Healthy Nagato vs EMS Madara

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OMG, this is hilarious. The fact that most of you think a EMS can defeat someone with the Rinnegan is ridiculous.

1. Preta path absorbs perfect susanoo.lol

2. Chibaku tensei crushed madara

3. Soul Dragon kills Madara

These are all evident. EMS madara can not defeat nagato. This is like saying 3 tomoe sasuke can defeat and health itachi.lmao
 

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OMG, this is hilarious. The fact that most of you think a EMS can defeat someone with the Rinnegan is ridiculous.

1. Preta path absorbs perfect susanoo.lol

2. Chibaku tensei crushed madara

3. Soul Dragon kills Madara

These are all evident. EMS madara can not defeat nagato. This is like saying 3 tomoe sasuke can defeat and health itachi.lmao

This is so easy to counter its not even funny.I'll let someone else counter you since i've had enough of this topic.
 

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Obviously not. If it was EASY to counter you would have done it in no time.lol

You guys are funny.
Why should i repeat what people have said in this same thread? Chibaku Tensei has already been countered as well as the fact that Pretra path won't even have the chance to suck up Susanoo.KidGamer went on about how Gedo Mazo cannot be controlled by Nagato due to the lack of dna and what not.

People like you are funny, i'm not wasting my time repeating everything
 

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Why should i repeat what people have said in this same thread? Chibaku Tensei has already been countered as well as the fact that Pretra path won't even have the chance to suck up Susanoo.KidGamer went on about how Gedo Mazo cannot be controlled by Nagato due to the lack of dna and what not.

People like you are funny, i'm not wasting my time repeating everything


You have no evidence to support whatever theory you have as to why preta path wont absorb perfect susanoo. It is chakra and nagato has already show the ability to absorb naruto's chakra arm. You dont know if nagato can extend or widen the scope or range of him preta path in order to absorb a bigger chakra construct more quickly.




Gedo mazu cant be controlled by NAGATO????? LMAO

This is why i cant take you all seriously. Naruto has already demonstrated the ability to use and or control the gedo mazu.lol

What is madara's counter to the soul dragon??? He doesnt have one!!

1. Nagato using gedo mazu's powers

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2. Nagato controlling the gedo mazu's powers to extract tailed beast.

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IDK where this new FALSE information is coming fro that nagato cant use the gedo mazu, but it is far from the truth.
 
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You have no evidence to support whatever theory you have as to why preta path wont absorb perfect susanoo. It is chakra and nagato has already show the ability to absorb naruto's chakra arm. You dont know if nagato can extend or widen the scope or range of him preta path in order to absorb a bigger chakra construct more quickly.




Gedo mazu cant be controlled by NAGATO????? LMAO

This is why i cant take you all seriously. Naruto has already demonstrated the ability to use and or control the gedo mazu.lol

What is madara's counter to the soul dragon??? He doesnt have one!!

1. Nagato using gedo mazu's powers

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2. Nagato controlling the gedo mazu's powers to extract tailed beast.

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IDK where this new FALSE information is coming fro that nagato cant use the gedo mazu, but it is far from the truth.

Thanks for wasting your time typing this, i wasn't even the one saying this.I'm only going by what i skimmed through after logging back in a few hours ago.​
 

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You have no evidence to support whatever theory you have as to why preta path wont absorb perfect susanoo. It is chakra and nagato has already show the ability to absorb naruto's chakra arm. You dont know if nagato can extend or widen the scope or range of him preta path in order to absorb a bigger chakra construct more quickly.




Gedo mazu cant be controlled by NAGATO????? LMAO

This is why i cant take you all seriously. Naruto has already demonstrated the ability to use and or control the gedo mazu.lol

What is madara's counter to the soul dragon??? He doesnt have one!!

1. Nagato using gedo mazu's powers

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2. Nagato controlling the gedo mazu's powers to extract tailed beast.

