Genjutsu don't work on perfect jin right?

[Nagi]

Why would he even let naruto know that he's in genjutsu?he simply breaks him out of it in an instant by sending chakra to his body like kakashi/chiyo/sakura(don't remmeber which one) did to naruto.......

them mofo saw that Naruto was in a genjutsu.

Chakra mode naruto is two chakra(s) mixed together as one. I'm not seeing Kurama breaking genjutsu right away unless he shut down chakra mode for him and turn it back on.

 

[Arima]

Somebody is claiming that they can break out of it in one second. It gotta be at least 10 seconds to break out of it if it a perfect team.

10 seconds is more than enough for the Uchiha to finish off the jinchuuriki

Sasuke casts genjutsu (page 9):

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And the next moment you see this (page 10):

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Where did you measure 10 seconds? Killer Bee was not affected in any way at all, although Sasuke used his MS to cast genjutsu

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Keep fanfiction in the corresponding section, please.

 

[Nagi]

Sasuke casts genjutsu:

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And the next moment you see this:

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Where did you measure 10 seconds? Killer Bee was not affected in any way at all, although Sasuke used his MS to cast genjutsu

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Keep fanfiction in the corresponding section, please.

All that didn't happen in one second thought. Took him at least 5 to 10 seconds. unless you wanna say you can hit the ground and break out of a genjutsu and attack within 1 second, I dont see it happing.

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke casts genjutsu (page 9):

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And the next moment you see this (page 10):

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Where did you measure 10 seconds? Killer Bee was not affected in any way at all, although Sasuke used his MS to cast genjutsu

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Keep fanfiction in the corresponding section, please.

You skipped the part Sasuke needed cool down time, B took advantage of his ignorance that jinchuuriki can break free of genjutsu

 

[Arima]

That is what I'm here to find out. Chakra is mode is Naruto's chakra and kurama's chakras mixed together as one right? So how they gonna cancel out a god-level genjutsu from Sasuke when their chakras are mixed together as one in chakra mode?

The only solution I see is turn off chakra mode and turn back on or take in NE to fix the chakra flow.

regardless of what they do, it will take at least 5 to 10 seconds to break out of a god- level genjutsu if their teamwork is flawless.

They are mixed, but not entirely. Here is the gif from the Last movie, Naruto let's Kurama out of his body to fight Toneri's summon.

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[Arima]

You skipped the part Sasuke needed cool down time, B took advantage of his ignorance that jinchuuriki can break free of genjutsu

Still not 10 seconds though. Once 8 tails broke Killer Bee free, he could constantly stream small amounts of chakra into Killer Bee, so that genjutsu won't affect him.

 

[Nagi]

They are mixed, but not entirely. Here is the gif from the Last movie, Naruto let's Kurama out of his body to fight Toneri's summon.

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How would Kurama break naruto out of genjutsu if when he is sending chakra to naruto is it is supplying the chakra mode's chakra? Only a source of chakra that is not the same as the chakra that is affected can break the user out of a genjutsu.

So Kurama or Naruto would have to leave chakra mode to fix the chakra flow or take in NE to renew the chakra flow. Am I right?

 

[Arima]

All that didn't happen in one second thought. Took him at least 5 to 10 seconds. unless you wanna say you can hit the ground and break out of a genjutsu and attack within 1 second, I dont see it happing.

I say you can hit the ground and break out of a genjutsu and attack within 1 second. Dude go re read Naruto manga, 10 seconds is enough to destroy hundreds of ninjas. Bee was covered with 8 tails' chakra cloak, which gives him speed. Pain admitted Naruto's speed when he was transformed into 4 or 5 tails.

 

[Aznkidd]

How would Kurama break naruto out of genjutsu if when he is sending chakra to naruto is it is supplying the chakra mode's chakra? Only a source of chakra that is not the same as the chakra that is affected can break the user out of a genjutsu.

So Kurama or Naruto would have to leave chakra mode to fix the chakra flow or take in NE to renew the chakra flow. Am I right?

He doesnt need to. He is the link to all bijuus and you can just google how does a remote wifi host... Then you can understand why it is impossible to genjutsu hagonomo and Naruto, cause it breaks the genjutsu right away..

 

[Nagi]

I say you can hit the ground and break out of a genjutsu and attack within 1 second. Dude go re read Naruto manga, 10 seconds is enough to destroy hundreds of ninjas. Bee was covered with 8 tails' chakra cloak, which gives him speed. Pain admitted Naruto's speed when he was transformed into 4 or 5 tails.

I don't know what to say to this. I'm just gonna leave it.

 

[Arima]

How would Kurama break naruto out of genjutsu if when he is sending chakra to naruto is it is supplying the chakra mode's chakra? Only a source of chakra that is not the same as the chakra that is affected can break the user out of a genjutsu.

So Kurama or Naruto would have to leave chakra mode to fix the chakra flow or take in NE to renew the chakra flow. Am I right?

Naruto's chakra is affected if he falls under genjutsu, not Kurama's. Killer Bee was covered with chakra cloak, but was able to break through it.

 

[Arima]

I don't know what to say to this. I'm just gonna leave it.

Has no counter facts, has nothing to say. Stay in denial.

 

[Nagi]

He doesnt need to. He is the link to all bijuus and you can just google how does a remote wifi host... Then you can understand why it is impossible to genjutsu hagonomo and Naruto, cause it breaks the genjutsu right away..

