[Discussion] Hashirama is getting on my nerves

[~Yubel~]

i never thought you have nerves

well thats bcz he's the first hokage
i hate it too but he has to have a name and fame

First of all, u don´t even know me

Second, all the other kages have name and fame but no one mentions them as much as they do hashirama, sure he took down Madara and that´s an accomplishment but that´s not why he´s mentioned.

 

[~Yubel~]

Mokuton + fire= more fire.. How the hell did that chimp beat on Madara?

That´s what i want to know, it makes no sense

 

[Free Shooter]

Kishi Contineus to add feats to both the senju and the uchiha

 

[~Yubel~]

Its simply cuz Hashirama was a senju, a member of a clan known for their skills, talent, longevity, and epicness. Hashirama was the leader of that clan, making him the strongest of the one of the 2 strongest clans, he beat Madara, who was probably the toughest Uchiha at that time(probably still) making Hashirama THE strongest ninja of his time and arguably ever. When you get power hungry douches like madara, and Oro, etc. that want to be stronger or gain powah, you go the the strongest source, in this case, that source is hashirama.

His senju longevity and vitality amped up Danzos Koto Amaterthingy, kept Madara alive, allowed Madara to make a bunch of Zetsu's, and through Yamato, buff up those Zetsus into Hostile SteroiPlants.

Hashirama = The Ish and when your on top, EVERYONE wants a piece of you, unfortunately for Hashirama, the pieces they wanted were at a cellular level :/. Not to mention wood style is EFFING AWESOME

I get it but if he was so strong then i want to know his abilities, unlike prime Madara with his ems, i don´t know what Hashirama has and i doubt growing woods would beat Madara, when u see Madara, u sense the badassnes, something tells u that this guy was truly strong, i don´t get that from Hashirama, he seems like a random dude to me and he´s cells/chakra is supposed to be so powerful, if they´re so powerful that tobi+oro+danzou(3 top ninja) want it, if they crave his cells/chakra so much then he´s probably stronger then so6p. That´s what Kishi wants to tell us, he´s saying "Hashiramas cell/chakra is so powerful, imagine him as a whole?"

 

[~Yubel~]

I agree with you, it is very annoying that Hashirama now seems to have a connection to everything in the series. However, the worst part of it all is that Hashirama and his powers were a singular, freak occurrence in the ninja world. Ever since the sage's time, the first hokage is the only one we know of that was born the ability to use wood release. Its quite frustrating that a freak occurrence has so much importance to the ninja world.

Kishi want us to believe that some guy growing trees randomly can beat anybody:shrug:

 

[~Yubel~]

Kishi Contineus to add feats to both the senju and the uchiha

Then bring out the Senju clan, where are they now? he´s not even adding any feats to the clan as there was no senju with Hashiramas abilities.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Hasirama had a talent thats even more interesting than Mokuton. He could convert his chakra into a source of life, which complemented his Mokuton and compounded its effectiveness.

Mokuton + fire= more fire.. How the hell did that chimp beat on Madara?

That´s what i want to know, it makes no sense

Mokuton = Earth + Water which means he could use water as well.

Anyway, if Kishi doesn't show the battle at the Valley of the End before the manga ends, its gonna the biggest let down of the Manga.

 

[~Yubel~]

First, I'd like to commend you on writing a post that conveys your irritation in a way that retains a well written criticism. It's concise, logical, etc. without resorting to rants or other such barbarism. Cheers.

Regarding Hashirama, he's different than everyone, including every Senju. Tobirama and the other Senju for whatever reason don't have the Yang-release. I think this has to do with a generational effect of Madara/Hashirama being near reincarnations of the sons of the Sage of 6 Paths. Recall, both sons are incomplete versions of the So6P's as his power was split between them and has never been reunited since with the power of the eyes going to the elder son and the power of the body going to the younger. Thus, if Hashirama wanted to be complete, he'd need Uchiha DNA and a Sharingan, lol. Madara, wanted to be complete, so he went and got Hashirama's DNA and incorporated it at the cost of becoming a ghost/shell of his former self as stated by Itachi to Sasuke and by himself to the 4 Kage when he revealed the Moon's Eye plan.

I would say that the baseline Senju or Uchiha is always incomplete, but I doubt Shisui himself had to wait 10 years for his genjutsu to work again, as that's lame. Ao must've been really powerful or Shisui must've been in a really bad condition to waste a 10 year jutsu on an elite jounin, which leads me to believe he could possibly recharge it in less time. I couldn't tell if that only applied to Itachi or Shisui also.

