Genetics are hardly relevant

[KingHashirama]

I don't care one bit KH. Naruto flat out agreed with the Sage's opinion on the matter.

And i don't care.. about that either rofl. I have a brain and i will judge on what i see. Naruto is the best genius shown in the manga.

If you don't like him being a genius your fault. I give no f*cks.. this is going to turn out into rock lee fans claiming he ain't a genius. lord.

Older generation > New generation

Indra/Ashura > Madara/Hashirama

Deal with it?

People raised in war > People who started and hardly have experience in war.

Madara/Hashirama > Indra /Ashura.

So deal with it?

You're saying you can judge them as weaker than both Madara and Hashirama from one panel.....that doesn't make sense

You honestly believe I say all those things about Madara being powerful because he's my favorite? Well I don't, and I don't think EMS Madara is more powerful than Indra.

You are saying you can judge them as stronger from one panel? That makes no sense..

And no i just thought you would use logic when it atleast came to Madara.. instead of riding the normal "go with the flow" train that NB goes through every chapter..

Their chakra isn't living on after death so no they aren't.

Welp, when they can talk to thousands of people and show them flashbacks of their memories without any help.. we can talk about who is stronger.

 

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The sons where definitely stronger than Madara and Hashirama, Indra has PS and current Uchihas need EMS to achieve that.

 

[Lightbringer]

And i don't care.. about that either rofl. I have a brain and i will judge on what i see. Naruto is the best genius shown in the manga.

If you don't like him being a genius your fault. I give no f*cks.. this is going to turn out into rock lee fans claiming he ain't a genius. lord.


People raised in war > People who started and hardly have experience in war.

Madara/Hashirama > Indra /Ashura.

So deal with it?


You are saying you can judge them as stronger from one panel? That makes no sense..

And no i just thought you would use logic when it atleast came to Madara.. instead of riding the normal "go with the flow" train that NB goes through every chapter..

I did state my logic in my first comment, yet you failed to read it. It's an assumption rather than a declaration that he was stronger. You made a thread trying to prove that both Madara and Hashirama are stronger with no evidence, I just merely have a hunch.

 

[Bogard]

People raised in war > People who started and hardly have experience in war.

Madara/Hashirama > Indra /Ashura.

So deal with it?

Haha someone is mad Indra/Ashura > his favourite character using his own manga logic Lol. Don't worry, they would slightly break a sweat after their respective battles, which you should consider as a great achievement lol

 

[~Sky~]

And i don't care.. about that either rofl. I have a brain and i will judge on what i see. Naruto is the best genius shown in the manga.

If you don't like him being a genius your fault. I give no f*cks.. this is going to turn out into rock lee fans claiming he ain't a genius. lord.

You're obviously not all there then. The creator of the character flat out disagrees with you. Everything Naruto's learned was through hard work.

And who said I don't like him being a genius? I don't care either way. But it's a flat-out, in-your-face, manga fact that he is not.

Rock Lee has nothing to do with anything in this thread, does he?

 

[KingHashirama]

The sons where definitely stronger than Madara and Hashirama, Indra has PS and current Uchihas need EMS to achieve that.

And Hashirama on the other hand inherited the body of the juubi itself.. and the largest base chakra kown in the manga.. so which one is it?

I did state my logic in my first comment, yet you failed to read it. It's an assumption rather than a declaration that he was stronger. You made a thread trying to prove that both Madara and Hashirama are stronger with no evidence, I merely just have a hunch.

Yet there is evidence. And also, you do realize the burden of evidence doesn't rely on me..for example it is not my point to prove Madara is stronger than Sasuke, when Manga doesn't say anything like that in fact it would be your backing to prove me that Sasuke is stronger than Madara..

No evidence in the manga says sons are stronger than the VOTE legends.. I mean by the logic you are using.. i can very well say, Older son and younger son > Rikudou and his brother without jinchuriki.. now show me evidence otherwise.. wtf.

Haha someone is mad Indra/Ashura > his favourite character using his own manga logic Lol. Don't worry, they would slightly break a sweat after their respective battles, which you should consider as a great achievement lol

Now you will sound like an idiot trying to claim Indra/Ashura > Naruto.. since he is my favorite.. though as your fanboyness is probably referring to Hashirama since you do tend to get hurt by these things.. so you know what If you think he can take on the buddha then so be it..

Realistically both are solo'd by SM Hashirama. #MangaFacts.

 

[Lightbringer]

Now you will sound like an idiot trying to claim Indra/Ashura > Naruto.. since he is my favorite.. though as your fanboyness is probably referring to Hashirama since you do tend to get hurt by these things.. so you know what If you think he can take on the buddha then so be it..

Realistically both are solo'd by SM Hashirama. #MangaFacts.

lol the epitome of blind fanboyism

@bold: no manga facts to support this

 

[Bogard]

Now you will sound like an idiot trying to claim Indra/Ashura > Naruto.. since he is my favorite.. though as your fanboyness is probably referring to Hashirama since you do tend to get hurt by these things.. so you know what If you think he can take on the buddha then so be it..

