wont end the discussion.
Going by manga standards and jutsu learned id say sakura, i still hate the bitch as i do hinata, but hinata has always been a weak character, everytime shes in it she gets owned, even in filler which isnt even kishis work, because canon always extrapolate from the manga, so they make hinata a weak character because she is in the manga.
Thanks for the advice dude.justmyself...it makes no sence arguing with twisted link.he thinks that he is very smart(I dont say he is not)and never changes his mind even if you provide undisputable fact or argument.
I have had several dialogs with him on random subjects.you can just quote his post ony once and tell him what you think and that's all you can do
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well...if she hasnt been shown with it it means she doesnt have it.Actually, saying yes or no is either pure fabrication, as you believe she doesn't have because the manga wasn't show it. The same when I said somewhere that konohamaru knows rasengan and I've received the same reply.
Please, tell me where exactly I said she did some damage to pain?
You said she went against deva pains and then said even sage naruto couldnt do much against him, so yes, i can interpret what you said.and deva pain (c'mon, even sage naruto couldn't do that much against him).
Yes, she was more powerful than naruto, but this is hinata vs sakura, so who cares what naruto could do against neji as genin?She fought the strongest genin, and if I recall not even naruto did anything to him before he used kyuubi's chakra. What I say is that if she got another opponent, the result could be different, but I'm not someone that rely on "what if" sentences.
Clearly confirmed you hate her character as a whole, a contradiction of what you said before. Then I confirm you're trying to defend the character you dislike less. Kakashi needing to put up a real defense because of her alone is just your point of view, for me that was because he was fighting both naruto and her.
well you clearly are considering youre saying and have been sayingbut I'm not someone that rely on "what if" sentences
fully agree, some ninjas can be powerful but suck against certain opponents, this is why naruto had trouble against neji as a genin, because narutos only experience was close combat fighting.Yes, they both helped each other, but still the credits goes 80% to chiyo.
Like I said before, I'm not someone that rely on "what if" situations, but if you want to know, it's very probably that against this opponent hinata wouldn't be that much help, as sasori doesn't have chakra nodes and hinata's attacks would be useless against him.
Hinatas attacks are devastating however if she hasnt got 32-64 palms sakura can simply heal herself.Actually, you failed to prove me anything. I already know what sakura can do, but to say she's stronger or faster you MUST compare this strength (I was not thinking in physical strength, but if you're, then sorry) and their speed. However, since both sakura and hinata's attacks are devastating if one of them manages to hit the opponent, this is a battle about counter-attacks. Now to know who's better is something we still need to confirm to say something.
never read the databook, no,i dont mind not using filler, i was just making a point and using the same methods you were using (filler) even non filler, take manga, she sucks lol.I need to thank you for this one, now I saw the dialogue correctly as before I was confident that speech was coming from sasuke and not zetsu.
Next point, having and knowing 360 vision, perhaps you never read the databook? Before you say something, it's official and it's from kishimoto. Here he say she's actually aware of her abilities and even not possessing a battle potential at neji's level, her byakugan is nearly the same level as his.
I'm not american, so I don't know what you're talking about exactly, but I got it. And you're saying she suck at using it? Why for your point of view you can use filler and I can't? LOLZ.
Yes sakura sucked then, we all know this, however since training under tsunade she has become MUCH more powerful.Ok forgot about the movies if you wish. Actually I didn't said she lost, I said she did nothing at all. At gaara vs naruto, she ended up being held on that hand made of sand... orochimaru at the bridge, she ended up showing herself just to be knocked off by kyuubi's chakra and nearly falling to death from that bridge... against sasori, she was hit by sasori's sword at a vital spot and needed chiyo's jutsu to be healed... that and a lot of other situations.
