Genjutsu don't work on perfect jin right?

[Aznkidd]

1. I said god-level genjutsu
2. Chakra mode is two chakra sources mixed together. Logically, if you infect the chakra mode with a god level genjutsu chakra, you infect the two chakra sources that make that chakra mode. At this point, the only way naruto could break out of a genjutsu if he take in NE to override the infected chakra flow.

So unless you're calling god-level genjutsu fodder now, I don't see it happening.

You still ignore the very basic element of how Genjutsu work then i will just drop you there. No need to argue anymore.

 

[V h o]

This is where we're lost. Unless Kishi said "chakra mode" chakra can't be infected, I'm not seeing why he can't be hit with a God- level Genjutsu!

Didn't Kakashi said Sakura is a genjutsu type person? Yet, a God-level Genjutsu from Sasuke put her useless behind out.

Lel I don't see why you think level of strength ignores the fundamentals kishi established unless it was shown to do so, like IT working on people without chakra even.

 

[Ansatsuken]

You need two separate chakras to cancel out the genjutsu right?

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Naruto is a perfect jin right? So Chakra mode is flawless and shit right? So in a sense, his chakra and Kurama's chakra is FULLY MIXED together as one when in chakra mode right?

How would he be able to break out of a god-level genjutsu when Kurama's chakra and his chakra is mixed into one? You need two separate chakras to cancel out the genjutsu right?

How Naruto and Kurama gonna do that when their chakra is fully mixed together as one in chakra mode?

I know how? Naruto would have to turn off chakra mode, then turn it back on to purify himself in order to break out of the genjutsu or take in NE to purify his chakra flow.

So Genjutsu can't work on perfect jin?

Do you know in that little amount of time of trying to break out of a genjutsu, A shit load of things could happen to the user!

Yeah look how fast Sasuke ganjutsu on Sakura. In the blink of an eye.

 

[Nagi]

You still ignore the very basic element of how Genjutsu work then i will just drop you there. No need to argue anymore.

What is the basic? What am I missing? The chakra behind a God-level Genjutsu will infect current Target's chakra flow. The only way Naruto could fix it is shutting off chakra mode or take in NE to renew his chakra flow.

 

[Nagi]

Lel I don't see why you think level of strength ignores the fundamentals kishi established unless it was shown to do so, like IT working on people without chakra even.

lol plzz tell me what kishi established. Break it down for me! What am I missing?

 

[super yang]

genjutsu is merely PnJ hiding behind a named a in-universe ability.

its never, ever, ever worth debating as a stand-alone combat concept

good day...

 

[V h o]

lol plzz tell me what kishi established. Break it down for me! What am I missing?

Kishi said that you can overpower genjutsu with your own chakra, and if that doesn't work the partner method can work. You're ignoring that and saying 'god level genjutsu ' can't be disrupted nor overpowered.

 

[SatanicGod]

I say you can hit the ground and break out of a genjutsu and attack within 1 second. Dude go re read Naruto manga, 10 seconds is enough to destroy hundreds of ninjas. Bee was covered with 8 tails' chakra cloak, which gives him speed. Pain admitted Naruto's speed when he was transformed into 4 or 5 tails.

How does ones speed affect gravity? Also there was clearly enough time for Killer Bee to state how it's an illusion, point out how he can't move, Sasuke to cover his eye, and killer bee to hit the ground and roll a little bit before he attacked.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Yagura is a disgrace then

 

[Nagi]

Kishi said that you can overpower genjutsu with your own chakra, and if that doesn't work the partner method can work. You're ignoring that and saying 'god level genjutsu ' can't be disrupted nor overpowered.

How you overpower a god level genjutsu that placed 9 pokemons in pokeball? I always thought Genjutsu can only be as strong as the user. So Im assuming that since Sasuke got the rikudou chakra, his genjutsu ain't weak at all.

Now unless you trying to tell me that Naruto's large pool of chakra is somehow stronger than Sasuke's very rich high quality chakra, I don't see it naruto breaking it with his own chakra.

Yes naruto got rikudo chakra too, but Sasuke chakra is still the highest quality.

 

[V h o]

How you overpower a god level genjutsu that placed 9 pokemons in pokeball? I always thought Genjutsu can only be as strong as the user. So Im assuming that since Sasuke got the rikudou chakra, his genjutsu ain't weak at all.

@ bold: This is where you first went wrong

Now unless you trying to tell me that Naruto's large pool of chakra is somehow stronger than Sasuke's very rich high quality chakra, I don't see it naruto breaking it with his own chakra.