Realistically both are solo'd by SM Hashirama. #MangaFacts.

Even if Hashirama isn't your absolute favourite, he is still one of them, making my sentence absolutely true. Indra/Ashura do are > Naruto as well anyway, so it changes nothing Lol. Claiming SM Hashirama defeats them isn't going to make it true sadly for you. Don't worry i know that feeling. After some time you will learn to accept the inferiority of your fav lol

 

[assface3]

Stopped reading after you said Naruto was a prodigy.

 

[shelke]

Sometimes, you make the most bizarre claims, Hashirama. May I ask why? This looks like a new form of hoopla.

 

[chaos control]

Manga =/= character statement, that was Rikudou's opinion on Naruto. However, manga shows Naruto > Sasuke in terms of genius.

So i'm gonna go with the showcasing rather than a character's opinion, who failed to realize that even his younger son had talent in gathering people together.

1. They started the war when they were adults. . They hardly had any ninjutsu... holy sh*t you failed to use logic here bro.

2. Sorry, but you do realize the younger son's technique is like an ant in front of Hashirama's true power right? And inmyodon will simply do the affect of tbb.. Hashirama will simply create new mokuton.. nothing special mate. And yea my point exactly none of their descedents commented on their power.. but did so on their fathers.. rofl.

And we can stated they are weaker, unless manga states or shows they are stronger..




@Bold, so how exactly are they powerful..?

And did i say they wasn't powerful? lol...I said they ain't on Hashirama and Madara's levels.

You as a Madara fan should know Madara's power.. yet you are here underrating him.

1. Just because they started the war when they were adults does not mean that they didn't fight before then. Hagoromo did teach them ninshuu when they were kids after all (which they could have abused or turned into ninjutsu). Also they could have had plenty of ninjutsu that we don't know about or were simply lost to history. Think about it. Who else has used creation of all things (the full version, not izanagi)? Nobody. This is an example of a jutsu lost to history. It could be the same with the brothers. Therefore, just because they didn't have a lot of modern day ninjutsus doesn't mean that they didn't have a lot of ninjutsus period. It just means that their jutsus were ancient and on a different level (whether that level was higher or lower) than the modern day ones.

Analogy: My grandma's childhood didn't have stuff like the wii u or the ps4, but does that mean that they didn't have games period? No. They just had different kinds of games (like board games or card games).

Also onmyodon was canonically stated to erase things thay it comes in contact with and destroy things at or beyond a molecular level. That includes wood (senjutsu or not wood still has molecules).

Finally, you say that we can assume that they are weaker, but think about this:

If I have never seen you do math, then how can I logically assume that you are not as good as my friend at math?
It is like that. If we haven't seen them fight, then we can't make assumptions.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol the epitome of blind fanboyism

If it helps your ego then i guess i am.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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This implies that Indra naturally had chakra that rivaled Hagoromo's own, while Ashura earned the same level of chakra. Please bear in mind that Hagoromo's chakra is probably far beyond anything we've ever seen considering he mad3 the freaking moon! Neither Madara, nor Hashirama have demonstrated chakra of this level. In fact, neither have demonstrated anything close.


Since Indra inherited this level of chakra, it's safe to say that his PS is beyond Madara's. It's also safe to say Ashura, since he equals that power, is stronger than Hashirama. Unless you can provide proof that Hashirama and Madara have chakra powerful enough to create the moon.

 

[Joshutsu]

People just go off of looks. Just cuz they look tough doesn't mean they can test Hashi and Madz. They are so adamant yet you have more proof they arent stronger than Hashi and Madz than they do that they are.

Back in those days there was little to no competition besides the juubi which they sealed not beat.. and still half in each of them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Even if Hashirama isn't your absolute favourite, he is still one of them, making my sentence absolutely true. Indra/Ashura do are > Naruto as well anyway, so it changes nothing Lol. Claiming SM Hashirama defeats them isn't going to make it true sadly for you. Don't worry i know that feeling. After some time you will learn to accept the inferiority of your fav lol

Well you obviously showed your ego with the first sentence. -sigh-.

And i guess stating Madara > Hashirama, Obito > Hashirama, Rikudou > Hashirama, Kaguya > Hashirama isn't accepting inferiority.

And it makes me sick that people like you actually think people like me care about their favs being the stronger ones.. we sadly don't. Hashiram was a fodder in part 1.. didn't give a f*ck.. move on child.

Sometimes, you make the most bizarre claims, Hashirama. May I ask why? This looks like a new form of hoopla.

Yet no one seems to prove me wrong on it, besides insulting me, and using reason that contradicts itself..

Why are people not claiming Asuma > Kakashi? Hashirama's kid > Minato and Hiruzen? why not that?

