Healthy Nagato vs EMS Madara

[Optimistic]

Is it that hard for people to understand that Nagato is below Madara?​

 

[MickNerks]

What a fucking dumbass. This is why this site needs a damn reading test. To keep illiterate morons like you out.

Already told you. Nagato doesn't have the Uchiha's power so he can't control Gedo Mazo properly. You only showed me proof he can use it. Not that he can use it as well as Obito and Madara can due to them both having Senju and Uchiha's power.

To say Nagato can use it in battle like Obito did is you and every other Nagatard's biased opinon despite manga clearly saying he can't control it well, and despite the fact that manga has never even shown him using it in battle.

Scans, or proof he can control the Mazo properly or kindly leave and stop wasting my time with your fail posts.

Seriously bro, I havent thrown insults at your or belittled your intellegence. We are suppose to be having a civil debate yet you resort to name calling like a child. This is why the base is losing the respect that it once had. Grow Up man, this is a manga there no need for the insulting and name calling, that is for children.

Now to respond to your post. Nagato also has the DNA of both Senju and Uchiha. He has the Uzumaki Bloodline which is connected to senju and he also has the EYES of Madara Uchiha, which gives him Uchiha DNA. Ultimately by having both the body and eyes of the sage, nagato (who has Senju and Uchiha DNA) not only has been able to master the rinnegan, but also use gedo mazu. This is also stated in the manga. Nagato wouldnt have been able to activate the rinnegan if it had not been for the Uchiha eye's (DNA) in his eye socket.


Remember what obito said about the sages children. One had the body of the sage (Senju/Uzumaki), whilst the other obtained his eye's (Uchiha/Hyuuga). Well after Madara gave his eyes to Nagato he possesed both the sages body and eyes which not only allowed him to use the rinnegan but also control the Gedo Mazu.


Here is a clear manga scan of nagato using the gedo mazu in battle. There are also other scans that show nagato using it outside of battle. Let me know if you wish to see those as well.

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Nope. That scan clearly reads:

"Nagato is of the Senju bloodline. Other than Madara he's the only one who can use the Demonic Statue"

I asked for a scan that said Nagato can use all its powers or he can control it properly. Due to your inability to read you have failed to provide me a scan that matches my description.

I already showed you a scan where zetsu clearly stated that Madara and Nagato were the only 2 people at the time that could use the gedo mazu. You take it upon yourself to decide that is not enough proof to justify it. There is no other scan I can show you. There is just the common sense of knowing that since nagato has both senju and uchiha dna that he can use it just as well as obito.

What is your reasoning as to why you believe that Nagato cant use the gedo mazu as well as obito?


And please when you respond, I would appreciate it if you could act like an adult having a mature conversation and not a child who is angry becuase someone doesnt agree with him.

 

[Midday]

I wanted to add this for the whole Nagato controlling Gedo Mazo. Madara said here that you need both Uchiha and Senju powers to control it well,

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. Konan said here that Senju and Uchiha powers are the power of the six paths,

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. That should be more than enough evidence that Nagato has met the requirement of controlling the mazo.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

without Kyuubi EMS Madara loses
Nagato is horribly underrated

For once I agree with you.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Is it that hard for people to understand that Nagato is below Madara?​

Is it that hard to accept that PS is useless against Nagato? 90% of Madara's attacks could be absorbed by Preta path (it's the ultimate cheat ability).

 

[Optimistic]

Is it that hard to accept that PS is useless against Nagato? 90% of Madara's attacks could be absorbed by Preta path (it's the ultimate cheat ability).

Not gonna waste my time again explaining how a

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of Madara's sword would kill that fly Nagato.You honestly think Nagato can suddenly tank that? I can't wait for your amazing reply.*sarcasm*​

 

[KidGamer65]

Seriously bro, I havent thrown insults at your or belittled your intellegence. We are suppose to be having a civil debate yet you resort to name calling like a child. This is why the base is losing the respect that it once had. Grow Up man, this is a manga there no need for the insulting and name calling, that is for children.

I'm tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again simply because you can't read a damn page.