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IDK where this new FALSE information is coming fro that nagato cant use the gedo mazu, but it is far from the truth.
Nagato can control it. He just can't control it properly nor can he use it like Obito did due to the lack of the Uchiha side of Rikudou Sennin's power. Thus its a non factor in this match up unless you think that he is going to waste chakra using Soul Dragon.

You seriously need to read the damn manga.

OMG, this is hilarious. The fact that most of you think a EMS can defeat someone with the Rinnegan is ridiculous.

1. Preta path absorbs perfect susanoo.lol

2. Chibaku tensei crushed madara

3. Soul Dragon kills Madara

These are all evident. EMS madara can not defeat nagato. This is like saying 3 tomoe sasuke can defeat and health itachi.lmao
1. Nagato will never get close due to Madara being able to kill him from a distance with Susanoo.

2. Kyuubi EASILY nukes CT.

3.Tanked by Susanoo, it doesn't pass through matter as it hit the ground and rocks flew everywhere. IT won't pass through Susanoo.

@bold: Take your garbage logic out of here.
 

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madara never said rinnegan alne wouldnt control gedo.
Why dont you stop ignoring the third sentence,even the first dsent say what you are saying.
He said that without senju and uchiha power you cant awaken the rinnegan,and then followed it up by saying you cant control gedo properly,it dosent say that rinnegan cant control it properly,it just says that the rinnegan cant awaken without the dna's,the third sentece contradicts you further,ir clearly says that EVEN without the rinnegan,you can still use the gedo with the DNAs,he never said it would be proper or not,so yes,nagato with a rinnegan can use gdo quite well,madara clearly showed that the rinnegan can control the gedo,but uchiha and senju dna can acr as a substitute,the third sentence clearly demacates the two,madara never said the rinnegan isnt enough at all. Whats your definition of not being able to control gedo?,cuz nagato has been using gedo freely,so using it to attack is easy. When he said that EVEN without the rinnegan tobi could still use the mazo,that proves that the rinnegan could perfectly control the mazo.
:sy: I feel like I'm talking to a child.

-Only Rinnegan can summon Gedo Mazo. Manga FACT.


-Rinnegan can't be awakened without Senju and Uchiha's power.


-Gedo can't be controlled properly without Senju and Uchiha's power.


-Obito can properly control the Gedo due to having Senju and Uchiha's power, but can't summon it due to lacking the Rinnegan.


"Without Senju and Uchiha's power you can't awaken the Rinnegan. Furthermore you can't control the Statue well"

What the hell do you think that sentence means? Furthermore is a continuation of his original statement. It has the same function as and here. Open your damn eyes and read the damn scan.

His sentence is in two parts.

-Without the powers you can't control the Mazo properly.
-Without the powers you can't awaken the Rinnegan.

Basic grammar is basic.

Its already a fact that without Senju and Uchiha's power you can't control the Mazo. Undisputable. Madara already stated it. Anymore you have to add on this point is pure garbage.

When you can show me scans of Nagato using the Mazo in battle then you can use it for this debate. Until then. Learn how to read. Re-read those manga scans and stop wasting my time.

He never said to say if the control was proper or not as his first statement already solidifies the fact that Senju and Uchiha power is needed to control the Mazo. Learn how to read. Madara saying that Senju and Uchiha power is needed to control the Mazo properly is FACT. Stop dismissing his first statement cause it foils your petty argument.


LOL what?,madara attacked hashi several times with his sword,once,hashi caught it with a wood arm,just before he tried to grab his susanoo,and the shockwaves did squat. The shockwaves have never hurt anyone at all.
Making shit up I see. There were no shockwaves there, re-read the manga.

The shockwaves did this.


Devastated a distant Mountain Range. You saying they won't hurt anybody just because you don't want them to isn't going to cut it.

Kirin is a mountain buster,though not a large one,c3 would easily blow aside a mountain,even jraiya's ultra big ball rasengan can apparently hollow out a mountain,rasenshuriken sliced through mountains in mount myoubouku IIRC,a mountain buster isnt all that great
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would destroy a mountain,shuusinsenju's attacks didnt knock madara or hashi down,despite creating VOTE,whats tour point?.
Kirin is not a Mountain Buster cause the Mountain was still intact.

