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Yo! O__O CL starts up again tomorrow!! Going to watch Milan park the bus for sure... or maybe we'll be in for a surprise there?? The best defense is attack after all, or so they say...
As a Cule I really see slim chances unless Barca plays some extraordinary football with Messi/Xavi/Inesita having their A games. I really hope we don't go through with any controversial calls. I don't really see us getting too far regardless with the defence were carrying.
Personally, I'd go with ReLax on this one. It's a pretty simple equation for Barca. That if their A-Stars like Messi/Iniesta are on a wonder day or if the referee brought on his assist whistle, then they have more than a legit chance to go through.

I think, too much emphasis has been put on Milan's defence (the park the bus tactic) & Barca's way to up their game. It's true but in my eyes, the real key lies in Milan's attack. If they manage to score one goal, they'll have heavy momentum. But if they doesn't score tonight, they'll feel those 90 minutes of defending look like 90 days of torture. The pressure of eliminating Barca with Camp Nou atmosphere, when you have got a legit chance with 90 minutes of defending, is too overwhelming in my eyes. So, quite frankly, more than good defending, Milan actually needs to be very clinical in attack today and that, inevitably leads to El Sharaawy being in scintillating form.

Most people don't realize but Milan didn't park the bus at San Siro. And neither did Madrid in their 2 back-to-back classicos. What they did was a pure tactical. A lone striker. Two wingers with heavy work-rate that can help their full-backs but also take advatage of Alvez/Alba's offensive tendencies (Di Maria/Boateng/Muntari), then a No.10 that's willing to drop deep and harass Xavi/Busquets like Ozil/Pizzarro did. Afterwards, the rest should defend well but not in park-the-bus but in more tactical way. At San-Siro, I noticed that whenever Messi played as No.10, the defensive back-four played the offside line against Sanchez/Pedro and when Messi played as striker, he was zone-marked by one defender but man-marked by a midfielder or a winger. Quite frankly, I think Milan will try a similar route, just perhaps without risking as in the first leg.

NOTE: The part on winger with high-work-rate that help fullbacks can be replaced by a winger with genius ability that can damage on counter-attack (like Ronaldo) but since Milan don't have that, we'll stick with the first option.

So, unlike many, I don't see Milan parking the bus - except if they took an opening Barca goal in first 15 minutes or if they're down to 10 or less. But again, that's my opinion.
 

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Tonight's matches:

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First result: 0-2
Well, a nearly perfect match from Barca in my eyes as they annihiliated Milan 4-0. (4-2 Agg.)

Match-analysis

Well, this match can be divided into some different key tactics used & different key moments.

1. Milan starting to defend deep right from the first second. In my pre-match analysis, I said that I don't think they'll do that at the start. I was wrong but still, I was right by thinking that if they do that, that'll be the wrong choice and I was 100% right on this. They did a great tactical set-up of how to deal with Barca in their first leg and Mou also gave a similar blueprint that was successful using both an A & B- Madrid Team. Yes, they opted for Chelsea/Inter's route but that route requires 2 things: Divine Intervention and Messi with Bad Luck!

2. Taking the opener so early in the match. I said that if that happens, whether they like it or not, they'll be force to park the bus then. And well, I didn't went wrong on that one. Taking a goal in first 5 minutes with such atmosphere, it breaks you psychologically and that what happened.

3. Messi upping his game. Not that it's a key event but this match's fate decides so much on the Argentine's magic and his 2 goals shows it. The 2 goals are wonderfully btw!

4. Barca using far-shots and using the wings a lot. This is a big change from their 'poor' first leg at San Siro where they kept their sterile possession in midfield, without making full use of the wings. This time, Alvez/Alba used the wings a lot and even guys like Iniesta/Villa/Messi/Pedro worked the wings a lot. Also, the far shot where Barca has created its best chances. Messi's 2 goals, Iniesta's saved-cum-bar shot, Xavi's low-powershot and more...