Now to respond to your post. Nagato also has the DNA of both Senju and Uchiha. He has the Uzumaki Bloodline which is connected to senju and he also has the EYES of Madara Uchiha, which gives him Uchiha DNA. Ultimately by having both the body and eyes of the sage, nagato (who has Senju and Uchiha DNA) not only has been able to master the rinnegan, but also use gedo mazu. This is also stated in the manga. Nagato wouldnt have been able to activate the rinnegan if it had not been for the Uchiha eye's (DNA) in his eye socket.

:sy: Already replied to the bold, not gonna repeat myself.

But I guess I'll humor your foolishness once more. Here you go, a previous post in our discussion that you blatantly ignored.

-Sigh- Rinnegan eyes=/=Uchiha's power. Sharingan eyes=Uchiha's power. Nagato doesn't have access to Madara's Sharingan nor dues he have the strong Spiritual Chakra of the Sage.

Rinnegan is the result of possessing both Senju and Uchiha powers. Rinnegan doesn't contain the power of Senju or Uchiha otherwise Rinnegan and Senju/Uchiha powers wouldn't be needed to properly control AND summon the Mazo.

Doesn't matter if they were Madara's eyes. Madara stating that you need Rinnegan and Senju.Uchiha powers to control AND summon the Mazo shows that one part of the equation doesn't get the same results as the other.

Tell me. Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement.

Nagato can't control it properly. If you think he can do something with it that hasn't been shown you better have the scans to back it up.

I already showed you a scan where zetsu clearly stated that Madara and Nagato were the only 2 people at the time that could use the gedo mazu. You take it upon yourself to decide that is not enough proof to justify it. There is no other scan I can show you. There is just the common sense of knowing that since nagato has both senju and uchiha dna that he can use it just as well as obito.

Read above. He doesn't have the Uchiha's power which is one of the requirements. Without the power he can't control it as well as Obito can.

Actually read before reply next time. Cause I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with a guy who can't read a manga scan properly.

I wanted to add this for the whole Nagato controlling Gedo Mazo. Madara said here that you need both Uchiha and Senju powers to control it well,

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. Konan said here that Senju and Uchiha powers are the power of the six paths,

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. That should be more than enough evidence that Nagato has met the requirement of controlling the mazo.

I like how you blatantly ignored Obito's explanation on the next page just because it clarifies he isn't talking about the Six Paths Jutsu, which regardless comes back to the question of why Madara said you need the powers and eye to control and summon the Mazo.

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Six Paths Jutsu is not mentioned anywhere in this page or in his explanation. You're wrong.

 

[genii96]

Not gonna waste my time again explaining how a

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of Madara's sword would kill that fly Nagato.You honestly think Nagato can suddenly tank that? I can't wait for your amazing reply.*sarcasm*​

shinra tensei deflects that right back at madara,the shockwave didnt even kill the kages anyway.

Gravity>shockwave.

 

[adeshina365]

shinra tensei deflects that right back at madara,the shockwave didnt even kill the kages anyway.

Gravity>shockwave.

Dude, shockwaves don't have mass.

 

[TheTailedSage]

The only time we have seen nagato in a healthy state or close to healthy is ET nagatoM that would be unfair since he had unlimited chakra so its not fair to make a fair deduction between ET healthy nagao and human healthy nagato. Technically, we haven't seen healthy human nagato fight in his strongest, apart from the time where fought hanzos men, but even then the fight wasn't long. Judging from that fight alone though EMS wins mid-high

 

[Sennin of Logic]

shinra tensei deflects that right back at madara,the shockwave didnt even kill the kages anyway.

Gravity>shockwave.

Technically deva path isn't gravity. But yeah, No ranged attack, no matter how powerful, has overpowered deva path. You have to have good grounding for that.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Not gonna waste my time again explaining how a

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of Madara's sword would kill that fly Nagato.You honestly think Nagato can suddenly tank that? I can't wait for your amazing reply.*sarcasm*​

We don't know if that's from chakra or something else. Until it's proven that it's not chakra, I'm gonna assume that it can be absorbed. But, the shockwave didn't kill the kage, so it wouldn't kill Nagato. Deva path overpowers it. Ranged jutsu is useless against deva path. Only grounded attacks work on it. Nagato could also use universal pull to drag Madara out of the perfect susanoo. That would make things difficult for him.

