Han vs Roshi

[Sensational]

He is the strongest, even the Hachibi has never seen a Bijuu so strong

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Shukaku is clearly the weakest, you seem to like to side with the most controversial subject in a debate.
Why was Shukaku on par with Gamabunta, a mere summon? He wasn't even powerful enough to do a TBB.

Gamabunta was not on par with the shukaku, i he even said it himself, he simply held him much like this

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He said he was strong because he managed to redirect the trajectory of the TBB, its even on the panel you just posted
Also were has it ever been stated that the 1tails couldnt do a TBB your forgetting that this was back in part one were even the kyuubi didnt do a TBB.

 

[Lightbringer]

The Kyuubi isn't the strongest. Due to us not seeing any Bijuu host going as far as Naruto in progression we can determine that Naruto is the strongest Jin. However, as a tailed beast solely? Kurama is not the strongest. I'd argue Shukaku is the strongest of the nine.

Saying the Kyuubi was right when Hachibi iterated his rebuttal is an opinion. The fact is; the absence of evidence, isn't the evidence of absence.

"the absence of evidence, isn't the evidence of absence" means that it's only an assumption

Hachibi was shocked at the nine-tails power

not only that but the Shikaku was defeated by the 4th kazekage(arguably the weakest of the kages) and his gold dust

the shikaku controls sand....and lost to a human that uses the same tech? sounds pretty weak

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[DrProof]

He is the strongest, even the Hachibi has never seen a Bijuu so strong

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Shukaku is clearly the weakest, you seem to like to side with the most controversial subject in a debate.
Why was Shukaku on par with Gamabunta, a mere summon? He wasn't even powerful enough to do a TBB.

Hachibi never said he had never seen a Bijuu so strong he simply said: "Wow the nine tails is hella strong." nothing else.

Shukaku isn't the weakest if you know your mythology then you'd know the Tanuki gains power progressingly when its medium is asleep. Gaara was asleep for merely a few seconds; Naruto then headbutted Gaara, and woke him up canceling Shukaku's awakening. Shukaku with not even half of its strength was dominating Gamabunta.

And as I recall didn't Minato use Gamabunta, or a weaker toad to injure the Kyuubi? The Big Three Summoning are no joke.

 

[Sensational]

"the absence of evidence, isn't the evidence of absence" means that it's only an assumption

Hachibi was shocked at the nine-tails power

not only that but the Shikaku was defeated by the 4th kazekage(arguably the weakest of the kages) and his gold dust

the shikaku controls sand....and lost to a human that uses the same tech? sounds pretty weak

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No weaker than how the kyuubi gets put to sleep with one hand
Or lol sharingan

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[Obito3631]

Gamabunta was not on par with the shukaku, i he even said it himself, he simply held him much like this

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He said he was strong because he managed to redirect the trajectory of the TBB, its even on the panel you just posted
Also were has it ever been stated that the 1tails couldnt do a TBB your forgetting that this was back in part one were even the kyuubi didnt do a TBB.

Yes and he soloed the 6 other Bijuu, it speaks for itself.
Gamabunta actually held his own against Shukaku, the manga page you posted doesn't prove anything, the impact of Gamabunta falling on him doesn't prove anything, he owned him 3 seconds after.
The Kyubi did do a TBB against Minato, Shukaku is the only bijuu who has never done a TBB, because he can't, unless you can prove otherwise.

 

[DrProof]

"the absence of evidence, isn't the evidence of absence" means that it's only an assumption

Hachibi was shocked at the nine-tails power

not only that but the Shikaku was defeated by the 4th kazekage(arguably the weakest of the kages) and his gold dust

the shikaku controls sand....and lost to a human that uses the same tech? sounds pretty weak

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Does that even make sense? Gold Sand is regular sands weakness, as it slows down the regular sand; basically paralysis. It's like saying an opponent is weak because he/she has a fire element, and loses to a water element user.. That makes no kind of sense.

 

[Obito3631]

Hachibi never said he had never seen a Bijuu so strong he simply said: "Wow the nine tails is hella strong." nothing else.