Nonetheless, I think the whole hubbub is about being complete. As powerful as the Uchiha and Senju are, they're just fractions of the So6P's whose power's have been split since the first sons, preventing either clan and its descendants from ever reaching their full potential. Madara is attempting to do this by cheating with his DNA tricks and reviving the Juubi, but there's too many things he's borrowing, to put it nicely, at once for things not to go wrong. That's really all that's going on.

This cycle should repeat with Sasuke and Naruto, so I'm a bit confused by Madara's recent actions. Initially, it seemed Madara was determined to repeat this with Naruto and Sasuke saying he would make them fight if necessary (when he spoke to Naruto during the Kage conference), but just recently he said something like, "Today will be the last day that the Senju will of fire will burn" when he set out with his own 6 paths of pain, so who knows what he's up to.

Side Note: Really, the only one who seems to have had both powerful eyes (Rinnegan) and body chakra (large supply + Uzumaki) is Nagato, with a vision of peace through pain and power, but he was crippled at a young age from Hanzou's fire jutsu and syncing with Gedo Mazo. If that hand't of happened, he'd be scary considering how powerful was as a cripple. He's still a bit of a mystery as to how he came to be, and how he fits into the story's Madara has told. Jiraiya has said the Rinnegan appears, according to legend, at times of war and unrest, so I think that that's most likely.

Peace

Thank you for the explanation, a well thought-out analysis

 

[~Yubel~]

Mokuton = Earth + Water which means he could use water as well.

Anyway, if Kishi doesn't show the battle at the Valley of the End before the manga ends, its gonna the biggest let down of the Manga.

Madara has earth + fire + kyuubi + ems and still< Hashirama with trees.
I´m gonna be patient and wait for kishi to show us the actual battle before i rant if i´m not convinced with how it went down but i hope i don´t hear about Hashirama anymore.

 

[psukkar]

The only think that annoys me is that orochimaru didnt use the 2nd and 1st hokages much really. He did a couple of water jutsu, some wood, an genjutsu and thats it.

1st hokage used wood,genjutsu and taijutsu. But we know he clearly can do more that.
2md hokage used two water jutsu and taijutsu. But we know he created edo tesnei and has time space jutsu.

We just havent seen how strong either one were.


Madara said he was best, he admired as such. And decided to screw bothering to try beat him just try and steal his dna and fake his death and wait for harashima to die.

Well thats what I can digest from all this.


KIshi sooner rather than later will show us the fight with madara vs harashima because we also need to know how madara survived. And clearly harashma has more to show us.

If you ask me, dont be annoyed be syched up to see real shinobi go at it.

Also remember wood is water + earth, so harasimhma could easily dealt with fire.

if you ask me these young generation shinobi aren't all that. Compare this current gen to the 1st/2nd and thrid generation to villages to the current one.

 

[Savior..]

you must have some serious problems if a cartoon gets on your nerves. -_-

 

[~Yubel~]

The only think that annoys me is that orochimaru didnt use the 2nd and 1st hokages much really. He did a couple of water jutsu, some wood, an genjutsu and thats it.

1st hokage used wood,genjutsu and taijutsu. But we know he clearly can do more that.
2md hokage used two water jutsu and taijutsu. But we know he created edo tesnei and has time space jutsu.

We just havent seen how strong either one were.


Madara said he was best, he admired as such. And decided to screw bothering to try beat him just try and steal his dna and fake his death and wait for harashima to die.

Well thats what I can digest from all this.


KIshi sooner rather than later will show us the fight with madara vs harashima because we also need to know how madara survived. And clearly harashma has more to show us.

If you ask me, dont be annoyed be syched up to see real shinobi go at it.

if you ask me these young generation shinobi aren't all that. Compare this current gen to the 1st/2nd and thrid generation to villages to the current one.

I agree with the last statement, shinobi weren´t supposed to show emotion, i know it´s impossible not to have emotion, but atleast not have weak emotions, sakura is overflowing with emotion, she tried to prevent herself from crying when she thought sasuke died, it was ok but after that it became a habit for her to cry like a bitch, that goes for most girls in the show. We all know naruto follows his own rules, his own ninja way but he hasn´t been any better then sakura lately. I don´t like naruto after the time-skip, i don´t give a shit how strong he is, i´m talking about personality.

 

[Jack Spicer]

I'm not annoyed, but you have a great point. He was OP xd


I'm glad he's dead. Madara's much cooler.

 

[~Yubel~]

you must have some serious problems if a cartoon gets on your nerves. -_-

U being a complete retard could also be considered a problem, did u read anything?

 

[I SENJU I]

because hes a senju n nobody beats them plus he related to the sage third because hes the best fourth cuse nobdy talks bad about him except for ur lame ass respect the best bitch.