Ultra Big Ball Rasengan is not a Mountain Buster.

FRS cut Mountains. That isn't a Mountain Buster.

TBB VAPORIZES MOUNTAINS. That's just the standard TBB from Bijuus 2-7. 100% Kyuubi's TBB is stronger and bigger than the ones used by Obito's Jins.


Kirin is nowhere near Bijuu Dama's level of destruction. Kirin is at most a hill buster as it destroyed the Uchiha hideout part of the Mountain but the whole Mountain wasn't reduced to rubble nor was it vaporized.

Vaporizing a Mountain far surpasses anything you mentioned up here. Including Destroying a village.


Nagato wanted to destroy the village,which he did,the others just got caught up, a tbb would never spread that far and cause that damage,reaching the ends of konoha,if that budha hit his arms spread out,he would never destroy konoha.
Again using large AoE attacks to justify strength. Mountains have far more durability and are much more dense than Villages which consist of buldings. I don't know if the bold is supposed to be an excuse for CST not killing people like Tsunade and Fodder Anbus despite them being unprotected, but it happened so oh well.


Knoha crater is bigger than VOTE;a focused CST packs more power than budha puches,you claim a mountain buster is above a city buster,yet somehow aomething that made VOTE oblitereated susanoo whereas the moutain buster did squat.
The bold is something you pulled out of your arse. A focused CST isn't doing squat to Susnaoo. Not when a spread out version failed to kill Fodder Anbu's and an unprotected Tsunade.

To destroy strong defenses you need powerful precision attacks. Not Wide AoE attacks. At the very most PS is only taking little damage which can be recovered from.

Absorbing susanoo is child's playthe shockwaves are sent back at madara,CT crushes madara,especially after nagato adds all the chakra he sucks from kyubi's tbb to it.
Wank Wank Wank.

Kyuubi's roar sends Nagato and on his ass if ever tries and gets close to Madara. If he blocks that with ST then the shockwave fodderizes him.

CT is nuked by Bijuu Dama or destroyed by PS Sword Slashes. Nagato isn't absorbing Bijuu Dama that are being dragged up by CT's gravitational pull on top of its normal speed.
 
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Nagato can control it. He just can't control it properly nor can he use it like Obito did due to the lack of the Uchiha side of Rikudou Sennin's power. Thus its a non factor in this match up unless you think that he is going to waste chakra using Soul Dragon.

You seriously need to read the damn manga.

Nagato can control it, BUT he cant control it properly? You admit that he can control it though? So how are you to say what he can and cant do with gedo mazu. Where is your evidence that clarifies that.

According to you "you need senju and Uchiha DNA to PROPERLY CONTROL the gedo mazu", yet nagato has both according to manga. He is a uzumaki which is same lineage as senju and he has the eye's of madara uchiha with is DNA from a uchiha. SO that must mean he can properly control the gedo mazu.


1. Nagato will never get close due to Madara being able to kill him from a distance with Susanoo.

2. Kyuubi EASILY nukes CT.

3.Tanked by Susanoo, it doesn't pass through matter as it hit the ground and rocks flew everywhere. IT won't pass through Susanoo.

@bold: Take your garbage logic out of here.
1. Nagato deva paths madara toward him and then preta's the susanoo around him. The susanoo will be too close the effectively make any kind of slash. Or better yet nagato can just get behind susanoo with a diversion and preta path from behind. Its not a impossible feat. And ultimately the chakra absorbed by susanoo will only give nagato a major power-up.

2. A CT could simply be a diversion in order to chain the beast and absorb it thru the gedo mazu.

3. It doesnt have to pass thru. The statement made by a shinobi was "dont let it TOUCH you". Which shows that a simple touch could have negative effects on the opponents life. You have no idea what effect a simple touch of that dragon will have on susanoo.