That's a pretty big assumption right there. The only reason we have seen Sakura's few fights is because she is in Naruto's team and plays a larger role in the whole manga than does Hinata. Hinata is out on missions with her group learning and experiences battles as well. What we have seen from each is an often scared and easily-surprised-by-the-obvious Sakura vs a strong-willed Hinata with new techniques.Dont get me wrong i dont think sakura would own hinata completely in seconds, theyd both get beat, but personally sakura has way more experience.
Its called fear paralysis what sakura had when she stood still by the bridgeThat's a pretty big assumption right there. The only reason we have seen Sakura's few fights is because she is in Naruto's team and plays a larger role in the whole manga than does Hinata. Hinata is out on missions with her group learning and experiences battles as well. What we have seen from each is an often scared and easily-surprised-by-the-obvious Sakura vs a strong-willed Hinata with new techniques.
His point about the 4-tails was merely to illustrate that she was surprised and owned by something a retard could have seen from a mile away as being dangerous, "Oh wow he's possessed by the demon, let me run over and hug him!" yeah that's a smart ninja right there. At least when Hinata got owned she did so with the intent to show Naruto her matuation and love for him. Her act said something, and though it was kind of stupid of her to sacrifice herself like that, she had a pretty significant message behind it.
Hinata's techinque against Pain looked far more advanced than anything Sakura has or probably can do, and as said before it's a tactical advantage to have Byakugan, whereas medical ninjutsu offer nothing in the way of offense and nothing in the way of defense if her chakra points are hit.
So true. x)Hinata would. She has amazing skills, bloodline limit and rock solid principles. As for sakura who can only punch Naruto when she's pissed. hehe
hinata would win hands down.. sakura wont be able to land a punch>hinata's flexibity and did we all forget her absoloute defence?? sakura's little punches wont be able to touch her lolBoth clearly love and should be with Naruto,
Hinata expressed her feelings for Naruto and has always respected/been fond of him for his personality and strength in the toughest times.
Sakura asks like a bitch, but clearly has feelings for Naruto hidden beneath her layer of idiotic physical/mental abuse that she time after time happilly exacts upon him. Whether it is because she is scared to express herself to him, or just waiting for the Sasuke ordeal to pass, there is something there between the two.
Some information for NarutoWikia regarding their abilities.
HINATA
Byakugan
As a member of the Hyuga clan, Hinata possesses the Byakugan, which gives her a near 360? field of vision, albeit a blind spot around the back of her neck. She can focus her sight to drastically increase her range in one direction, far outstripping Neji's visual range while doing so. In Part II she is able to see a fire 10km a way, while Neji's known maximum is 800m. During the hunt for the Bikochu, she was able to effectively see every small insect in the area. Later during her fight against Guren in her crystal labyrinth, Hinata's Byakugan was used against her as their were many reflections, yet she was able to focus her Byakugan on her target, Guren, perfectly.
Gentle Fist Taijutsu
Hinata using Protective Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four PalmsShe also specializes in the Gentle Fist fighting style, which allows her to damage her opponents' chakra circulatory systems and inner organs directly with even a slight tap. Despite all these abilities, her father at least initially believed her to be too weak to lead the clan. After her fight with Neji, Hinata took her quest to get stronger to new levels. She used training that consisted of manipulating water to sprout in an orb around her. This training manifested itself during the Bikochu filler arc where she showed her self-made technique Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms. With it Hinata emits streams of chakra from her palms to create extremely sharp blades, which she can use to hit any target in her field of vision. Due to the speed at which these blades move, the amount of control she has over them, her natural flexibility, and her ability to manipulate their size, Hinata can use this technique to attack and defend simultaneously.
During the Three-Tails arrival filler arc, Hinata faces Guren's clone. Hinata reveals her new technique after due to her training during the timeskip. This technique is the minor version of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms called Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms. Hinata has also put her natural flexibility into a great performance. While battling Nurari, Hinata was capable of dodging almost all attacks, even if Nurari has a elastic body. She also demonstrates great accuracy with her attacks. When fighting Pain, she was able to force him back and was about to use a new attack, called the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists, before being defeated.