Shukaku isn't the weakest if you know your mythology then you'd know the Tanuki gains power progressingly when its medium is asleep. Gaara was asleep for merely a few seconds; Naruto then headbutted Gaara, and woke him up canceling Shukaku's awakening. Shukaku with not even half of its strength was dominating Gamabunta.

And as I recall didn't Minato use Gamabunta, or a weaker toad to injure the Kyuubi? The Big Three Summoning are no joke.

he said the kyubi was strong but never commented about the strength of the other 6 bijuu, why is that you think? Not to mention that he soloed the 6 bijuus at the same time.

this isnt a manga fact, these are just assumptions and it still doesn't prove Shukaku is superior to the others.

Gamabunta didn't injure the Kyubi he just slowed him down for a sec with the impact of his fall.

 

[DrProof]

Yes and he soloed the 6 other Bijuu, it speaks for itself.
Gamabunta actually held his own against Shukaku, the manga page you posted doesn't prove anything, the impact of Gamabunta falling on him doesn't prove anything, he owned him 3 seconds after.
The Kyubi did do a TBB against Minato, Shukaku is the only bijuu who has never done a TBB, because he can't, unless you can prove otherwise.

It was in part 1 dude.. No tailed beast had performed a TBB in part 1. The power level scale was so much lower in that time.. And Gamabunta held his own against the Kyuubi if you present such an accusation saying Gamabunta was fighting on par with Shukaku. (do you remember Gamabunta had to actually fuse with Naruto's chakra to even do damage?)

All Tailed Beast can do TBB. It even says that on Narutopedia, the editors, and majority can agree that Shukaku is capable.

 

[Tennis Robot]

If Kurama wasn't the strongest then why did Madara and Obito both choose to use it for their most important battles (at the time)?

 

[DrProof]

Hey guys we're getting off topic. Let's stick to Han vs Roshi. If we argue that then that'd be better as it wouldn't be classified as spam.

If Kurama wasn't the strongest then why did Madara and Obito both choose to use it for their most important battles (at the time)?

Madara, and Obito's personal feuds were only in the Leaf Village; where Kurama resided. It'd only be logical to use the closest tailed beast you could find correct?

 

[Obito3631]

It was in part 1 dude.. No tailed beast had performed a TBB in part 1. The power level scale was so much lower in that time.. And Gamabunta held his own against the Kyuubi if you present such an accusation saying Gamabunta was fighting on par with Shukaku. (do you remember Gamabunta had to actually fuse with Naruto's chakra to even do damage?)

All Tailed Beast can do TBB. It even says that on Narutopedia, the editors, and majority can agree that Shukaku is capable.

No bijuus have done a TBB in part 1 because we haven't seen any other bijuu fighting other than Shukaku, if we had seen at least two bijuu fighting then it might have been a valid argument, i dont think there was flashback of Kyubi vs Konoha during part 1. I may be wrong though.

Also are you forgetting the fact that Kyubi soloed the 6 bijuus at the same time?

Look at what Gmaabunta did to SHukaku

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he cut his arm, he wasnt exactly as strong as him but they were pretty much on par, which proves hes very weak for a bijuu.

 

[Sensational]

Yes and he soloed the 6 other Bijuu, it speaks for itself.
Gamabunta actually held his own against Shukaku, the manga page you posted doesn't prove anything, the impact of Gamabunta falling on him doesn't prove anything, he owned him 3 seconds after.
The Kyubi did do a TBB against Minato, Shukaku is the only bijuu who has never done a TBB, because he can't, unless you can prove otherwise.

Sure is soloing in here isnt it? Like i said Strech armstrong is not the kyuubis natural power

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Its already been stated that every tailed beast can do a TBB hence the name TBB

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The gamabuta pinned down the kyuubi its no different then what he did to the 1tails

 

[DrProof]

No bijuus have done a TBB in part 1 because we haven't seen any other bijuu fighting other than Shukaku, if we had seen at least two bijuu fighting then it might have been a valid argument, i dont think there was flashback of Kyubi vs Konoha during part 1. I may be wrong though.

Also are you forgetting the fact that Kyubi soloed the 6 bijuus at the same time?