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And you arnt entirely correct about the dragon not being able to pass thru solid objects. I think you only formed a bias opinion that it cant pass thru solid objects because you dont want it to get thru susanoo.

If the soul dragon was not able to move thru solid objects then how was it able to glide thru one shinobi after another to collect their souls?? AHHHHHHHHH

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Passing thru humans is passing thru solid objects.
 
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Manga factually speaking:

Rinnegan > EMS




Logically speaking:

Nagato can fly, giving him the ability to dodge Perfect Susano'o.


Nagato can also use Shinra Tensei to completely obliterate mountains at a time, so Perfect Susano'o is matched.


Nagato could possibly have a lower interval time/no interval time and that will be the end of Madara.





I don't see EMS Madara stepping up to the man who was called God.
Thread fail seeing as how Madara gave his rinnegan to Nagato, Madara >>> Nagato

Madara and Hashirama are true Gods
 

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Nagato can control it, BUT he cant control it properly? You admit that he can control it though? So how are you to say what he can and cant do with gedo mazu. Where is your evidence that clarifies that.

According to you "you need senju and Uchiha DNA to PROPERLY CONTROL the gedo mazu", yet nagato has both according to manga. He is a uzumaki which is same lineage as senju and he has the eye's of madara uchiha with is DNA from a uchiha. SO that must mean he can properly control the gedo mazu.
-Sigh- Rinnegan eyes=/=Uchiha's power. Sharingan eyes=Uchiha's power. Nagato doesn't have access to Madara's Sharingan nor dues he have the strong Spiritual Chakra of the Sage.

Rinnegan is the result of possessing both Senju and Uchiha powers. Rinnegan doesn't contain the power of Senju or Uchiha otherwise Rinnegan and Senju/Uchiha powers wouldn't be needed to properly control AND summon the Mazo.

Doesn't matter if they were Madara's eyes. Madara stating that you need Rinnegan and Senju.Uchiha powers to control AND summon the Mazo shows that one part of the equation doesn't get the same results as the other.

Tell me. Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement.

Nagato can't control it properly. If you think he can do something with it that hasn't been shown you better have the scans to back it up.




1. Nagato deva paths madara toward him and then preta's the susanoo around him. The susanoo will be too close the effectively make any kind of slash. Or better yet nagato can just get behind susanoo with a diversion and preta path from behind. Its not a impossible feat. And ultimately the chakra absorbed by susanoo will only give nagato a major power-up.
1. Kyuubi's roar sends Nagato flying backward like a rag doll.

2. A CT could simply be a diversion in order to chain the beast and absorb it thru the gedo mazu.
Scans of Nagato being able to do this with the Mazo?

3. It doesnt have to pass thru. The statement made by a shinobi was "dont let it TOUCH you". Which shows that a simple touch could have negative effects on the opponents live. You have no idea what effect a simple touch of that dragon will have on susanoo.
It obviously phases through Human Bodies, but not through other solid objects.


And you arnt entirely correct about the dragon not being able to pass thru solid objects. I think you only formed a bias opinion that it cant pass thru solid objects because you dont want it to get thru susanoo.

If the soul dragon was not able to move thru solid objects then how was it able to glide thru one shinobi after another to collect their souls?? AHHHHHHHHH

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The Soul Dragon clearly threw rocks up upon hitting the ground. It isn't phasing through Susanoo.
 

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Tell me. Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement.

Nagato can't control it properly. If you think he can do something with it that hasn't been shown you better have the scans to back it up.
Bro, I dont think you are fully reading the manga. The manga already says that nagato can control the gedo mazu with the same capabilities that madara could when he unlocked the rinnegan, so every point you make after this that nagato cant control the gedo mazu just like obito and madara is JUST FALSE INFORMATION!!!

Here is you proof from madara's will itself. Read the bottom panel from zetsu



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Not only does he have senju DNA but also has madara's eyes which is the Uchiha DNA he needed.





