Genetics are hardly relevant

[KingHashirama]

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The Son's of Rikudou are weaker than the VOTE Legends.. and may i say they are probably 50% of the power of the VOTE Legends. (this is explainable since there are people out there who really don't like Hashirama and Madara , so its understandable and all).

The reasoning behind why the Sons are stronger (used by other people):

- They are the Sage's sons.. yeaaaa sadly that is hardly relevant in the manga, where prodigies like Naruto and Hashirama are born to weak parents (atleast weak compared to their child).

- They are the originator of those bloodlines hence why they have to be the strongest, because everyone after them is just hardly pure blooded.. See only problem with this is, you are again going against the manga itself.

- Portrayal.... wait which portrayal? There is literally 0 hype in the shinobi world about their power, their only relevance to the shinobi world is that they started the bloodlines of Madara and Hashirama




Reason behind my choice, and the choice made by other people:

- Hashirama and Madara are far superior in battle experience and in battle sense.

- Their experience with ninjutsu and the TYPE of ninjutsu exceeds the sons.

- Their raw power exceeds the sons, Juubi level Katon and creation of forests in an instant.. yeaaa

- The sons are shown to be really not that powerful compared to Madara and Hashirama..

- If the younger son is stronger because he is the directly related to the Sage himself.. then tell me why he doesn't have the juubi's body aka Mokuton.. tell me why he only has "chakra" associated techniques. And then further than that no Sage mode.. :yeah:

- If the older son is stronger because he is directly related to the sage himself.. then tell me why Madara doesn't even bother mentioning him..He clearly mentioned Rikudou as a god.. but what about the starter of his clan.. nope nothing about him.

- Naruto someone who is hardly senju is going to be the strongest of all time.. come on now..



So i mean we want to play the whole "son" game.. we can. And might as well have people start claiming Hashirama's kid > Minato and Hiruzen. Not only that but Hiruzen's kid > Kakashi and etc. But then you realize the parents of Hashi and Hiruzen ain't that special...

But yeaaa.. what do you think? Genetics still stronger?

 

[Retsu]

pretty sure both sons are stronger than Hashirama and Maddy

 

[Made in Heaven]

They have no feats

 

[Dantee]

The problem is they are the sages son.

 

[KingHashirama]

pretty sure both sons are stronger than Hashirama and Maddy

Well realistically, I'm gonna go with the one who can overpower Kurama and PS at the same time..

Or with the one who has far more experience in battle, and with the EMS and knows many ninjutsu.

Oh plus, what exactly counters the buddha? Or the vast amount of ninjutsu/genjutsu knowledge of the VOTE legends?

The problem is they are the sages son.

And the problem again is, no one in naruto gives a crap about their power.. Yet do give a crap about Hashirama and Madara's power.. Just saying.

 

[Bieber]

Both sons are practically featless, but I disagree. They're definitely stronger.

 

[KingHashirama]

Both sons are practically featless, but I disagree. They're definitely stronger.

yea but here is the thing explain yourself.. without contradicting the manga.

 

[Snape Uchiha]

I agree. The sage himself said that having strong parents doesn't mean the child is strong.

 

[Retsu]

Well realistically, I'm gonna go with the one who can overpower Kurama and PS at the same time..

Or with the one who has far more experience in battle, and with the EMS and knows many ninjutsu.



And the problem again is, no one in naruto gives a crap about their power.. Yet do give a crap about Hashirama and Madara's power.. Just saying.

you've no proof that either of those two can't overpower kurama, and of course no one mentions there power, no one in the current generation knows hardly anything about them, this is obvious since there has been no mention of the sages brother. but it's obvious that the sons are much stronger than Hashi and Maddy.

 

[Limbo]

I agree, good thread

 

[rollin]

Hashirama and madara are probably just as strong as the sages sons
Madara had two get 2 power ups to use perfect susano Indra didn't hes the sages son
Hashi has as much yang as asura its just that when he combines it water and earth he can use mokuton
Hashi and ems madara=rinnegan
Indra and asura=rinnegan

 

[KingHashirama]

you've no proof that either of those two can't overpower kurama, and of course no one mentions there power, no one in the current generation knows hardly anything about them, this is obvious since there has been no mention of the sages brother. but it's obvious that the sons are much stronger than Hashi and Maddy.

Sorry but you seem to believe that I HAVE to provide proof. I am going with what i am given, and what i am given is drastically weaker than Madara and Hashirama..

No one in the current generation knows hardly anything about Rikudou.. but still a legend surpassing all.

But again i''m not seeing any reasoning from you.. what is the obvious thing? That Buddha itself solos both of them together ? Or the huge amount of ninjutsu experience gap? Or the fact Madara and Hashirama have been fighting in a war since they were little kids.. ?