Naruto's chakra is affected if he falls under genjutsu, not Kurama's. Killer Bee was covered with chakra cloak, but was able to break through it.

lol. You two are missing the point. If naruto is hit with a god-level Genjutsu while in chakra mode, How is Kurama gonna break him out of it? If Kurama is sending him chakra, ain't that chakra supplying the "Chakra mode" chakra?

It have to be a source of chakra that is not the same as the "infected" chakra("Chakra mode" chakra).

So how would Kurama break him out of it?

The only solution I can see is Kurama shutting down chakra mode or naruto take in NE to renew his chakra flow.

 

[Math42]

Only Tsukyomi, the strongest genjutsu, might work, but then again jins possess really strong bodies, so it's very likely it will not affect them, or jin can just switch with the beast. Fodder genjutsu won't have effect.

Tsukuyomi is no longer the strongest genjutsu, but I agree.

 

[Arima]

lol. You two are missing the point. If naruto is hit with a god-level Genjutsu while in chakra mode, How is Kurama gonna break him out of it? If Kurama is sending him chakra, ain't that chakra supplying the "Chakra mode" chakra?

It have to be a source of chakra that is not the same as the "infected" chakra("Chakra mode" chakra).

So how would Kurama break him out of it?

The only solution I can see is Kurama shutting down chakra mode or naruto take in NE to renew his chakra flow.

To begin with, I don't see a problem with switching on and off chakra mode, it is not a problem at all and fast enough. Kurama and Naruto are still separate, even if Kurama is sending chakra.

It is you who does not understand how it works with jins. Here Killer Bee is utilizing 8 tails' chakra i.e. tentacles. After he falls under genjutsu, 8 tails just wakes him up. As long as tailed beast is present within a jin, beast can always wake the host up.

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[Aznkidd]

lol. You two are missing the point. If naruto is hit with a god-level Genjutsu while in chakra mode, How is Kurama gonna break him out of it? If Kurama is sending him chakra, ain't that chakra supplying the "Chakra mode" chakra?

It have to be a source of chakra that is not the same as the "infected" chakra("Chakra mode" chakra).

So how would Kurama break him out of it?

The only solution I can see is Kurama shutting down chakra mode or naruto take in NE to renew his chakra flow.

In order to genjutsu the target, you need to insert chakra into opponent to manipulate the target chakra right ?
And for a normal ninja, he need to stop the flow and disturb the genjutsu chakra right ?
Here is the thing, the genjutsu chakra will break down right away cause there are many different source of chakra flow within his body and they are all powerful one. There is no gap for that genjutsu to work cause it needs to mono the target chakra into it's manipulation...

 

[Nagi]

To begin with, I don't see a problem with switching on and off chakra mode, it is not a problem at all and fast enough.Kurama and Naruto are still separate, even if Kurama is sending chakra. It is you who does not understand how it works with jins.

Here Killer Bee is utilizing 8 tails' chakra i.e. tentacles. After he falls under genjutsu, 8 tails just wakes him up. As long as tailed beast is present within a jin, beast can always wake the host up. It is as if jins have second consciousness.

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1. That is what I needed to hear from you. That shit can't be done within 5 seconds. More than enough time for to get kill from Sasuke or Madara.
2. Yes i know Kurama and Naruto are still separate, but in chakra mode, their chakra(s) are mixed together as one.

You're assuming that I don't know that a tailed beast can awaken its host from a genjutsu. I'm trying to find out the process of it being done in chakra mode. I can fully understand Killer Bee and 8 tailed. But naruto is in chakra mode! His chakra is mixed together with Kurama to create "chakra mode" chakra. If naruto wasn't in chakra mode and got hit by a genjutsu, then yeah i can easily see Kurama breaking him out of it due to their chakra not being mixed together.

 

[Nagi]

In order to genjutsu the target, you need to insert chakra into opponent to manipulate the target chakra right ?
And for a normal ninja, he need to stop the flow and disturb the genjutsu chakra right ?
Here is the thing, the genjutsu chakra will break down right away cause there are many different source of chakra flow within his body and they are all powerful one. There is no gap for that genjutsu to work cause it needs to mono the target chakra into it's manipulation...

1. I said god-level genjutsu
2. Chakra mode is two chakra sources mixed together. Logically, if you infect the chakra mode with a god level genjutsu chakra, you infect the two chakra sources that make that chakra mode. At this point, the only way naruto could break out of a genjutsu if he take in NE to override the infected chakra flow.

So unless you're calling god-level genjutsu fodder now, I don't see it happening.

 

[V h o]

Their chakra being mixed doesn't seem to mean anything unless both kurama and naruto will be under genjutsu. Otherwise kurama can still disrupt their chakras. Didn't sakura disrupt her own chakra with her chakra?

 

[Nagi]

Their chakra being mixed doesn't seem to mean anything unless both kurama and naruto will be under genjutsu. Otherwise kurama can still disrupt their chakras. Didn't sakura disrupt her own chakra with her chakra?

This is where we're lost. Unless Kishi said "chakra mode" chakra can't be infected, I'm not seeing why he can't be hit with a God- level Genjutsu!

Didn't Kakashi said Sakura is a genjutsu type person? Yet, a God-level Genjutsu from Sasuke put her useless behind out.