 

[KidGamer65]

We don't know if that's from chakra or something else. Until it's proven that it's not chakra, I'm gonna assume that it can be absorbed. But, the shockwave didn't kill the kage, so it wouldn't kill Nagato. Deva path overpowers it. Ranged jutsu is useless against deva path. Only grounded attacks work on it. Nagato could also use universal pull to drag Madara out of the perfect susanoo. That would make things difficult for him.

Its from the swing of his blade. This is basic physics, A shockwave isn't made out of chakra. The sword is made out of chakra though so it can't be absorbed despite what you believe. Do you even know what a shockwave is?

Are you really going to adopt Genii's extremely flawed logic? That shockwave clearly wasn't aimed right at them as it went and cut the Mountain tops instead, not to mention he was showing off its power. The fact that it cut a Mountain proves it will one shot Nagato if he takes a direct hit. Unless you are saying Nagato has Mountain level durability.

You do know there is a 5 second limit in between uses of Shinra Tensei right? Madara has two swords. If one shockwave is parried, the second one kills him.

Wrong. BT can't pull anyone out of their Susanoo. Gaara needed to hold Susanoo down first to be able to pull Madara out with the sand that was already at his feet. Not to mention that was a whole different Susanoo.

 

[genii96]

-Only Rinnegan can summon Gedo Mazo. Manga FACT.

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-Rinnegan can't be awakened without Senju and Uchiha's power.

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-Gedo can't be controlled properly without Senju and Uchiha's power.

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-Obito can properly control the Gedo due to having Senju and Uchiha's power, but can't summon it due to lacking the Rinnegan.

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Making shit up I see. There were no shockwaves there, re-read the manga.

The shockwaves did this.

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Devastated a distant Mountain Range. You saying they won't hurt anybody just because you don't want them to isn't going to cut it.


Kirin is not a Mountain Buster cause the Mountain was still intact.

Ultra Big Ball Rasengan is not a Mountain Buster.

FRS cut Mountains. That isn't a Mountain Buster.

TBB VAPORIZES MOUNTAINS. That's just the standard TBB from Bijuus 2-7. 100% Kyuubi's TBB is stronger and bigger than the ones used by Obito's Jins.

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Kirin is nowhere near Bijuu Dama's level of destruction. Kirin is at most a hill buster as it destroyed the Uchiha hideout part of the Mountain but the whole Mountain wasn't reduced to rubble nor was it vaporized.

Vaporizing a Mountain far surpasses anything you mentioned up here. Including

:sy:look whose talking,how abt you read the damn manga urself.

Uchiha senju power is the power of the six paths,fact

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izanagi also requires uchiha senju power,fact

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danzo's eyes contain uchiha power and dna,as tobi said danzo possesed both the power of uchiha and senju.

Nagato is an uzumaki,which means he has senju blood as well.

Nagato made phantom dragons everytime they sealed a bijuu himself,without any stress. You say he cant control gedo properly,he has controlled gedo just as skillfully as anyne,the first time he had to use chakra receivers cuz gedo had no bijuu inside it,and thus he used his own chakra. Every other time,he has used those same dragons easily without stress.

You put all your faith in one sentence,which is laughable. In that same page,he said that even without the rinnegan,you could use gedo with senju and uchijha dna,he didnt say summon,nor control,of rinnegan could only summon gedo and not control it properly,he would have said that in his third sentence which you seem to ignore. How do you know what nagato cant do with gedo?,he made phantom dragons easily,sometimes while he was in astral form and the real body was still in amegukere,thats enough to prove he can control it,and it's a hell of a lot more proof than a damn sentence which apperntly you seem to interprete better than anyone.
You say i should show you scabns of nagato using gedo in a fight?,jow about you show me a ps shockwave killing anyone,thn i'll beleve it can kill nagato LOL.