 

[Eklavya]

In almost every new chapter of naruto that comes out, there is someone talking about Hashirama nowadays, when i first saw Hashirama get resurrected by oro, i was like "lets see what he can do", then later i find that ther is a dude named Yamato that has Hashiramas abilities...and that he can surpress jinchurikis, he said that Hashirama could control bijuus, this is where i get annoyed, we see that it was oro that took his cells and implanted it in 60 babies bla bla bla, we then found out he defeated an uchiha in his time, i was cool with that, then we find out that this uchiha is the strongest uchiha to ever live and then we find that this man named danzo has ten sharingans and the only reason he has enough chakra for it is cuz of Hashirama......WTF!? You mean to tell me that if he had sharingan that he could use it without any problems? What makes Hashirama so strong? We know his techniques, mokuton isn´t that difficult to counter for most shinobi, how does he have this kind of chakra? Itachi said that it would take 10 years to activate Shisuis MS if not for Hashiramas chakra, u mean to tell me that u could do something that would take 10 years of work in an instant if u had HR´s chakra?
Tsunade says that Madara took the firsts cells to extend his life.


Let me shorten this, u can extend life, control 10 sharingan without tiring with Hashiramas cells, u can use his chakra to activate MS in an instant, that would take 10 years, u can use a neklace he had to contol jinchurikis. What is this series coming to? Why is Kishi making Hashirama responsible for everything, if he´s really that strong and have such a lifeforce then shouldn´t he be alive?

What do u think about this cuz i´m getting annoyed as hell.

be patient .i am sure that kishi will surely tell us about the cause of hashirama's death even if he was invincible.

 

[Jupiter]

well you're right at some point, kishi lately puts somuch importance in the DNA of hashirama, but that doesnt really get on my nerves

 

[~Yubel~]

because hes a senju n nobody beats them plus he related to the sage third because hes the best fourth cuse nobdy talks bad about him except for ur lame ass respect the best bitch.

First of all, him being a senju doesn´t have much to do with his power cuz he´s the only one who has mokuton and whatever other abilities he has, senju isn´t known for having an ability as a clan.

Second, nobody beats the uchiha, so your statement was pointless.

Third, Madara is also related to the sage, it would be ok if people talked about Hashirama and what he did or was capable of, not in the way it is in the manga, in the manga, people talk about his cells being taken by shinobi who wants to do shit and that you need his cells to do this and his chakra to do that.

Fourth, you´re a tool, you say i should respect a cartoon character, what next? Should i worship him to? Stupid fanboy, get a life bitch!

 

[~Yubel~]

well you're right at some point, kishi lately puts somuch importance in the DNA of hashirama, but that doesnt really get on my nerves

It makes the whole story seem dumb and it doesn´t really get on my nerves either, you know what i mean, it´s annoying.

 

[Inception]

First of all, him being a senju doesn´t have much to do with his power cuz he´s the only one who has mokuton and whatever other abilities he has, senju isn´t known for having an ability as a clan.

Second, nobody beats the uchiha, so your statement was pointless.

Third, Madara is also related to the sage, it would be ok if people talked about Hashirama and what he did or was capable of, not in the way it is in the manga, in the manga, people talk about his cells being taken by shinobi who wants to do shit and that you need his cells to do this and his chakra to do that.

Fourth, you´re a tool, you say i should respect a cartoon character, what next? Should i worship him to? Stupid fanboy, get a life bitch!

lol @ the irony. Last couple of comments made by u in this thread really shows how much u care.

Regardless of that, I really do agree with some of the things u said though .

Kishi likes to take characters and rape them to an extent of no return. First was Uchiha and now Hashirama is next on his list. It's to be expected and although it makes the hokage not as interesting, it does help take the frustration away from reading about Naruto's love triangle (Naruto > Sasuke < Sakura and Sasuke being forever alone.)

Naruto as a character is becoming really stupid. He forgot his main goal about becoming hokage and is acting very cocky all of a sudden. Itachi did put him in his place but WHY does Naruto still love Sasuke so much? He loves for Sasuke is even greater than that of Ino and Sakura combined. He needs to kill him, Raikage was very right with his comment when he told Naruto to stop kneeling down for a criminal.

While Senju clan does not have a specific ability they focus on, they were the strongest clan along with the Uchiha because they were skilled in ALL types of jutsus. From genjutsu to ninjutsu to taijutsu. Senju translates to "thousand hands" or "thousand skills". You're right, Hashirama Senju's wood release was unique even amongst the Senju.

As for Hashirama; he was the founder of the leaf with Madara. Obviously he will be hyped.

I disagree with your comment about Uchiha being unbeatable. Senjus were known to be the rivals of the Uchihas. Tobi despises Hashirama because Hashirama was the better ninja who BEAT him.