Hijab

[-immortal-]

How does it in any way shape or form look beautifull

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[Defence]

Why would you even cover your naturally given properties. Sure you cover your genitals, and you would cover your arms and legs for protecting yourself from the environment. Why would you though cover the portions of your body that are completely unnecessary, like your head, face, and hair? Most Islamic women do that because
1. Society's laws have them do so
2. Their husband or family wants them to do so
3. Religion sees Women as an inferior species than men, so they have women cover themselves up


elaborate

Or 4# 99% do it by choice?

Don't have many muslim friends do you? Typical lazy generalisation.

Why do western women cover less than men? Are they objectified or forced? Or matter of choice?

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

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Nice try but in pre-Christian Europe, women WILLINGLY chose to cover their heads. Mainly a way to protect the hair from lice, but I also see it as a sign of purity and chastity.
Only unmarried women had their head uncovered, to attract men.

Better than exposing your body and being a hoe like Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj etc.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Just clothing....
Someone's hubby in America would put them on the scene if
she were wearing too little and probably wouldn't take it too lightly.

Only problem I see with the Hajib is if it isn't optional, if that's the case
it isn't necessarily oppression, but everyone has a different preference for
how much they reveal themselves and in the case that they like revealing
themselves- it's oppression.

Though the only difference I really see with Hijabs and "normal clothing"
is standards, and compared to what I know(USA) Islam(I don't really see the target) is restrictive of
females when it comes to clothing- assuming that "90%" covered thing is true.

 

[Avani]

It is haraam to imitate the mushrikeen and kuffaar in their manner of dress, so it is not permissible to wear clothing that is unique to the kuffaar.
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It is haraam for women to imitate men and men to imitate women in the way they dress, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the men who imitate women and the women who imitate men.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5546.....

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Also, a man may treat women as objects regardless them wearing hijab. But a man can respect women in general, whether they wear the hijab or not. It's rather subjective. Now of course from a religious pov, just because some men are disrespectful, it doesn't exempt women from their own religious responsibility to cover the required parts.

I suggest Mr Bakame that you do not jump in to reply my posts especially when they are not addressed to you. And no do not bother linking me any site for more info either. For you are not going to like my replies. Especially when you make quotes like above " haram to dress like Kuffar"... I will let you know, whatever the intent, it doesn't translate as a nice or respectful gesture towards non-Muslims. That word comes with a lot of negative connotation towards them and matching sentiments don't help, since respect is often two way street.

It is haraam to wear garments of fame and vanity, which means a garment that stands out from others so that people will look at the wearer and he will become known for it.

Burqua does stand out in non Islamic countries you know- Not that I have any problem or objection to it personally as long as I am not asked to follow it. I don't mind it at all...Still some may wish to use because of personal cultural conditioning and some may resent it despite wearing it because of the same conditioning otherwise. Would you like some Ismat Chughtai for you:

"On the way to her brother’s wedding, she manages to “lose” the cap of her burqa. Showered with blows when the others suspect her of having lost it intentionally, Ismat writes that she accepted the blows “as though they were sweet laddoos.”

I don't think men get beaten up or looked down for wearing trousers and jeans like other non Muslims or for not covering their head. And that's why it's called oppression for women by some others.

Boy, you do have a knack for rushing to post stuff which boomerangs at you.

Of course, sadly, I've seen women wearing the hijab in public but posting selfies without it online. Sometimes girls just wear it out of fashion and post selfies with it...

Also, a man may treat women as objects regardless them wearing hijab. But a man can respect women in general, whether they wear the hijab or not. It's rather subjective. Now of course from a religious pov, just because some men are disrespectful, it doesn't exempt women from their own religious responsibility to cover the required parts.

Yeah I really no see why you would chose to post all that stuff addressed to me.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I think they look better without it. I've seen some nice ones but I'd much rather see the female form and hair, etc. Than the religious clothing.

I also don't care about why it or other garments are worn religiously. I mean Allah created all things right? But apparently looking at them is too much for the male species. I don't think it helps with any kind of control, taking the option away to be sexually attracted to the female form isn't overcoming desire.

IMO.

 

[Yubel]

There are respectable women with hijab and thots who wear hijab, the latter defeats the purpose of wearing it.

 

[Babadook]

I suggest Mr Bakame that you do not jump in to reply my posts especially when they are not addressed to you. And no do not bother linking me any site for more info either. For you are not going to like my replies. Especially when you make quotes like above " haram to dress like Kuffar"... I will let you know, whatever the intent, it doesn't translate as a nice or respectful gesture towards non-Muslims. That word comes with a lot of negative connotation towards them and matching sentiments don't help, since respect is often two way street.

Let me answer with your reply from that one-year-old thread you quoted a while ago.

'If you don't want to be bothered, don't post.'

This is general discussion, on a public forum. You as a mod should know what the site you're moderating, is about.

If you don't want me to reply to your post, ban me, or if you just don't wanna see my replies, put me on ignore list.

I don't really care who makes the post. Whether the reasoning is flawed, or the facts mentioned are mistaken, that's an objective question.

