[Discussion] Hashirama is getting on my nerves

[~Yubel~]

The reason you're getting annoyed is because you simply don't understand.

The Sage of the Six Paths had 2 sons.
The eldest son inherited the power of his eyes; his strong chakra and spiritual energy.
The youngest son inherited the power of his body; his strong willpower and physical energy.

As a descendent of the youngest son and leader of the Senju clan, Hashirama inherited power like that of his ancestor, a strong body and physical energy.

Just like how the descendents of the elder son, the Uchiha clan, inherited the power of his eyes (the Sharingan), the descendents of the younger son, the Senju clan, inherited the power of his body. That is the connection between these two rival clans.

That is the answer to all your questions. That's why a sample of Hashirama's DNA is able to do what it can. Because it contains the undiluted inheritance of the power of the younger son's strong body and physical energy.

Yamato was created using cells of Hashirama. He had similar abilities but was only a small fraction of it.

Thanks for the history lesson but it wasn´t needed as i read it in the manga and u didn´t answer my questions, it wasn´t a convincing answer.

 

[~Yubel~]

your getting on kishi's nerves lol jk who cares man its obvious why his so loved

I never asked why he is loved, i don´t know where u got it from and if it was obvious then i wouldn´t have done this thread, don´t post if u won´t write anything of substance.

 

[psukkar]

Thanks for the history lesson but it wasn´t needed as i read it in the manga and u didn´t answer my questions, it wasn´t a convincing answer.

u need to understand that there's nothing to suggest the 1st hokage isnt as powerful as everyone says.

Ur just annoyed we got to see glimpse of his powers but didt really do much since orochimaru did nothing really with either of the leaf kages. So you really like i said before theres nothing to get annoyed about. Theres alot of shinobi that are regarded as hax but we hasvent seen why. Madara is good example, are annoyed about him too we have seen nothing that makes him the best uchiha to exist yet we are assume thats the case often because thats what said abotu him.

third hokage was epic as said by many when he was in his prime yet we only saw him in old age.

so ill repeat again theres nothing to suggest the 1st hokage is any weaker than stated.
Also madara and hashirama would have to be shown as we need to know how he surved the fight etc..

Its all part of the story.

 

[Colour]

Yeah. He is kind of OP and we don't know a great deal about him yet he is responsible for so many things.

 

[~Yubel~]

u need to understand that there's nothing to suggest the 1st hokage isnt as powerful as everyone says.

so ill repeat again theres nothing to suggest the 1st hokage is any weaker than stated.

There is nothing to suggest to us readers that he is as strong as stated dammit!

 

[YIN YANG]

people won't talk about his accomplishments if he wasn't strong,hashirama built the hidden leaf village with his wood style witch isnot easy yamato even has a hard time to build a few houses.
hashirama fought a uchiha clans leader madara uchiha doesn't that tell you something.

 

[BondedByBlood]

Somehow....somehow I forgot who Hashirama is....although the name sounds familiar......

 

[psukkar]

There is nothing to suggest to us readers that he is as strong as stated dammit!

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ur abit weird dude, ofcourse there is, there's many chacarter accounts.

 

[Nidaimerocks]

There is nothing to suggest to us readers that he is as strong as stated dammit!

Listen, the problem with Hashirama is that we have not really seen all he has to offer. Most of what we know about him is through proxy (Tenzou, Madara and Zetsu). However, I think you underrate him because you believe that mokuton is the extent of his powers. The databook says that the reason shodai was the strongest man of his time was (1) mokuton and (2) bijuu manipulating powers. Once you take both into account, you quickly realize that shodai was a beast

Shodai Displayed Jutsu

1. Mokuton -- is the most versatile jutsu. Enough to make Tenzou a jounin
2. Kokuangyou no jutsu -- is an amazing genjutsu. Enough to make sandaime hokage a sitting duck
3. Moku Bunshin no jutsu -- These bunshin do not dissipate when hit, they can merge with the ground and other trees for surprise attacks. They can be converted into chakra receivers and placed on the enemy for tracking

With simply his displayed powers, Hashirama can defeat most named jounins. His genjutsu is pretty scary and his mokuton was so strong, compared to Tenzou's, that he could restrain the freaking kyuubi itself.

