Gadien Sasuke(no sage chakra) VS BSM Minato

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Hebi Sasuke wins Manda s0l0s.​

 

[Izanamı.]

L0l concede because I solod this thread. Manda eats BM and rinneshifts it to snake land. Biju damas are thrown back by Manda's tail.

Amaterasu one shots Minato.​

 

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Hebi Sasuke wins Manda s0l0s.​

Hey that's my font.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Glad to see your Finally conceding. L0l don't try to do a header because i decided to do so. Also time to end this non-sense.​

I clearly didn't concede. I've already addressed your arguments, but whatever helps your dumbass sleep better.

I repeated myself because you didn't give a proper counter to the post above Simple. Also im not reading the arguments you and Nike are bringing up there irrelevant to me. Then simply concede and admit that Minato loses.​

Concession accepted since you are pretty much stating that you don't feel like addressing my points.

Simply use Ameno which pulls someone from one place to another which is what i've been trying to prove to you.​

Proof that he can SEPARATE MINATO FROM THE AVATAR? Oh wait, I'm not seeing anyway.
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I need less of this and more counters to arguments notice how you went from trying to counter things to insults and now your reverting to im done repeating myself. Your trying to sneak your way out of the debate without actually quiting similar to how you did and the EMS Madara vs 3rd Raikage thread. Because you think about all the BS you spitted just to try and deny 11 manga scans which i've posted toward you and you've denied them all.​

There is no reason for me to sneak out of this debate. Not only do you make no sense, you are literally repeating the same shit the other retard has posted. I already made a long ass wall for him, not going to make one for someone who is like 3x dumber. Read the points and counter them or don't reply to me. End of story.

This is a fanfic Sasuke please stop asking for scans you damn clown. Unless the thread maker says he can't use Orbless CT then he can simple who are you to selectively choose what can and can't be down without Hagoromo chakra? He said Sasuke with Rinnegan and that is a Rinnegan Sasuke feat inb4 you say no that's a Rinnegan Sasuke feat with Rikkudo chakra there is no Sasuke with Rinnegan that doesn't have Rikkudo chakra. Do me a favor and concede. ​

I said I want any form of proof. Doesn't need to be scans. It being a fanfic Sasuke doesn't change the fact that this fanfic Sasuke is weaker than Manga Sasuke, so stop giving him Manga Sasuke feats. It's really that simple. Bold is irrelevant because that's the custom character OP has made. Whether or not Sasuke w/ no rikudo chakra but with Rinnegan can possibly exist doesn't matter to me. Since all you can do is give me this BS, it's clear you have no argument. Concession accepted.

You did infact say he'd shoot multiple multiple flash bijuudama's. Yea he blocked it with his tails i would like to see BSM Kurama head tank a Ps blade without damage.​

Throughout the whole fight dumbass. Not at once.

Scans have been posted. Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Avatar were evenly matched and Sasuke couldn't do shit to him. Scale that down and it's Sasuke vs. BM Naruto. You haven't proved that Sasuke's PS is strong enough to take out the Avatar with a single hit or pierce through it while the Manga has shown that Sasuke can't one shot the Kurama Avatar. Once again.

So you didn't mention a regular Bijuudama? Let me do my post research here. So adult Sasuke Susanoo would be weaker than Madara's? Based on what? When all of their previous Susanoo's bar v4 was on the exact same tier?​

If I mentioned one, it's probably me stating that it's useless here. You can try and do your research, but considering you can't even read a children's Manga w/o making stuff up, I don't expect you to find anything.

Smh. Sasuke's Susanoo and Madara's Susanoo have never been on the same tier. Madara's has always been larger, and that gap just increases when V4 and PS come into the fray. Like I said and have proved. Sasuke's PS downscales to BM, just like the Senjutsu Susanoo he used on Juubito. That's his PS. At this point I expect you to:

-Cry about how that's not his PS and how my scaling makes no sense even though it makes perfect sense to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

-Try and say it's equal with Madara's. lol, waiting for this one)

[BOLD]- I completely shitted on this argument nuff said. Actually it does. That was 100% Kurama standard Bijuudama and Madara Ps tanked 0 diff. Adult Sasuke PS should be if not stronger than EMS Madara Susanoo based off this one facts.
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How can someone provide Manga proof with a Fanfic version of a character? Please explain this to me?​

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KidGamer never fails to make me laugh, guy insults the opposition so hard they feel a physical slap for their stupidity through the PC.

 

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That's what I should be telling you since you keep coming at me with this BS acting like it's gonna fly.

Its not bullshid lol thinking its going to fly im dropping bar and we not talking about a stentencing oohh he got bars but on a serious not lets roll into this im not afraid of walls of text because i know most of what your saying is pure shit.

I never said that Sasuke's peak was his War Arc speed. I said that you have zero proof he's as fast as BSM Minato. That simple.

Yes you did say that dont try to deny it now since i shitted on your post but its cool. I'v been giving you this proof since my first reply to you yet the same proof argument keeps coming up lawd, BSM Naruto > BSM Minato and speed we can fabricate all day on how long how Naruto got faster with his kurama modes and how base Minato > Base naruto in terms of speed yet @ war arc they're we're evenly matched Minato had no boost during his bijuu mode powerup thus he stayed the same speed im obviously excluding the avatar, meaning BSM minato speed is equal to KM Naruto + Sage mode which is probably not faster than BM naruto alone, adult Naruto > KSM Naruto in a foot face how i know because we saw Sasuke chidori jump heights from VOTE to the last meaning his overall abilities in a 3 year time spam would have increase then you go 15 years later where he enters his prime the speed is tiers above his war arc speed which keep up with Minato. Thats my proof now we move past you constantly saying the proof because i just gave you solid facts if you deny it this time im done.