If you don't like my replies, you shouldn't answer either. I don't really care if you like or not that muslims should dress differently. However, again, you just cherrypicked one thing you don't like, and trying to use it as if it was something by which you can dismiss my whole point- which was supposed to be a refutal to the allegiation that women are objectified by the islamic dress code. That can't be true, as men have a dress code too. It doesn't matter if you like that dresscode or not.

If you don't want me to reply, don't make claims about my religion. How is that?

And please. I always brought you arguments. Even now.

So tell me, what's wrong with that muslims shouldn't follow the immodest clothing of non-muslims?

 

[Avani]

Let me answer with your reply from that one-year-old thread you quoted a while ago.

'If you don't want to be bothered, don't post.'

This is general discussion, on a public forum. You as a mod should know what the site you're moderating, is about.

If you don't want me to reply to your post, ban me, or if you just don't wanna see my replies, put me on ignore list.

I don't really care who makes the post. Whether the reasoning is flawed, or the facts mentioned are mistaken, that's an objective question.

If you don't like my replies, you shouldn't answer either. I don't really care if you like or not that muslims should dress differently. However, again, you just cherrypicked one thing you don't like, and trying to use it as if it was something by which you can dismiss my whole point- which was supposed to be a refutal to the allegiation that women are objectified by the islamic dress code. That can't be true, as men have a dress code too. It doesn't matter if you like that dresscode or not.

If you don't want me to reply, don't make claims about my religion. How is that?

And please. I always brought you arguments. Even now.

Of sure reply away -it's your funeral. But then don't cry later because you always come with " you are a mod,how could you do this " argument and that's your card always when you hit a wall in terms of argument and of course with your passive aggressive flaming and insults.

So tell me, what's wrong with that muslims shouldn't follow the immodest clothing of non-muslims?

And why should I? It's not me who is trying to dictate anyone's clothing. I clearly said it's not my problem how they dress. It's you who is putting down others and their dress sense.

And I already pointed out all the problematic areas in your post in my last one, which you conveniently ignored and tried to focus on yourself.

So get a mirror and think what's wrong with this picture. If you do not understand it first time around then try again.

 

[Babadook]

Of sure reply away -it's your funeral. But then don't cry later because you always come with " you are a mod,how could you do this " argument and that's your card always when you hit a wall in terms of argument.

Not really. It was you again who started making ad hominem arguments without explaining why muslims differring in regards of clothing, is a bad thing.

And why should I? It's not me who is trying to dictate anyone's clothing.

Then why do you care that muslism choose to dress differently?

Anyway, again, by that reasoning, we could just all go around being naked. After all, noone should 'dictate' that we must wear clothes, right?

It's you who is putting down others. So get a mirror and think what's wrong with this picture. If you do not understand it first time around then try again.

Oh. So you can say that the hijab is a form of oppression, but I can't say that the way some women dress in the West, is immodest?

Take your own advice and get a mirror too.

 

[Avani]

Not really. It was you again who started making ad hominem arguments without explaining why muslims differring in regards of clothing, is a bad thing.

Nope, I didn't say that anywhere. At this point you are making outright a false statement. Direct quote and a link to such a post made by me, please.

You have a serious reading comprehension issue or you think you can get away with intentional misunderstanding of the post and twisting it anyway you like.

Then why do you care that muslism choose to dress differently?

I don't. You are being extremely ignorant and pulling stuff out of thin air.

Anyway, again, by that reasoning, we could just all go around being naked. After all, noone should 'dictate' that we must wear clothes, right?

I don't mind at all if you want to go around naked. I wouldn't even blink. You are being silly to assume my response. ^^

Oh. So you can say that the hijab is a form of oppression, but I can't say that the way some women dress in the West, is immodest?

I didn't say it's necessarily a form of oppression but that of social conditioning too. Of course you wouldn't know the difference. You are too self indulgent to notice the difference. But I can quote Muslim intellectual view regarding it. Some do find it hindrance to be forced to wear it, some may actually like it. But when people are shooting at a teen girl's leg for wearing jeans and not wearing a burqua, denying it being used as a tool for oppression too, is just living in a bubble.

Make your own advice and get a mirror too.

Lame. I have plenty. I even carry one in my purse. You take care of yourself.

 

[Lord Tywin]

When people that doesnt know very deeply about Islam tried to argue about Islam(Kratos).

I dont know very deeply about other religious(Christian, Buddha, Shinto etc) and I keep away from arguing about it very deeply like I know everything about it.

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This is too extreme in covering your body. In islam(for woman) you must cover your body except face, hands and foot. You can wear any clothes as long as it still cover 90% of your body except those parts and the clothes need to be a little loose to hide the curvature of your body.

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The arabian women in the picture take it too extreme level

I was born in an Islamic country, although not a very strict one. But true I never bothered to learn about things ever since I could understand what people can do through the name of religion.

 

[BLAZE]

I was born in an Islamic country, although not a very strict one. But true I never bothered to learn about things ever since I could understand what people can do through the name of religion.