1. Just because they started the war when they were adults does not mean that they didn't fight before then. Hagoromo did teach them ninshuu when they were kids after all (which they could have abused or turned into ninjutsu). Also they could have had plenty of ninjutsu that we don't know about or were simply lost to history. Think about it. Who else has used creation of all things (the full version, not izanagi)? Nobody. This is an example of a jutsu lost to history. It could be the same with the brothers. Therefore, just because they didn't have a lot of modern day ninjutsus doesn't mean that they didn't have a lot of ninjutsus period. It just means that their jutsus were ancient and on a different level (whether that level was higher or lower) than the modern day ones.

Analogy: My grandma's childhood didn't have stuff like the wii u or the ps4, but does that mean that they didn't have games period? No. They just had different kinds of games (like board games or card games).

Also onmyodon was canonically stated to erase things thay it comes in contact with and destroy things at or beyond a molecular level. That includes wood (senjutsu or not wood still has molecules).

Finally, you say that we can assume that they are weaker, but think about this:

If I have never seen you do math, then how can I logically assume that you are not as good as my friend at math?
It is like that. If we haven't seen them fight, then we can't make assumptions.

1. Actually there was peace.. unless you can show me their fights of course.. And yea i'm sure they had FTG and etc. since they are rikudou's sons. And also, jutsu lost to history? Any evidence of this.. unless ninja are dumb enough to not use jutsus that are strong.. which i doubt. And also, how do you have ninjutsu when there isn't none to began with.. its like saying renaissance scientists were smarter than someone like Einstein.. no. Progression and the events of that era tells us who was stronger in what. For examples, people from the roman/greek/feudal and etc eras were better fighters with the sword and shield than us....

@Analogy: And your games totally leave them in dust. I'm pretty sure if they had a choice they would have gone with the current games, rather than the games avalaible at that time.

Hmm thats nice.. but to get rid of Mokuton you must get rid of land itself.. and nature itself..


Also for me saying to assume that they are weaker.. let me counter your scenario with this:

You are hailed as the best in math, and you have shown your skills, over and over. While I show one impressive feat, that doesn't even come close to yours.. How can i even put myself on your level? .. but there will be people trying to do that........

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This implies that Indra naturally had chakra that rivaled Hagoromo's own, while Ashura earned the same level of chakra. Please bear in mind that Hagoromo's chakra is probably far beyond anything we've ever seen considering he mad3 the freaking moon! Neither Madara, nor Hashirama have demonstrated chakra of this level. In fact, neither have demonstrated anything close.


Since Indra inherited this level of chakra, it's safe to say that his PS is beyond Madara's. It's also safe to say Ashura, since he equals that power, is stronger than Hashirama. Unless you can provide proof that Hashirama and Madara have chakra powerful enough to create the moon.

Yet Hashirama possesses the body of the juubi itself.. something rikudou and Ashura failed to possess.. .

It ain't about the genetics mate.. if you wanna use Rikudou's quotes and statements.. use that one also. it ain't about that genetics...

And also, no Rikudou never put his sons on his level..

 

[Bogard]

Well you obviously showed your ego with the first sentence. -sigh-.

And i guess stating Madara > Hashirama, Obito > Hashirama, Rikudou > Hashirama, Kaguya > Hashirama isn't accepting inferiority.

And it makes me sick that people like you actually think people like me care about their favs being the stronger ones.. we sadly don't. Hashiram was a fodder in part 1.. didn't give a f*ck.. move on child.

Good good, now maybe you should learn to accept Indra/Ashura are stronger as well. In one panel, they showed a level of power the likes of Madara/Hashirama dedicated all their life to reach. Their chakra is so vastly powerful that it can transmigrate through generations and generations just like their father

 

[KingHashirama]

Good good, now maybe you should learn to accept Indra/Ashura are stronger as well

nWhen you admit Hashirama >>> Minato. =].

 

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Yet Hashirama possesses the body of the juubi itself.. something rikudou and Ashura failed to possess.. .

It ain't about the genetics mate.. if you wanna use Rikudou's quotes and statements.. use that one also. it ain't about that genetics...

And also, no Rikudou never put his sons on his level..

Lol what?? when did Hashirama possess the body of the Juubi? lol your fanboyism is leading to fanfiction dude the Juubi's body is the gedo mazou.

 

[Bogard]

nWhen you admit Hashirama >>> Minato. =].

Care to show me when i refused to admit it? The only issue is concerning BM Minato who i consider stronger

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol what?? when did Hashirama possess the body of the Juubi? lol your fanboyism is leading to fanfiction dude the Juubi's body is the gedo mazou.

Juubi is made of Mokuton..... Hashirama has Mokuton..

Rinnegan is the eyes of the Juubi..... Rikudou has the rinnegan.


Gedo Mazo = Made of Mokuton..

Care to show me when i refused to admit it? The only issue is concerning BM Minato who i consider stronger

Well i was referring to your believe edo Minato.