Hashirama and madara are probably just as strong as the sages sons
Madara had two get 2 power ups to use perfect susano Indra didn't hes the sages son
Hashi has as much yang as asura its just that when he combines it water and earth he can use mokuton
Hashi and ems madara=rinnegan
Indra and asura=rinnegan

And also, sadly no. Mokuton is a birth thing.. not something people can learn.

"2 power ups".. umm i recall him using Susanoo without his eyes.. while the older son needed his eyes. And having EMS doesn't really mean you unlock PS.. and on top of that Sasuke who will be the strongest of all the uchiha also had to get 2 powerups.. so by logic The older son somehow did have an EMS.. otherwise where would the trend start from?

Hashirama + Madara = Mokuton and Rinnegan

Ashura + Indra = Rinnegan

See the huge difference?

 

[Dantee]

And the problem again is, no one in naruto gives a crap about their power.. Yet do give a crap about Hashirama and Madara's power.. Just saying.

The same people who don't know anything about the Sage or Kaguya?

 

[Bogard]

That's right. Compare the legends LOL to featless people

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

There are no implications suggesting that the 2 sons were stronger than Hashirama or Madara. If anything, they are shown as equals. But I doubt that since Madara had EMS and was the first Uchiha to unlock it and even then Hashirama was still stronger.

 

[KingHashirama]

The same people who don't know anything about the Sage or Kaguya?

Yet those same people hail Rikudou to be the GOD of naruto-verse.

There are no implications suggesting that the 2 sons were stronger than Hashirama or Madara. If anything, they are shown as equals. But I doubt that since Madara had EMS and was the first Uchiha to unlock it and even then Hashirama was still stronger.

But no one is stating the implications..
I mean am i supposed to believe someone who simply has the Sage's chakra is stronger than someone who possesses the Juubi's body (Mokuton) plus the Sage's chakra?

 

[Draphsin]

What portrayal? Hagoromo praised his son himself, lol if that's not hype then Idk what is.

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Indra gained hagoromo's strong chakra genes. The excellent older brother, as called by his father.

Their chakra is so powerful that it still lives on, manifesting itself through other people down the generations[

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For all we know madara & hashirama were once possessed by the chakra of indra & ashura, which would then be why they were destined to fight.

Portrayal puts the ootsutsuki family on a completely different level than anyone else, aside from possibly juubi jins. Might as well say that kaguya & hagoromo's brother are weaklings as well, since we only know about the sage & his feats right?

 

[TrollKing]

There are no implications suggesting that the 2 sons were stronger than Hashirama or Madara. If anything, they are shown as equals. But I doubt that since Madara had EMS and was the first Uchiha to unlock it and even then Hashirama was still stronger.

So6god said indra was perfect inherited all so6god, then said ashura went toe to toe with indra. That suggest they were at so6p level

 

[KingHashirama]

What portrayal? Hagoromo praised his son himself, lol if that's not hype then Idk what is.

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Indra gained hagoromo's strong chakra genes. The excellent older brother, as called by his father.

Their chakra is so powerful that it still lives on, manifesting itself through other people down the generations[

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].

For all we know madara & hashirama were once possessed by the chakra of indra & ashura, which would then be why they were destined to fight.

Portrayal puts the ootusuki family on a completely different level than anyone else, aside from possibly juubi jins. Might as well say that kaguya & hagoromo's brother are weaklings as well, since we only know about the sage & his feats right?

ALL THE SENJU HAVE SAGE'S BODY.. the problem is to what extent?

ALL THE UCHIHA HAVE THE SAGE'S STRONG CHAKRA.. the problem is to what extent.?

And in the scan you provided the sage talks of himself.

And i'm sure Hashirama and Madara are the son's reincarnations.. but as I said, they are in fighting wise stronger than the sons.. And if they are the reincarnations, then that simply means Hashirama and Madara's chakra also continues, which is the same as NAruto and Sasuke's.

Portrayal says the strongest Uchiha ever and the 2nd God of Shinobi , and the person who put down the juubi like it was nothing are vastly stronger. People who can do juubi level techniques are vastly stronger.

Hmm yea non-jin Rikudou isn't portrayed to be the strongest.. its the Juubi jin that is portrayed to be the strongest..


And clear difference between Hashirama and Ashura.. is the fact Hashirama possesses the Juubi's body.

 

[ajboyz]

But still the two sons is their predecessor directly teached by hagoromo himself the founder of Ninshuu I guess. How the offspring after a few generations has the equal amount of chakra as their predecessor had. The older sons inherited his father's power while the younger son was entrusted to be the juubi jin. How hashirama's and madara's power are able to feat the sons of the sage? So, I still believe the sage's sons is stronger.