You overpower the genjutsu inside the person. You claiming that sasuke's chakra is stronger than naruto, rikudo, kurama, and the other various bijuu is laughable.

Yes naruto got rikudo chakra too, but Sasuke chakra is still the highest quality.

So? Still have kurama and the other bijuu powerful chakra to use to overpower or disrupt his chakra

 

[Ansatsuken]

What about Sasuke genjutsu both of them(Jinchuriki and Bijuu) simultaneously. GG

 

[Nagi]

@ bold: This is where you first went wrong


You overpower the genjutsu inside the person. You claiming that sasuke's chakra is stronger than naruto, rikudo, kurama, and the other various bijuu is laughable.


So? Still have kurama and the other bijuu powerful chakra to use to overpower or disrupt his chakra

1. Don't see how I'am wrong. But okay
2. So You're saying naruto chakra was weak at the time when Itachi placed him in the genjutsu twice?
3. So now we're saying Naruto got other bijuu chakras and that Kurama don't need to cancel him out of it because naruto's chakra mode is strong enough to break himself out of the genjutsu?

I'm just gonna throw this out there...didn't 3T Sasuke enter Naruto's mind and shut down Kurama chakra? Oh snap...Didn't you guys said that in the mind, it can be minutes but only a second or two on the outside right?

So by this logic, Sasuke can shut them both down with a genjutsu simultaneously or hit naruto with it, then enter his mind to put Kurama to sleep, then hit Naruto with it again if he break out of it within 2 seconds of Sasuke putting Kurama to sleep.

 

[Aznkidd]

What is the basic? What am I missing? The chakra behind a God-level Genjutsu will infect current Target's chakra flow. The only way Naruto could fix it is shutting off chakra mode or take in NE to renew his chakra flow.

You still dont understand it. The chakra flow from Genjutsu must be overwhelmed the target's chakra flow until it makes the "target chakra flow" flow with it.
That is only work on target with only chakra that flow within his body. Bijuu is seperated that is why they can snap their jinjuriki out of Genjutsu.
But naruto is the link for all Bijuus just like Hagonomo. He has not only his own chakra that flow within him but the constant flow from other bijuus just to maintain the link, cause this is how their chakra is connected, like a remote wifi host.
You cant just genjutsu the target that has everything to counter you everytime. It works constantly.

 

[Nagi]

You still dont understand it. The chakra flow from Genjutsu must be overwhelmed the target's chakra flow until it makes the "target chakra flow" flow with it.
That is only work on target with only chakra that flow within his body. Bijuu is seperated that is why they can snap their jinjuriki out of Genjutsu.
But naruto is the link for all Bijuus just like Hagonomo. He has not only his own chakra that flow within him but the constant flow from other bijuus just to maintain the link, cause this is how their chakra is connected, like a remote wifi host.
You cant just genjutsu the target that has everything to counter you everytime. It works constantly.

Do you know what Chakra mode is? It is like this. You got one big pool of water(Naruto's chakra) and you got 9 pipes(9 tailed beasts) connected to it. When you're in Chakra mode, those 9 pipes are open the whole time. the 9 pipes are pouring water(chakra) into it.

Got it?

Now Genjutsu from Sasuke who got the highest quality chakra that was able to placed all the tailed beasts in a genjutsu at the same time with no problem.

So if Sasuke hit chakra mode naruto with Genjutsu. That Genjutsu chakra will infect "chakra mode" naruto's chakra pool that is connected and running with all the 9 tailed beasts. That is like dumping a shit load of trash(genjutsu chakra) into the pool which will infect the water(chakra).

How do you clean it? Chakra mode Naruto's chakra gotta be GREATLY stronger than Sasuke Genjutsu's chakra(The same genjutsu chakra that placed all the tailed beasts under a genjutsu at the same time) to destroy the trash(Sasuke's genjutsu chakra) in the pool.

If it was a weak trash(Genjutsu chakra), then the naruto chakra pool will drown that weak trash(genjutsu chakra)

So far we have no proof that chakra mode Naruto's chakra is far greater than Sasuke's chakra.

So how would Naruto break out of it? I know! Open up a new pipe to his chakra pool! nature energy pipe. By doing that, it will weaken the trash(genjutsu chakra) enough for naruto to overpower it. This was only possible because a new source of chakra appear to press down on the genjutsu chakra.

Got it?

 

[V h o]

1. Don't see how I'am wrong. But okay

Because you're assuming powerful genjutsu can't be overpowered by chakra.