5. Disable the pressing of Milan's No.10. At San Siro, Xavi/Busquets were pressure a lot by Pizzarro. This time, Niang's pressure is largely ineffective to disrupt Barca's fluidity in passing. This is perhaps due to Pizarro being more suited to that role but also, because Mascherano & Iniesta & a full back came close towards their two playmakers whenever Niang exerted some pressure. Since Milan was defending deep, Barca players simply overpowered Niang/El Sharaawy's pressing by outnumbering them. A great tactic that many won't notice in my eyes.

6. Milan's poor fate of hitting the post. That's why I say that divine intervention is a key part in this 'Park-the-Bus' tactic. Missing golden opportunities like destroys that tactic on quite some levels. As players tortured psychologically by the defending and lack of possession, get another moral blow when they see the great chance they missed out. And Messi's quickfire shot that followed up, prove that point.

7. Pressing of Barca players. Well, this is a key part in Barca's philosophy and their play but something that was really absent at San Siro.

8. Milan reverting back to their first leg tactic in second half. Not that this was extremely influential but seemingly, they realized their mistake of parking the bus in first-half and probably overcome the psychological trauma of the 2-0 at half-time. They were then more interesting in their offensive moves.

9. Well, the masters of passing - Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets all being at the near-best once again like Messi.

10. No real refereeing controversy from what I saw.

Player-ratings-wise, I think I pretty much said it all for Barca's 4 key players. Kudos to Villa to scoring such a crucial goal after such tough times. Great match of Alba who scored but also blocked the best player at San Siro (Boateng) exceptionally. The rest did their job. Ambrosini had a poor match. All Milan's defenders suffered a lot; especially young K.Constant. El Shaarawy tried to shine vainly in first half and got extincted in second-half. Niang match is resumed with his missed chance. Robinho had lot of fiery in his belly but couldn't change the tide. The rest tried resisting and helping the team but what to do when you have so less possession and such a masterful performance from Barcelona players...

Can Milan have regrets in this match? Well, regrets of choosing the wrong option at the start of the match and regrets for Niang of missing the key chance which probably would have change the match & momentum. But otherwise, not much sad afterthoughts against such a big and highly professional performance from Barcelona.

I'd say that Barca can use both matches of Milan as references for future use. The match at San Siro contains all things that shouldn't be done in a match and the match of Camp Nou contains everything of what to done; namely high pressing of all Barca players, scoring at key instants, far shots, usage of wings, helping out the deep-lying playmakers & the stars like Messi/Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets playing at their best.

Does Barca playing consistently like this makes them invincible? Perhaps not as their defence still shows certain criminal lapses at times. But if they play all remaining CL matches like this, then forget the end of an era, they'll still remain as top-heavy favorites for the CL imo.
 
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With Barca's great comeback & Galatasaray extinguishing the spite of a possible German revolution, well, I must say that Spanish teams turned the tide well. Not that it pleases me but it's like that as they were seemingly curfewed before the start of 2nd leg

For now, there are:

2 Spanish teams (Madrid & Barca)
1 German team (Dortmund)
1 Italian team (Juventus)
1 French team (PSG)
1 Turkish team (Galatasaray)

In case of a more than probable Bayern victory - German/Spanish teams will have 2 strong representatives for QF and no English teams. Also, in case of a Bayern defeat or a Malaga victory or both, then Spain will lead the QF with the most teams....
 

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I'm happy that Barca is through but I'm kinda unhappy with Milan and ManU not... semi's like

MAN vs ACM and FCB vs FCB



would be perfect :3
 

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Well Escorp highlighted it pretty well. I have to say as a life long Cule, I had my doubts, Milan haven't lost a game in their 10 past games, and one which they beat us 2-0 and drew with Inter right after. Barcelona have been poor ever since the loss to RSC and it was down hill, but this performance they showed us a championship side. Xavi said it best one thing this side was missing is an epic come back and now that is checked off. By the way this was the first time a team lost an away game without scoring by two and over turning the deficit, another historic moment in Barcelona.

This team played like a unit today. They all tracked back, double teamed players and contributed defensively. I was on the edge of my seat this whole game even with the 3-0, all Milan needed was that 1 goal to advance, and when they tried searching for it we caught them on a rare counter Barcelona, which Barcelona seem not to play with and got the 4th goal. Every player deserves the credit and we live to see another day in Europe. Now it only gets tougher with the likes of Bayern, Juventus, Madrid, and Dortmund lurking around. This is one performances we don't always see, I remember Sir Alex once said, "Barcelona are the best, but when Lionel Messi, Xavi and Andres Iniesta are on song, they’re just unstoppable."

