Healthy Nagato vs EMS Madara

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Its one of his summonings. Unless its said he doesn't have it then he has it.


No one is comparing Nagato to Pain.


The manga already said you need Senju/Uchiha Blood to properly control the Mazo. Nagato doesn't have both so he isn't getting Obito's Gedo control feats. Manga>Your opinions.



This proves nothing. Obito already stated his Outer Path binding is much stronger than Nagato's. The chakra chains come from the Rinnegan user, they aren't inside the chakra receivers. When you have scans or some kind of proof that he can use them then I'll listen.


When Nagato can stab those rods into Susanoo then this foolish point can be taken seriously.


Again, this load of garbage proves nothing. Being able to use Outer Path=/=Being able to use it as good as someone who has Senju/Uchiha DNA.


Never said that.



Never said this either. He can't make chakra chains and I'd like you to actually bring proof to the table.

summons vs kyubi?:

Or he can use TBB which you conveniently seemed to forget about when typing this.

Stop giving Obito's Gedo control feats to Nagato.



Chakra chains are generated from the receivers using the Rinnegan users chakra. Nagato's chakra recerivers never grew chains when they were touched, nor did they show chains when Naruto touched them after meeting Nagato yet you give this ability to him out of the blue? You make no sense.



Lacking Senju/Uchiha=Improper Gedo control. That's a manga fact. Deal with it.

Not gonna bother wasting my time debating with someone who makes up abilities during a debate.




Scan that says Nagato completely mastered the Rinnegan?

Who said he can't use every Rinnegan tech? Nobody did.
1) wrong,you need either,not both to use gedo
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you dont need both,
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madara has given out his eyes there,yet still uses gedo to feed him chakra,he has no rinnegan,and is using transplants.

"Only those who possess both Uchiha and Senju DNA, or the Rinnegan, are capable of summoning and controlling the Demonic Statue. When summoned, the statue bursts from the ground, emerging either partially or entirely, depending on the situation."

you need either,not both to use it.

2)it was said that his binding power was much stronger than pain's not nagato IIRC. Nagato's binding power as pain was much weaker due to the fact that each path only had a fraction of his chakra,and since he created the rods with all paths,he could only use a little chakra compared to himself,Nagato's own binding powers would be the combined binding of the 6 paths,which is much stronger than just one path. Also,he had to control dead lifeless bodies,which eans he controlled their every movement,as they were dead,unlike tobi's edos which were programmed to auto attack and could move like the other edos,qaaqaaa

3) kubi's attacks would just make the dog multiply more and more,distracting the bijuu long enough for a focused CST which would devastate madara. Tbb can be absorbed,healing nagato,or deflected right back at madara.

Just forget about the chains,since neither of us will agree on that. He dosent really need it,though i see no reason as to why a user of the outer path cant manifest chains.
 

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1) wrong,you need either,not both to use gedo
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you dont need both,
here again,
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madara has given out his eyes there,yet still uses gedo to feed him chakra,he has no rinnegan,and is using transplants.

"Only those who possess both Uchiha and Senju DNA, or the Rinnegan, are capable of summoning and controlling the Demonic Statue. When summoned, the statue bursts from the ground, emerging either partially or entirely, depending on the situation."

you need either,not both to use it.
You even have the manga scan in front of you and you still don't even know what you are talking about.

He says you must possess Senju/Uchiha DNA to open the Rinnegan. Furthermore you won't be able to control the Mazo properly. Did you read over this part or what? Furthermore obviously means the statement is an add on of the first statement. You need Senju/Uchiha DNA to open the Rinnegan and you need it to control the Rinnegan. That wiki quote means nothing as the manga disagrees.

Madara controlling the Mazo w/o Rinnegan doesn't help your case at all as he already stated Obito could control it w/o the Rinnegan as he has Senju/Uchiha cells.

2)it was said that his binding power was much stronger than pain's not nagato IIRC. Nagato's binding power as pain was much weaker due to the fact that each path only had a fraction of his chakra,and since he created the rods with all paths,he could only use a little chakra compared to himself,Nagato's own binding powers would be the combined binding of the 6 paths,which is much stronger than just one path. Also,he had to control dead lifeless bodies,which eans he controlled their every movement,as they were dead,unlike tobi's edos which were programmed to auto attack and could move like the other edos,qaaqaaa
Wrong. Completely Wrong.

Nagato had his Pain Rikudou and no Binding chains ever came from their chakra rods. Even after Pain was defeated and Nagato stabbed Naruto with a chakra rod nothing came out.