2. So You're saying naruto chakra was weak at the time when Itachi placed him in the genjutsu twice?

Obviously it was. Hence the partner method needing to happen.

3. So now we're saying Naruto got other bijuu chakras and that Kurama don't need to cancel him out of it because naruto's chakra mode is strong enough to break himself out of the genjutsu?

Need to use chakra to over power the chakra inside the person causing the disruption. Naruto has a plethora of strong chakra alongside his own to use. Case closed.

I'm just gonna throw this out there...didn't 3T Sasuke enter Naruto's mind and shut down Kurama chakra?

Yes? Not like that chakra was even the full bijuu or really any percent of his power. Yamato also suppresses kurama chakra as well.

Oh snap...Didn't you guys said that in the mind, it can be minutes but only a second or two on the outside right?

Don't see where I said that or why I'm added with these 'guys'.

So by this logic, Sasuke can shut them both down with a genjutsu simultaneously or hit naruto with it, then enter his mind to put Kurama to sleep, then hit Naruto with it again if he break out of it within 2 seconds of Sasuke putting Kurama to sleep.

Doesn't matter if both are hit with genjutsu since you can still overpower the genjutsu with chakra.

 

[Nagi]

Because you're assuming powerful genjutsu can't be overpowered by chakra.


Obviously it was. Hence the partner method needing to happen.


Need to use chakra to over power the chakra inside the person causing the disruption. Naruto has a plethora of strong chakra alongside his own to use. Case closed.

Yes? Not like that chakra was even the full bijuu or really any percent of his power. Yamato also suppresses kurama chakra as well.

Don't see where I said that or why I'm added with these 'guys'.


Doesn't matter if both are hit with genjutsu since you can still overpower the genjutsu with chakra.

You're going against the manga. Hashi suppressed all the tailed beasts at one point. Madara and obito controlled Kurama at one point. We both now that obito's chakra is a far cry compare to Madara.

It is like you refuse to admit that even a perfect jin have a weakness.

 

[V h o]

You're going against the manga.

I'm not.

Hashi suppressed all the tailed beasts at one point.

Then why did the sand have the one tails if all were in the leafs ownership?

Madara and obito controlled Kurama at one point. We both now that obito's chakra is a far cry compare to Madara.

So?

It is like you refuse to admit that even a perfect jin have a weakness.

What weakness is there to say? Only people immune to genjutsu are rinnegan going by that BS DB or so I've heard.

PJ just have another check that a team would have, partner method, alongside the basic over power the controlling/disruptive chakra.

 

[Aznkidd]

Do you know what Chakra mode is? It is like this. You got one big pool of water(Naruto's chakra) and you got 9 pipes(9 tailed beasts) connected to it. When you're in Chakra mode, those 9 pipes are open the whole time. the 9 pipes are pouring water(chakra) into it.

Got it?

Now Genjutsu from Sasuke who got the highest quality chakra that was able to placed all the tailed beasts in a genjutsu at the same time with no problem.

So if Sasuke hit chakra mode naruto with Genjutsu. That Genjutsu chakra will infect "chakra mode" naruto's chakra pool that is connected and running with all the 9 tailed beasts. That is like dumping a shit load of trash(genjutsu chakra) into the pool which will infect the water(chakra).

How do you clean it? Chakra mode Naruto's chakra gotta be GREATLY stronger than Sasuke Genjutsu's chakra(The same genjutsu chakra that placed all the tailed beasts under a genjutsu at the same time) to destroy the trash(Sasuke's genjutsu chakra) in the pool.

If it was a weak trash(Genjutsu chakra), then the naruto chakra pool will drown that weak trash(genjutsu chakra)

So far we have no proof that chakra mode Naruto's chakra is far greater than Sasuke's chakra.

So how would Naruto break out of it? I know! Open up a new pipe to his chakra pool! nature energy pipe. By doing that, it will weaken the trash(genjutsu chakra) enough for naruto to overpower it. This was only possible because a new source of chakra appear to press down on the genjutsu chakra.

Got it?

First he was able to put them into genjutsu just be cause they are pure livin chakra. They just have powerful chakra but not complicate like Naruto.
Second Naruto is at sage level, his chakra is powerful. They both get 50/50 from the sage so i dont know where did you get that info from that Sasuke able to overpowered Naruto chakra to flow his way, not to mention there are more source of chakra to dump that shjt...
You dont just make thing up, it has to be back up by manga fact.

 

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