Aren't u a murican :|

 

[Lord Tywin]

It is allowed to take a look at the girl you're gonna marry.


From al-Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah: “I proposed marriage to a woman, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Have you seen her?’ I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘Look at her, because it is more fitting that love and compatibility be established between you.’” According to another report: “So he did that, and he married her and mentioned that they got along.” (Reported by al-Daaraqutni, 3/252 (31, 32); Ibn Maajah, 1/574)

Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “If he wants to marry a woman, he is not allowed to see her without a headcover. He may look at her face and hands when she is covered, with or without her permission. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent…’ [al-Noor 24:31]. He said: ‘The face and hands.’” (al-Haawi al-Kabeer, 9/34).

Imaam al-Nawawi said in Rawdat al-Taalibeen wa ‘Umdat al-Mufteen (7, 19-20): “When (a man) wants to marry (a woman), it is preferable (mustahabb) for him to look at her so that he will have no regrets.

Abu Haneefah permitted looking at the feet as well as the face and hands. (Bidaayah al-Mujtahid wa Nihayyat al-Muqtasid, 3/10)

From the above, it is clear that the majority of scholars say that a man is allowed to look at his fiancée’s face and hands, because the face indicates beauty or ugliness, and the hands indicate the slimness or plumpness (literally, ‘fertility’) of the body.

Abu’l-Faraj al-Maqdisi said: “There is no dispute among the scholars that he is permitted to look at the face.. the focus of beauty and the place at which one looks.”

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No gamble there.

However:

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust [i.e., may you prosper].”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4802; Muslim, 1466).



First you complain why people have to cover their bodies, then you give examples answering your own question.

You think it's unnecessary, but it does serve its societal purpose.

Because you met all of them and they told you, right?


Apparently it didn't occur to you that maybe God expects them to do so and they believe in that.



You should elaborate on your 3rd point...



Yeah she comes from a christian family, and?


No.

By that logic, all of us wearing clothes are objects...

Especially that men in islam also have a dress code, which people often forget. Surah An-Nur, verse 30:v

"Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do."

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More rulings for men here:

The basic principle concerning everything that is worn is that it is halaal and permissible, except for that concerning which there is a text to state that it is haraam, such as silk for males, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “These two [gold and silk] are forbidden for the males of my ummah and permissible for the females.” Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 3640; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah. Similarly it is not permissible to wear the skin of a dead animal (one that has died of natural causes) unless it has been tanned. With regard to wearing clothes made of wool, goat hair and camel hair, these are pure and permissible.

It is not permissible to wear thin or see-through clothing that does not conceal the ‘awrah.

It is haraam to imitate the mushrikeen and kuffaar in their manner of dress, so it is not permissible to wear clothing that is unique to the kuffaar.

It is haraam for women to imitate men and men to imitate women in the way they dress, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the men who imitate women and the women who imitate men.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5546.

It is haraam for the Muslim man to let any garment he wears hang down beneath his ankles (an action known as isbaal); the limit for any garment is the ankles.

It is haraam to wear garments of fame and vanity, which means a garment that stands out from others so that people will look at the wearer and he will become known for it.

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Apparently, men are oppressed objects too, for they can't wear whatever they want, either.

Of course I agree with some other points.

A hijab in itself doesn't necessarily imply piety, but in general it's a good indicator of being religious. Of course, sadly, I've seen women wearing the hijab in public but posting selfies without it online. Sometimes girls just wear it out of fashion and post selfies with it...

Also, a man may treat women as objects regardless them wearing hijab. But a man can respect women in general, whether they wear the hijab or not. It's rather subjective. Now of course from a religious pov, just because some men are disrespectful, it doesn't exempt women from their own religious responsibility to cover the required parts.

God expects them to do so? What kind of God would tell people to cover their natural look?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Aren't u a murican :|

No but I live in Merika

 

[Avani]

God expects them to do so? What kind of God would tell people to cover their natural look?

The same one which made snow. Cover up or you die.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The same one which made snow. Cover up or you die.

Inb4 another wall of text

 

[Conspirator.]

God expects them to do so? What kind of God would tell people to cover their natural look?

What do you expect? It's God. He obviously has a God complex and demands us to do what he thinks he's right, coz he's infallible. :bdpf:

 

[Ansatsuken]

I was born in an Islamic country, although not a very strict one. But true I never bothered to learn about things ever since I could understand what people can do through the name of religion.

What country you born in?

Seeing people still not enough/couldnt tells you the true teaching of Islam/Quran. Because human have flaw, hypocrisy, desire, etc even inside Muslim people, I agree. Not all Muslim people are perfect or followed Islamic teaching right. Unless you meet with right muslim and not a muslim in name or birth but act/living like non-muslim. Or extremist.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What do you expect? It's God. He obviously has a God complex and demands us to do what he thinks he's right, coz he's infallible. :bdpf:

They say God is beyond human understanding, but he has shown human traits we can easily understand. He acts in a human way. Even if there is a God, he's not the egotistical, arrogant, and ruthless deity these religions show him to be.