SAKURA
At the start of the series, Sakura's only defining characteristic is her intelligence, largely due to her interest in memorizing things and the taking of quizzes while in the Academy. Because of this, Sakura has shown to have very keen talent for observation and analyzing. Through this, she can easily see through most deceptions and misdirections an opponent may use on her.
However, as she has focus so much on her book studies, it had greatly affected her physical performance. While in the academy, she excelled in basic practice of Ninjutsu and kunoichi training, her prowess on the actual field of combat was much weaker. Her stamina and fighting skills were below average. However, as the series continue Sakura’s abilities grows as she becomes the apprentice to Tsunade.
[edit] Chakra Control
Soon after the start of her first mission, however, Sakura discovers that she has an excellent control over her chakra, and as such she has an innate ability to use jutsu to their maximum efficiency without wasting any chakra. While this particular ability is never put to great use in Part I. In the fight against Ino during the Chunin preliminaries, she was able to create two clones, which confused Ino, send chakra to her feet for bursts of speed, and attack Ino at pin-point timing.
Her chakra control becomes a focal point of Sakura's fighting style in Part II, as it helps her control chakra to her fists to reduce things to rubble by a simple punch.
[edit] Substitution and Clone Timing
Sakura is a well-accomplished user of the substitution technique, and her timing for it is quite advanced. During the fight against the three Sound Genin during the Forest of Death arc, she managed to pull over two substitution techniques, and timily attacks Zaku with a kunai. Her substitution technique seems to be the only technique, along with the Clone Technique, she was able to perform during the whole Chunin Exam arc. In the Fight against Ino Sakura was able to create two clones to confuse Ino and attacking her at perfect timing. Later, in the fight against Kabuto, she uses a perfectly timed substitution technique to run at Kabuto with a bunch of kunai, which wasn't that effective.
[edit] Medical Techniques and Strategical Analysis
Sakura's natural control of her chakra has been taken to new heights over the time skip, an ability utilized to its fullest by the training she has done with Tsunade. With her excellent chakra control, Sakura has turned into an excellent combat Medical-nin, and has shown herself to be able to heal fatal injuries with relatively little effort even when more experienced medics would deem it a lost cause. She has also shown to be able to heal herself even though she was poisoned and bleeding. In her training to become a Medic-nin, Sakura has also acquired the ability to pick up on an enemy's movements in a short period of time as a good field medic needs to be able to survive a battle and avoid injury if he or she is to fulfill his or her purpose and heal other members of his or her team. This ability allows her to predict what attack an opponent will use seconds before an attack and then dodge it quickly and easily.
[edit] Taijutsu and Genjutsu
In close combat, Sakura's Taijutsu skills has gained tremendous growth thanks to Tsunade's constant battle drills to better protect herself should she find it impossible to avoid battle. To further aid her in that situation, she can rely on the super strength taught to her by Tsunade. By building up and releasing her chakra with precise timing, Sakura can easily decimate any obstacle and turn it to rubble. An opponent struck by her full strength can suffer from anything ranging from instant death, broken bones, ruptured organs, or any other wound associated with intense blunt force trauma, depending on how much chakra Sakura puts into the kick or punch. Over time and through repeated use, Sakura has become able to use this strength instinctively and does not need to put any effort into using it. She has also shown to become more agile which was shown when she had to fight Sasori with his 100 puppets along with Chiyo. This mixed with ability to learn enemies attack patterns make her hard to hit. Furthermore, her strength, coupled with her medical expertise, and the more beauty she gains over the time skip has caused many to see Sakura as another Tsunade (Jiraiya himself notes this while Naruto thinks that Sakura has gotten even more violent than before). Many believe that she will surpass Tsunade as a female ninja because she has all of the previously mentioned abilities and, unlike Tsunade, she is a natural Genjutsu user and has the potential to master many high level techniques. However she has yet to be seen employing Genjutsu. So far, all she has shown, is the ability to dispel high level Genjutsu.