How about you use PS slashes of ems nly madara with pure uchha dna,rather than a madara who has hashi's cells which boosted his attacks,the shockwave is a side effect of the sword slash,they are not made seperately,if ems madara's ps slash cudnt make shockwaves strong enough to even knock hashi off his feet twice whereas do madata's knockd 5 kages off their feet when they were caught in the shockwave,then their powerlevel is different,which is true as madara claimed he tweaked madara beyond his prime.

There are no shockwaves that knocked hashi down here either

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so stay with ems madara,not edo madara.

Kyubi's bijudama,did this

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compared to this

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also the golem hit the susanoo at close range,yet it didnt even knock hashi off balance,nor even cause much damage to the area they were fighting.

A focused CST is a prcision attack,not a wide AOE,hence the name focused.

Phantom dragons,which nagato can make easily from gedo absorb chakra,once they hit ps,all that chakra is gone.

Chakra roar?did nothing when hashirama was at his face,kyubi working with naruto willingly is not the same as kyubi being mindelessly controlled by madara,see the difference between oro's part 1 hashi and current oro's hashi to comfirm,chakra roar is doing nothing to gedo mazo.

PS isnt cutting CT,it is in the sky,

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far above the mountains,far above the reach of the sword,unless madara sword can go 70 000 m. Only a bijuu dama would do.

Ems madara's susanoo's shockwaves pale in comparison to his edo shockwaves.

 

[genii96]

Dude, shockwaves don't have mass.

dosent matter,gravity affects everything,and ST deflects attacks regardless of mass,also light has no mass,but is affected.

Its from the swing of his blade. This is basic physics, A shockwave isn't made out of chakra. The sword is made out of chakra though so it can't be absorbed despite what you believe. Do you even know what a shockwave is?

Are you really going to adopt Genii's extremely flawed logic? That shockwave clearly wasn't aimed right at them as it went and cut the Mountain tops instead, not to mention he was showing off its power. The fact that it cut a Mountain proves it will one shot Nagato if he takes a direct hit. Unless you are saying Nagato has Mountain level durability.

You do know there is a 5 second limit in between uses of Shinra Tensei right? Madara has two swords. If one shockwave is parried, the second one kills him.

Wrong. BT can't pull anyone out of their Susanoo. Gaara needed to hold Susanoo down first to be able to pull Madara out with the sand that was already at his feet. Not to mention that was a whole different Susanoo.

the shockwave went through the ground and the kages were caught in it,

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you can clearly see the wave moving through the ground before hiting the mountain,ithe kages were right in the path of the wave,

hashirama was also caught in the shockwave

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nagato wont absorb the shockwave,he just deflects it with an st right back at madara,who would hit eith both nagato's shinra tensei and his own shockwave together. Nagato's ability is much stronger and faster than pain's,hence a much lower cool down time

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[AGoodBoy]

ITT People who don't know physics.

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MFW "Light and shockwaves have no mass."
MFW a shockwave is basically the pressurized movement of air, therefore has the mass of the air.
MFW photons of light have mass (though negligible); E = hf = hc/<lamda>; and E = eV, where eV = 0.5mv^2

MFW when a blackhole( gravity ) pulls everything.


I don't know what i previously wrote in this thread, but after thinking of it, nagato really does have this fight. EMS can't stand up to Rinnegan. Not when nagato can just use the gedo masu's soul dragon to suck out madara's soul

 

[Quiet]

Madara with mid-high difficulty.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Lmao at the people saying that PS is too much for Nagato. Do you even read the manga? preta path Absorbs PS

 

[Optimistic]

Lmao at the people saying that PS is too much for Nagato. Do you even read the manga? preta path Absorbs PS

A simple PS slash can kill Nagato, can Nagato absorb the

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Yeah i thought so.U_U

 

[AGoodBoy]

A simple PS slash can kill Nagato, can Nagato absorb the

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Yeah i thought so.U_U

He can deflect it

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Really, all he needs is an ST strong enough to protect him from the shock wave. He just redirects the blast around him and stays safe.