1. Kyuubi's roar sends Nagato flying backward like a rag doll.



2. It obviously phases through Human Bodies, but not through other solid objects.






The Soul Dragon clearly threw rocks up upon hitting the ground. It isn't phasing through Susanoo.
1. Actually the kyuubi's roar wouldnt send nagato flying. His deva path allows him to keep himself grounded.


2. Passing thru Human Bodies ISS the same thing as passing thru solid objects man. The reason that you saw rocks flying when the dragon missed hanzo is probally because nagato solidified the energy of the dragon to crush hanzo. As the soul dragon is described as a construct of ENERGY. Much like naruto's cloak or susanoo. But what we already know is that it is low dense energy that CAN pass thru solid constructs. Ex. Human Bodies.
 
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Bro, I dont think you are fully reading the manga. The manga already says that nagato can control the gedo mazu with the same capabilities that madara could when he unlocked the rinnegan, so every point you make after this that nagato cant control the gedo mazu just like obito and madara is JUST FALSE INFORMATION!!!

Here is you proof from madara's will itself. Read the bottom panel from zetsu


No it didn't. It said he can summon the Gedo Mazo not that he can control it perfectly. Who's not reading the manga properly? I think its you.




1. Actually the kyuubi's roar wouldnt send nagato flying. His deva path allows him to keep himself grounded.
No it doesn't. Its either he deflects it with ST or he get thrown back. If he deflects it Susnaoo Sword's shoclwave cuts him in half.

2. Passing thru Human Bodies ISS the same thing as passing thru solid objects man. The reason that you saw rocks flying when the dragon missed hanzo is probally because nagato solidified the energy of the dragon to crush hanzo. As the soul dragon is described as a construct of ENERGY. Much like naruto's cloak or susanoo. But what we already know is that it is low dense energy that CAN pass thru solid constructs. Ex. Human Bodies.
Baseless assumption. Nagato wouldn't need to do anything as the dragon would kill Hanzo on contact, regardless of Nagato doing anything or not.

The dragon caused physical damage to the ground so it can't get past Susanoo. Simple as that.
 

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No it didn't. It said he can summon the Gedo Mazo not that he can control it perfectly. Who's not reading the manga properly? I think its you.

Read this page with me. It says "OTHER THAN MADARA, THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN USE DEMONIC STATUE IS HIM"

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It doesnt say the only one who can summon gedo mazu is Nagato and Madara. It says the only one who can USE (the ability or power to manipulate something). So you cant keep saying that nagato cant use all of gedo's powers becuase it is said in the manga page I gave to you.





The dragon caused physical damage to the ground so it can't get past Susanoo. Simple as that.
The dragon passes thru physical bodies, which shows it can pass throught solid matter. You cant argue with this fact. Whether it moves rocks or not still doesnt take away from the fact that soul dragon has demonstrated the ability to pass thru solid matter.
 

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Manga factually speaking:

Rinnegan > EMS
WRONG.

Rinnegan = Sharingan Abilities + Mangekyō Abilities + Rinnegan Abilities

EXCEPT

Nagato can't access the Sharingan and Mangekyō abilities, because he's not a true Rinnegan inheritor like Madara.

OTHERWISE

He could have controlled a wild Kurama like a pet instead of trying and failing with Chibaku Tensei.
 

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Read this page with me. It says "OTHER THAN MADARA, THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN USE DEMONIC STATUE IS HIM"

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It doesnt say the only one who can summon gedo mazu is Nagato and Madara. It says the only one who can USE (the ability or power to manipulate something). So you cant keep saying that nagato cant use all of gedo's powers becuase it is said in the manga page I gave to you.
This site seriously needs a reading test to be completed prior to someone joining. Learn. How. To. Read.

-Did I ever say Nagato can't use it?
Nope.
-Did the manga say he can't use it?
Nope.

Manga said that he can use it. That doesn't mean he can use it as well as Madara can. Again, learn how to read.

Show me the manga scan that says the bolded.