[edit] Inner Sakura and Cha-Combo
Throughout the video games, "Inner Sakura" becomes a technique due to Sakura's lack of jutsu. Even in the anime, it shows Sakura gaining monstrous strength while her inner-self appears, exclaiming "Cha!" or "Hell Yeah!", which also creates the "Cha-Combo", which is a combo attack of Sakura attacking the enemy or enemies multiple times. Furthermore, Sakura is given combo attacks like "Fairy Tale Destruction" with Naruto, in which Naruto does something rude, and Sakura tries to punch him and misses, attacking the enemy instead. In most video games, Sakura is given techniques that are not shown in the anime or in the manga. Ino is the only other person who has encountered Inner Sakura due to her mind transfer jutsu. Ino was amazed and says that Sakura has two spirits. This may be taken literally or it may just be a multiple personality which enables Sakura to better resist mind transfer jutsu.
I personally like Hinata more and think she is the stronger of the two. She would win if they were to fight 1v1 due to her ability to close Sakuras chakra points and therefore decrease her punching power, which she is notorious for, and restrict her ability to heal/cast genjutsu. Hinata has shown more maturity and bravery than Sakura also, which is why I not only think she'd win, but I would also want her to beat the snot out of Sakura. She has all the intangibles in her favor imho.
Sakura is just so damn easy to hateShe comes off as more defencsive than anything to me because of her medical training. Her genjutsu is untrained and most likely low level and she really has 1 easy to avoid threat in her punch.
Anyway what does everyone think? If it were a battle to the death over Naruto who do you see winning?
or :sakura:???
exactly.hinata would win hands down.. sakura wont be able to land a punch>hinata's flexibity and did we all forget her absoloute defence?? sakura's little punches wont be able to touch her lol
Id like to know how you came up with such misinformed "facts"?Actually, none of Sakura's techniques will work against Hinata.
1. Punching - need to get close, Jyuuken users are near undefeatable at close range
2. Genjutsu - does not work on Byakugan
3. Medical - with chakra flow cut off, no chance to do medical.....
sigh...hinata would win hands down.. sakura wont be able to land a punch>hinata's flexibity and did we all forget her absoloute defence?? sakura's little punches wont be able to touch her lol
Now we came to a conclusion, but for me I consider she has more experience and not a way more, but perhaps it's just me due to the consideration of what tsunade said when the two teams went out to find sasuke after his fight against itachi. There is said both teams had a lot of experience doing missions togheter and things like that.Dont get me wrong i dont think sakura would own hinata completely in seconds, theyd both get beat, but personally sakura has way more experience.
The main problem i have now i reconsider is maybe hinata can beat sakura, i think theyre very close to each other in terms of skill that if you could give them 10 battles, and each battle you wiped there memories about the previous one.Now we came to a conclusion, but for me I consider she has more experience and not a way more, but perhaps it's just me due to the consideration of what tsunade said when the two teams went out to find sasuke after his fight against itachi. There is said both teams had a lot of experience doing missions togheter and things like that.
So, the conclusion is: "Due to a bit of extra experience on battlefield, sakura have chances of 60-65% of owning hinata. However, it's certain that this battle won't be one-sided."
Do you agree with me?
Honestly, I tough the same when asuma died, so I came to the conclusion that after someone become a chuunin, it's not more imperative that they have their teacher around them as it was when they're mere genins. I mean, asuma wasn't replaced, so shika's team is teacher-less now. The same with shino's team...The main problem i have now i reconsider is maybe hinata can beat sakura, i think theyre very close to each other in terms of skill that if you could give them 10 battles, and each battle you wiped there memories about the previous one.
I reckon hinata and sakura would both have wins and losses.
I think a big element of luck, being in the right place at the right time, and instinctive movement would play a major role, but i do think sakura has an edge-personally.
True tsunade said that, which actually is weird because isnt there teacher pregnant?
whos the new teacher of that group??