I hope to see this performance throughout the remaining of our CL voyage, however it won't be easy.
 

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Barcelona, deserved the win. Feeling bad about Schakle. I really thought that all the german clubs (Dortmund,Bayern,Schalke) would go to the QF together.

Whatever, tonight is Bayern's turn to win! ...Oh yeah boy.
 

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Revenge 19 years later!

I loved the 3-5-Messi-1 tactics :p
Barca this time reminded me of the 5-0 in Nov. 2010. I loved every second of this one and was very glad to see David Villa instead of Cesc from the start of the game. Apotheosis of football.

Once again, great analysis Escorpiius! So glad I can read it this time!
 
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Aggergate: 3-3
Bayern wins on away goals


The shocking goal from Arsenal was their perfect goal. When you are losing on aggergates, you should score as fast as you can. Bayern were totally out of control. As a first-half, Arsenal had a good defence, blocking attacking passes and crosses. Fabianski (Arsenal's GK) made some cool saves. I think he saved Arsenal from not conceding a goal. Muller also, wasn't very focused, Kroos too. Robben tried doing something, cracking the defence but failed at that. Even if he had the chance to shoot and score, Fabianski blocked them very well. Bayern tried crossing the ball to score a goal, but Arsenal didn't panic and blocked all the players. Still, Arsenal hardly got the chance to score a goal.
Bayern improved at the second-half, playing an attacking game with some dangerous and very good counter-attacks. They still failed at scoring at least 1 goal. Most of the time, I realised Bayern started shooting from a long distance. Robben, Kroos, Gustavo, Muller, Martinez...but they all had a leaked finishing shot. Robben and Mandzukic had some good chances...Muller also. As for Bayern's defence, they had a good defence. Lahm, Dante, Alaba and van Buyten actually played well. Arsenal also, was very close. Good job!
Heycken's comment:
We failed to put up a real fight against them in the first half. We improved in the second half and created chances to score, but overall we never had real control of this match and were never able to pass the ball in the calm and controlled manner we are used to. . . .
Wenger's comment:
It is a shame to go out, but the performance, clean sheet and defensive display were very good. We gave the ball away at times when we shouldn't have, but overall I was quite happy. . . .

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QUARTER-FINALS DRAW : 15 MARCH (Friday)

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QF Draw Predictions:
Prediction 1
Barcelona vs Galatasaray
Bayern vs PSG
Dortmund vs Malaga
Real Madrid vs Juventus

Prediction 2
Barcelona vs PSG
Bayern vs Juventus
Dortmund vs Malaga
Real Madrid vs Galatasaray

Prediction 3
Barcelona vs Bayern
Dortmund vs Juventus
Real Madrid vs PSG
Galatasaray vs Malaga


3 Spanish Teams (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Malaga)
2 German Teams (Bayern Munchen, Borussia Dortmund)
1 Italian Team (Juventus)
1 French Team (PSG)
1 Turkish Team (Galatasaray)

0 English Teams​
 
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bayern nearly choked against another English team in their stadium LOL
now that they already secured Bundesliga title its time to focus for DFB Pokal and UCL,
They already have won DFB Pokal too. :D
Bayern won in the QF 1-0 against Dortmund. Now they will play in the semi-final agaist Wolfsburg. Wolfsburg got beaten by Bayern this session in the BundesLiga 3-0 and 2-0 so, not a hard competition to win.
 

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oh yeah its just Wolfsburg i forget about that, and by the way Neuer trying to copy Swansea Ballboy LOL,
why can't he just applaud the goal like he did to Balotelli screamer in the euro xd
 

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I'm getting too excited about the Quarter Final Draw! So...I want to post something to get it off.

First Teams:
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(First teams -> Favorite to go to the Semi-finals)

Well...I would like to see Barcelona and Real Madrid agaist Bayern Munchen and Dortmund in the Semi-Finals!
What do you guys think?
 