The dragon passes thru physical bodies, which shows it can pass throught solid matter. You cant argue with this fact. Whether it moves rocks or not still doesnt take away from the fact that soul dragon has demonstrated the ability to pass thru solid matter.
It can pass through solid matter yet it caused physical damage to the ground?

Keep on telling yourself that. Soul Dragon is tanked by Susanoo.
 

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This site seriously needs a reading test to be completed prior to someone joining. Learn. How. To. Read.

-Did I ever say Nagato can't use it?
Nope.
-Did the manga say he can't use it?
Nope.

Manga said that he can use it. That doesn't mean he can use it as well as Madara can. Again, learn how to read.

So now your biased comes out. Now that you've finally come to terms that nagato can indeed use Gedo Mazu, without any evidence you say that he cant use it as well as madara. Show me your proof of this, because from what the manga SHOWS us nagato and obito are the only 2 people to USE the gedo mazu in battle. Madara (to our knowledge) never did. So to say nagato cant use it as well as madara or obito is now strictly your own biased opinion becuase I have already showed you proof that nagato can use it and how manga (zetsu) says that nagato can use it just as well as the 2 Uchiha.


Show me the manga scan that says the bolded
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Already did. Its at the bottom of the page i posted.




It can pass through solid matter yet it caused physical damage to the ground?

Keep on telling yourself that. Soul Dragon is tanked by Susanoo.

Bro you are failing man. To pass thru a body is to pass through solid matter. Just becuase it touches the ground doesnt disprove that it cant pass thru susanoo. Kishi is telling a story and the pictures show us the intensity or nature of the situation, which is why he is such a amazing author.

For instance, sasuke's kirin moves at the speed of light. But when sasuke used it on his brother, itachi was able to activate his susanoo fast enought to block it. Does this mean itachi can move at the speed of light?? No it doesnt. It was just how kishi decided to tell the story.
 

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So now your biased comes out. Now that you've finally come to terms that nagato can indeed use Gedo Mazu, without any evidence you say that he cant use it as well as madara. Show me your proof of this, because from what the manga SHOWS us nagato and obito are the only 2 people to USE the gedo mazu in battle. Madara (to our knowledge) never did. So to say nagato cant use it as well as madara or obito is now strictly your own biased opinion becuase I have already showed you proof that nagato can use it and how manga (zetsu) says that nagato can use it just as well as the 2 Uchiha.
What a fucking dumbass. This is why this site needs a damn reading test. To keep illiterate morons like you out.

Already told you. Nagato doesn't have the Uchiha's power so he can't control Gedo Mazo properly. You only showed me proof he can use it. Not that he can use it as well as Obito and Madara can due to them both having Senju and Uchiha's power.

To say Nagato can use it in battle like Obito did is you and every other Nagatard's biased opinon despite manga clearly saying he can't control it well, and despite the fact that manga has never even shown him using it in battle.

Scans, or proof he can control the Mazo properly or kindly leave and stop wasting my time with your fail posts.



Already did. Its at the bottom of the page i posted.
Nope. That scan clearly reads:

"Nagato is of the Senju bloodline. Other than Madara he's the only one who can use the Demonic Statue"

I asked for a scan that said Nagato can use all its powers or he can control it properly. Due to your inability to read you have failed to provide me a scan that matches my description.



Bro you are failing man. To pass thru a body is to pass through solid matter. Just becuase it touches the ground doesnt disprove that it cant pass thru susanoo. Kishi is telling a story and the pictures show us the intensity or nature of the situation, which is why he is such a amazing author.

For instance, sasuke's kirin moves at the speed of light. But when sasuke used it on his brother, itachi was able to activate his susanoo fast enought to block it. Does this mean itachi can move at the speed of light?? No it doesnt. It was just how kishi decided to tell the story.
It caused physical damage to the ground so it doesn't phase through objects thus Susanoo tanks it End of story.

Can you stop bringing your made up BS to this discussion? It caused physical damage to the ground so it can't phase through everything.

Also your example holds no relevance to the topic at hand..all this would be settled if you just read the manga.
 
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