Shodai Implied Jutsu

1. Tajuu Kage Bunshin -- The first databook says that Hashirama restricted this jutsu to (1) kage class ninjas and (2) ninjas with lots of chakra. Since it is clear that he was a chakra beast and he was the only hokage at the time and he sealed this jutsu in his kinjutsu scroll, it goes without saying that he had this jutsu
2. Regeneration -- We have seen all his clones use some form of regeneration. Tenzou regenerated his wound against Sasuke. Madara regenerated his arm against Minato and Zetsu regenerated his neck after Raikage "killed" him. Plus, the clone that Madara cultivated also regenerates limbs

White Zetsu Power

The manga makes it clear that white Zetsu is an alter ego of the shodai hokage and that the jutsu he uses are mokuton. So, it stands to reason that shodai hokage could use some form of his jutsu. However, the difference between Zetsu and shodai is that shodai was A LOT MORE powerful than Zetsu. Again, this implies that shodai could steal chakra from his adversaries, perform some kind of traveling jutsu comparable to kagerou (Tenzou something close to kagerou by the way)

Bijuu Power

Madara said that shodai controlled several bijuu and we know from Danzou that he had perfect control over those bijuu. Now, the databook clearly says that shodai was without equal because of his mokuton and bijuu manipulation powers. While we don't know exactly how he manipulated bijuu, we do know that controlling ONE bijuu is enough to make one kage level (Yagura, Kirabi, Naruto, Gaara, etc.). However, shodai hokage did not control one bijuu but several bijuu. With this power, he was certainly a beast. Whether he used the bijuu intenally (like a jinchiruki) or externally (like Madara with the kyuubi), he was a beast regardless.


Put that all together and you have a shinobi who can use one of the strongest genjutsu in the manga, can regenerate from wounds, can use tajuu moku bunshin and these bunshin do not dissapear when you hit them, can steal your chakra and on top of that had an army of bijuu under his control. That is superior to 99% of ninjas we have seen so far

 

[~Yubel~]

people won't talk about his accomplishments if he wasn't strong,hashirama built the hidden leaf village with his wood style witch isnot easy yamato even has a hard time to build a few houses.
hashirama fought a uchiha clans leader madara uchiha doesn't that tell you something.

Don´t get me wrong, if u want to talk about his accomplishments then be my guest but all i hear in the manga is his cells and chakra, why is he so special in that area? Why don´t people take lets say Tobiramas cells oh and btw, that makes me wonder, how come Tobirama is almost never mentioned at all in the manga and is overshadowed by the other kages?

 

[~Yubel~]

Listen, the problem with Hashirama is that we have not really seen all he has to offer. Most of what we know about him is through proxy (Tenzou, Madara and Zetsu). However, I think you underrate him because you believe that mokuton is the extent of his powers. The databook says that the reason shodai was the strongest man of his time was (1) mokuton and (2) bijuu manipulating powers. Once you take both into account, you quickly realize that shodai was a beast

Shodai Displayed Jutsu

1. Mokuton -- is the most versatile jutsu. Enough to make Tenzou a jounin
2. Kokuangyou no jutsu -- is an amazing genjutsu. Enough to make sandaime hokage a sitting duck
3. Moku Bunshin no jutsu -- These bunshin do not dissipate when hit, they can merge with the ground and other trees for surprise attacks. They can be converted into chakra receivers and placed on the enemy for tracking

With simply his displayed powers, Hashirama can defeat most named jounins. His genjutsu is pretty scary and his mokuton was so strong, compared to Tenzou's, that he could restrain the freaking kyuubi itself.

Shodai Implied Jutsu

1. Tajuu Kage Bunshin -- The first databook says that Hashirama restricted this jutsu to (1) kage class ninjas and (2) ninjas with lots of chakra. Since it is clear that he was a chakra beast and he was the only hokage at the time and he sealed this jutsu in his kinjutsu scroll, it goes without saying that he had this jutsu
2. Regeneration -- We have seen all his clones use some form of regeneration. Tenzou regenerated his wound against Sasuke. Madara regenerated his arm against Minato and Zetsu regenerated his neck after Raikage "killed" him. Plus, the clone that Madara cultivated also regenerates limbs

White Zetsu Power

The manga makes it clear that white Zetsu is an alter ego of the shodai hokage and that the jutsu he uses are mokuton. So, it stands to reason that shodai hokage could use some form of his jutsu. However, the difference between Zetsu and shodai is that shodai was A LOT MORE powerful than Zetsu. Again, this implies that shodai could steal chakra from his adversaries, perform some kind of traveling jutsu comparable to kagerou (Tenzou something close to kagerou by the way)

Bijuu Power

Madara said that shodai controlled several bijuu and we know from Danzou that he had perfect control over those bijuu. Now, the databook clearly says that shodai was without equal because of his mokuton and bijuu manipulation powers. While we don't know exactly how he manipulated bijuu, we do know that controlling ONE bijuu is enough to make one kage level (Yagura, Kirabi, Naruto, Gaara, etc.). However, shodai hokage did not control one bijuu but several bijuu. With this power, he was certainly a beast. Whether he used the bijuu intenally (like a jinchiruki) or externally (like Madara with the kyuubi), he was a beast regardless.