Look at what Gmaabunta did to SHukaku

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he cut his arm, he wasnt exactly as strong as him but they were pretty much on par, which proves hes very weak for a bijuu.

The Kyuubi soloed six Bijuu's? Link please

Also, like I said Tanuki gain their full power power when their host is fully asleep, and their persona is completely eaten away.. Gaara had just entered slumber. And Shukaku are is cut correct, but that isn't much of a problem. He is sand after all. It could just come back together or regrow most likely like Gaara's wounds did.

Anyhow back to the topic Han vs Roshi. I'll argue for Han.

 

[Obito3631]

The Kyuubi soloed six Bijuu's? Link please

Also, like I said Tanuki gain their full power power when their host is fully asleep, and their persona is completely eaten away.. Gaara had just entered slumber. And Shukaku are is cut correct, but that isn't much of a problem. He is sand after all. It could just come back together or regrow most likely like Gaara's wounds did.

Anyhow back to the topic Han vs Roshi. I'll argue for Han.

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with just a fraction of the kyubi's power.

Still that doesnt prove Shukaku is stronger, this is just assumption, if anything hes the weakest, based on the evidences that are in the manga.

 

[Lightbringer]

Does that even make sense? Gold Sand is regular sands weakness, as it slows down the regular sand; basically paralysis. It's like saying an opponent is weak because he/she has a fire element, and loses to a water element user.. That makes no kind of sense.

Yeah but problem with your logic is that the Shikaku has a lot more chakra and probably sand at its disposal than the 4th kazekage

that's like saying Mei can counter the 2 tails or 4 tails flames with suiton.....which is highly unlikely

 

[DrProof]

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with just a fraction of the kyubi's power.

Still that doesnt prove Shukaku is stronger, this is just assumption, if anything hes the weakest, based on the evidences that are in the manga.

That's 5 Bijuu bro. Also what chapter is that.

Shukaku being the weakest is your opinion. Guess I can't change that.

Yeah but problem with your logic is that the Shikaku has a lot more chakra and probably sand at its disposal than the 4th kazekage

that's like saying Mei can counter the 2 tails or 4 tails flames with suiton.....which is highly unlikely

Having a large chakra capacity doesn't mean anything. Look at Sasuke vs Itachi; Itachi outlasted Sasuke when Sasuke has a 3.5 in stamina, while Itachi has a 2.5 in stamina.

Mei most likely could counter the 2, and 4 tails Katon. It's a nature advantage. Look at Hidan, and Kakuzu. Hell look at the akatsuki in general. Normal sized humans that take on Bijuu as a job.

 

[Sensational]

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with just a fraction of the kyubi's power.

Still that doesnt prove Shukaku is stronger, this is just assumption, if anything hes the weakest, based on the evidences that are in the manga.

if

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gaara could do the same thing with this and block TBB


He could also do that strech arm BS

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[Obito3631]

That's 5 Bijuu bro. Also what chapter is that.

Shukaku being the weakest is your opinion. Guess I can't change that.




Having a large chakra capacity doesn't mean anything. Look at Sasuke vs Itachi; Itachi outlasted Sasuke when Sasuke has a 3.5 in stamina, while Itachi has a 2.5 in stamina.

Mei most likely could counter the 2, and 4 tails Katon. It's a nature advantage. Look at Hidan, and Kakuzu. Hell look at the akatsuki in general. Normal sized humans that take on Bijuu as a job.

its chapter 572 and kyubis TBB was powerful enough to overpower the combined power of the TBB of 6 tailed beasts, this speaks for itself


Based on manga facts and feats, Shukaku is clearly the weakest

 

[DrProof]

its chapter 572 and kyubis TBB was powerful enough to overpower the combined power of the TBB of 6 tailed beasts, this speaks for itself


Based on manga facts and feats, Shukaku is clearly the weakest

Shukaku isn't the weakest. That is like I stated earlier an opinion.

 

[Obito3631]

if

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gaara could do the same thing with this and block TBB


He could also do that strech arm BS

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more proof, he destroyed 6 bijuus at the same time with the help of the hachibi, theres no rebbutal

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