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I'm getting too excited about the Quarter Final Draw! So...I want to post something to get it off.

First Teams:
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(First teams -> Favorite to go to the Semi-finals)

Well...I would like to see Barcelona and Real Madrid agaist Bayern Munchen and Dortmund in the Semi-Finals!
What do you guys think?
I'd put Juventus above Real, as they haven't been that great this season (though they were great in their last 2 games against Barca).

Anyways, here's my list (from most likely to least likely to win it):

1. Barca. Top of La Liga by 13 points, and they had the best start in the history of La Liga in the beginning of the season. Not to mention they're playing well again, and their coach will be back soon. IMO, His absence was a big reason for Barca not playing so well in the last few weeks. Not to mention Barca have the best midfield and attack (at least when Villa's playing) in the world, as well as 3 of the world's best 5 players (one of whom is said by some to be the best player ever). And the way Barca raped Milan after going down 2-0 in the first leg was just amazing. By far the best performance of any round of 16 match (though Barca were terrible in the first leg).

2. Bayern. They've been owning the Bundesliga, being on top by 20 points and only having dropped 9. They do tend to choke in big games though.

3. Juventus. They're winning Serie A pretty comfortably, and they have a great defense and midfield. Their forwards aren't that great though, and I can see this costing them.

4. Dortmund. They've been great in the CL but not so great in their league.

5. Real Madrid. They've been really inconsistent this season, especially in the league, being 13 points behind and barely in 2nd place. They haven't been that convincing in the CL either, Man U were owning them until the red card. They did do really well in the last 2 games against Barca though (though Barca were out of form)

6. PSG. They've got some great players (Thiago Silva, Ibra, etc), but they're not as good as the other 5.

7. Malaga. Self explanatory.

8. Galatasaray. Self explanatory.
 
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UEFA Champions Leage - Quarter Finals draw review.​
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Malaga vs Borussia Dortmund

I got this right! Whatever, both teams are in a ''cool form''. Malaga reached the top of the group and won against Porto even if they lost the 1st-leg. We can't forget the German side. Dortmund, also reached the top of the group. Won 2-1 against R.Madrid, agaist Man.City and Ajax, not losing a game. In the Round of 16 from a 2-2 draw with Shakhtar, destroyed them at home 3-0. This match will be a harder match for both teams. Dortmund are favorites but that means nothing against Malaga. They can take as example, Porto.
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Real Madrid vs Galatasaray

Real Madrid are one of those teams that are favorites in going to the Final. If we take a look to Galatasaray they have shown that they are a very good team. The way they won agaist Schalke in Germany means that they have a good team spirit. They also won agaist Man.Utd (1-0). As for Real Madird, they showed that they aren't having a good form in the group-stage. Lost against Dortmund, and in the second match almost lost again, but luckily Ozil saved the whole team. Manchester United were very close to victory against Real Madrid. Diego Lopez (R.Madrid's GK) was the hero for Madrid. Both teams are good teams, Real the better team. So this is an interesting match.
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Paris Saint-Germain vs Barcelona

Barcelona showed us one of their best performances in the last match against Milan. From a 2-0 lose to a 4-0 win! They have a very good attacking team-play. Different from PSG. Actually, PSG has some very good players. Barcelona have an easy match if they keep this good form, so nothing to say about it....
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Bayern Munchen vs Juventus

Bayern have a harder match now. Every round is being harder for the bavarians. Juventus became the best Italian team and are in the 1st place. Bayern look better actually. Only 1 lost game in the BundesLiga and 20 points clear from the 2nd place (Dortmund). Even if Juventus had an easy game (agaist Celtic) they haven't shown their best, so we have to wait. Bayern won 4-1 away agaist Juventus in 2009. But, now we are in 2013. Both teams have better players, better team now. So we can't use that fact as a reason why Bayern may win. I'm a little bit scared, that the 1st match will be played at their own stadium first (Allianz Arena, Germany). Even if Bayern is facing Juventus, a very good team they are favorites and they can win both matches if they try to reach their best!
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My early prediction is - Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund and Real Madrid in the semi-finals. 90% sure about it.​
 
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