Put that all together and you have a shinobi who can use one of the strongest genjutsu in the manga, can regenerate from wounds, can use tajuu moku bunshin and these bunshin do not dissapear when you hit them, can steal your chakra and on top of that had an army of bijuu under his control. That is superior to 99% of ninjas we have seen so far

I´m sure most jounin at Kakashis level and up can handle mokuton, as for the genjutsu, i agree, all u can´t see anything but sensor ninjas and genjutsu-masters like itachi can see through it, it would be cool if he could do pass through the ground like Zetsu when going somewhere. Jinchuriki control is impressive but if i judge the fact that he´s a kage then it´s pretty normal

 

[Nidaimerocks]

I´m sure most jounin at Kakashis level and up can handle mokuton, as for the genjutsu, i agree, all u can´t see anything but sensor ninjas and genjutsu-masters like itachi can see through it, it would be cool if he could do pass through the ground like Zetsu when going somewhere. Jinchuriki control is impressive but if i judge the fact that he´s a kage then it´s pretty normal

1. Kyuubi was restrained with mokuton, most jounins are not stronger than kyuubi
2. Sensor ninjas won't see through shodai's genjutsu. To cancel it, you need to hit shodai himself.
3. He did not just control jinchiruki, he controlled bijuu AND had SEVERAL bijuu under control!!!!! One bijuu has made Yagura, Gaara, Kirabi and Naruto kage level. Shodai did not control one, not two, not three but more bijuu. Can you imagine how much destruction he could cause

You seriously underestimate shodai. Look at how Zetsu, a WEAK copy of shodai is able to fight tens of thousands of shinobi. Shodai was stronger than Zetsu and had access to bijuu chakra, therefore he could make 100,000 clones if he wanted. The guy was a monster, we have just not seen his true power.

 

[~Yubel~]

Let us kill this thread as u people don´t get it

 

[BigTDogg220]

In almost every new chapter of naruto that comes out, there is someone talking about Hashirama nowadays, when i first saw Hashirama get resurrected by oro, i was like "lets see what he can do", then later i find that ther is a dude named Yamato that has Hashiramas abilities...and that he can surpress jinchurikis, he said that Hashirama could control bijuus, this is where i get annoyed, we see that it was oro that took his cells and implanted it in 60 babies bla bla bla, we then found out he defeated an uchiha in his time, i was cool with that, then we find out that this uchiha is the strongest uchiha to ever live and then we find that this man named danzo has ten sharingans and the only reason he has enough chakra for it is cuz of Hashirama......WTF!? You mean to tell me that if he had sharingan that he could use it without any problems? What makes Hashirama so strong? We know his techniques, mokuton isn´t that difficult to counter for most shinobi, how does he have this kind of chakra? Itachi said that it would take 10 years to activate Shisuis MS if not for Hashiramas chakra, u mean to tell me that u could do something that would take 10 years of work in an instant if u had HR´s chakra?
Tsunade says that Madara took the firsts cells to extend his life.


Let me shorten this, u can extend life, control 10 sharingan without tiring with Hashiramas cells, u can use his chakra to activate MS in an instant, that would take 10 years, u can use a neklace he had to contol jinchurikis. What is this series coming to? Why is Kishi making Hashirama responsible for everything, if he´s really that strong and have such a lifeforce then shouldn´t he be alive?

What do u think about this cuz i´m getting annoyed as hell.

It is a massive list of things the 1st Hokage is capable of, but it makes sense for the fact that he's the descendant of the Sage of 6 Paths chosen successor. I can see how all that could get on your nerves. I'm starting to feel the same way with the SO6P being responsible for everything.

 

[Dean-Winchester]

It is a massive list of things the 1st Hokage is capable of, but it makes sense for the fact that he's the descendant of the Sage of 6 Paths chosen successor. I can see how all that could get on your nerves. I'm starting to feel the same way with the SO6P being responsible for everything.

i say he died from using the 8th gate

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[Buraisu]

I believe he keeps getting reference simply because he represents and best embodies the values of the Hidden Leaf. As the first Hokage, he was already a very powerful ninja, even cited by Madara to be the most powerful of his time. His Kekkei Genkai nature transformation is unique, powerful, and nearly impossible to imitate (Yamato being the exception out of Orochimaru's experiments). Its not so much that Hashirama is being overestimated, but the fact that he left an incredible legacy that is relevent at nearly all points in the storyline.

 

[blazekev90]

That avatar of yours is getting on my nerves!! I've seen that shyt everywhere, get something more original.

 

[~Yubel~]

That avatar of yours is getting on my nerves!! I've seen that shyt everywhere, get something more original.

It´s not like you made your own avatar u dipshit and mine is much cooler then yours

 

[BigTDogg220]

i say he died from using the 8th gate

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Certainly possible

 

[PositiveEmotions]

It´s not like you made your own avatar u dipshit and mine is much cooler then yours

his signatures are better than your avatar