Obito had his Pain Rikudou and his chakra chains bound Naruto on contact. Nagato being by himself makes no difference to the binding strength as the binding is for the Pain Rikudou. Obito already stated his binding is much stronger than Pain Nagato's so this isn't up for debate. There was literally no difference between the situation Nagato and Obito were in. No difference at all.

Baseless assumption is baseless. The Six Paths of Pain jutsu lets him control them. They have no free will nor were they on auto attack. Obito was controlling their every move as that is the function of the jutsu. He isn't controlling them via Edo Tensei.

3) kubi's attacks would just make the dog multiply more and more,distracting the bijuu long enough for a focused CST which would devastate madara. Tbb can be absorbed,healing nagato,or deflected right back at madara.
The more the dog multiplies the smaller and weaker it gets. Madara can simply ignore them after enough hits as they won't even be near enough to faze Kyuubi let alone Kyuubi armored with Susanoo.

CST having a large area of effect isn't going to let it destroy something that easily tanked an attack, that vaporizes Mountains, with no damage at all. People survived that by simlpy having Katsuyu on wrapped around them and Tsunade survived without it.

Just forget about the chains,since neither of us will agree on that. He dosent really need it,though i see no reason as to why a user of the outer path cant manifest chains.
He can't manifest chains cause his binding isn't strong enough. Simple as that.
 

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Only those who possess both Uchiha and Senju DNA, or the Rinnegan, are capable of summoning and controlling the Demonic Statue.
You quoted a statement that doesn't exist. The Rinnegan will not open unless you possess Uchiha and Senju DNA, further, the Gedo Mazo cannot be controlled properly. This further refers to the need of those two DNA to control the statue well.
 

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IMO Nagato takes it
Mastering the rinnegan>> Mastering the S+MS+EMS
Madara literally counters everything Nagato can do with a simple summoning and PS.
Nagato's strongest move Chibaku tensei would get demolished by the

Feel free to post what ever nonsense you have about Nagato beating Madara.​
 

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PS is has not shown to be fast enough to catch Nagato between 2 ST
also Nagato is fast and can fly and have shared vision with his summons I dont see PS attacking him
and nagato's chakra>>>>Madara's
and madara's jutsu takes a lot of chakra so madara will run out of chakra first
 

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Madara literally counters everything Nagato can do with a simple summoning and PS.
Nagato's strongest move Chibaku tensei would get demolished by the

Feel free to post what ever nonsense you have about Nagato beating Madara.​
CT won't get demolished by these continues bijudama cause you have to attack the mass center at the same time and not like that, and one bijuudama can't do what bijuudama+FRS+Yasaka Magatama done
 

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PS is has not shown to be fast enough to catch Nagato between 2 ST
also Nagato is fast and can fly and have shared vision with his summons I dont see PS attacking him
This one scan shows that he can decapitate all the summons heads by doing And continues Bijudama would kill of the Cerberus and anything within range of that massive nuke attack.
and nagato's chakra>>>>Madara's
Madara has the largest chakra reserves of any Uchiha, i couldn't care less if Nagato had more chakra than Rikudo.The battle ends before Madara's chakra reaches zero.
and madara's jutsu takes a lot of chakra so madara will run out of chakra first
Madara can keep his Susanoo up for long ass time, the Kyuubi is literally a walking mass of infinite chakra so why would Madara waste his chakra doing any other jutsu besides his PS?

All your sorry of an excuse post said was 'Nagato has high chakra..' you have yet to refute how Nagato even rips the PS off the Nine Tails never mind fighting Madara 1 on 1.
 
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CT won't get demolished by these continues bijudama cause you have to attack the mass center at the same time and not like that, and one bijuudama can't do what bijuudama+FRS+Yasaka Magatama done
You idiot Bijudama is stronger than Naruto's,Bee's and Itachi's long ranged attacks look at what the Nine tails can do with only
Then look at what one did with Madara's swords
 

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You idiot Bijudama is stronger than Naruto's,Bee's and Itachi's long ranged attacks look at what the Nine tails can do with only
Then look at what one did with Madara's swords
You talk like a ****ing idiot fanboy and a ****
talk nicely and then i'll consider having a talk with you
I can counter all your arguments but you dont worth my time
 

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You say without Kyuubi as if its a given power, its like saying without Ma and Pa Jiraiya wouldn't beat *insert character*.
its Madara's power but if you want to play like that how about we take away Madara's summon and Nagato's summon.

Oh wait madara still wins.​
Lol if you take both their sommuns there is nothing Madara can do to break CT
 
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