Niga how stupid can you get? What you saw was your post not mine. I missed it when I was quoting that shit. Not once have I ever agreed to that "Sasuke's Shunshin=KCM Naruto's Shunshin" BS. Get that shit out of here. Feats put KCM Minato in KCM Naruto's league when it comes to reaction speed, thus KCM Minato's Shunshin is just as fast as Naruto's at the very least, and it's most likely that it's faster. Base Minato's speed feats are completely irrelevant when we know he was far faster than Naruto.

No it indeed was your post and how would i confuse them anyways you agreed that Sasuke counter attacking Juubito's strike is atleast as quick as when Naruto dodged Ei's Punch to further add that Naruto could not dodge the attack himself to also add Sasuke was ways away from Naruto & Juubito and intercepted the attack while both looked like they have not moved in inch

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that far surpasses any fanfic shunshin you can come up with to support kmc Minato. What has KM Minato or Naruto reacted to tha suggest Sasuke is leagues below it? yes ill be waiting for it in your next reply. Base Minato being faster than base Naruto is irrelevant because we all know Naruto clearly had the bigger boost in the speed department when concerning their Kurama forms since Km naruto was equal to km Minato speed wise through the whole war your opinion means little when the manga already disagrees.

Says that he thinks that "Sasuke's Shunshin to protect Naruto=KM Naruto Shunshin to dodge Raikage"

They're about equal or Sasuke's is faster it tips the scale as much faster aswell.

Then says that he never said Sasuke is faster than Ay despite saying he's equal in speed to someone who is faster?

KM naruto dodging Raikage does not means he's faster im pretty sure Ei could crush Itachi and CQC even if he had clones and Itachi not wanting to fight him you cannot compare the two Naruto's shunshin was his best speed feat and did not do anything close to it after to say he's faster than E and im pretty sure E can dodge his own punch aswell. And if that was the case i guess Sasuke is faster than Ei because he has shown reaction feats to someone much faster than the Raikage so this argument does not help you at all.

Him being able to move means that he reacted, thus he avoided a shot to the head or the chest and took on in the arm. Pain tolerance has shit to do with it when he wasn't hit until after he had already partly evaded. If he can't completely blitz the likes of Hiruzen with Gudo Dama alone, then it's not anything remarkable. That simple.

Him reacting is irrelevant Not only was the distance between him and Obito far smaller the the distance between Naruto and Juubito Sasuke was behind them both and that is irrelevant because if Obito could guide gudo damas through his feet he would have grazed Half of Minato's body apart similar to Hiruzen does that mean they're equal in speed absolutely not. You claim he cannot blitz Hiurzen but didnt he already blitz people far faster than Hiruzen Tobirama and Hashirama with gudo dama both the times he was in movement flight which is faster then foot speed. so your point becomes moot unless your saying he faster than Tobirama which is a bold face lie.

The wank is so strong. Your beloved Sasuke was getting his ass blitzed by Juubito, and it took a Senjutsu Susanoo for him to be able to react in any type of way that'd let him strike Juubito. All he could do was mentally react at best. Zero proof he'd fare any better. Then there's the fact that Minato w/ Kurama and Sage Mode>>>Minato w/o it. So this point is useless to make anyway.

Sasuke got blitz by Juubito right in his face

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Sasuke had already reacted to juubito in the same chapter yet he was getting blitz around? child stop. It took senjutsu for him to react how does that even make sense he was not in contact with the senjutsu himself it was his susanoo and senjutsu does not increase the speed at which he could see with his eyes so your post is irrelevant. Zero proof he would fair any better? you cannot be serious this no proof argument is so lame its making me hurl my proof is that 17 year old Sasuke does not or would not = Adult Sasuke in anyway making him much faster with better reaction time. Who cares if with Kurama and sm > Him without it. and how is that relevant Minato got his ass whopped just like Sasuke did and he had Kurama so i dont even know how the last part of your post made since. Also when did Minato react to Obito? he was getting teleported into Obito and was still failing to do shit that far worst then what happened to Sasuke. Have you forgotten the main argument of Minato dominating Sasuke in all other ares? how does any of this proves he dominates Sasuke in all other areas considering Sasuke actually reacted to Juubito and Minato did not and Juubito is far faster than them both so.. this helps your argument not one bit a waste of time to even bring it up.

Learn how Sage mode works, cause you really sound dumb right here. Why are you judging BSM Minato's speed based on SM Naruto's speed feats? Sage Mode enhances Naruto's base. BIJUU SAGE MODE enhances his Bijuu Mode, thus the end result is always going to be greater. Naruto went from getting blitzed by Juubito with zero reaction, to reacting to him and tracking him. Saying that Sage Mode isn't a massive boost to reaction speed is like saying that EMS precog didn't give Sasuke a big boost in reaction speed, when he went from being blitzed and not being able to tag Juubito to being able to tag him. Not to mention revived Madara already

No you need to know how its works Bijuu mode Naruto with the Avatar & sage mode speed shits on Kmc Naruto wtih no sage mode. What is sage mode impressive feats we take that and add it to his BM form which could probably react to Juubito anyways because he was faster than everyone who Juubito blitz Before (Sasuke Minato Tobirama) so they're is no denying it was more because he was in bm vs you giving all that credit to Sage mode which has shown poor feats concerning speed. Sage Mode enhances him all around even with his Kurama chakra because it enhances chakra aswell thats why a Senjutsu rasengan > a non senjutsu rasengan from the same Naruto your logic is terrible flawed bias ass phuck.

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Sage mode reaction is boost is not more than KM mode speed and reaction so its irrelevant and no one was comparing the sage modes because we all know Naruto's is superior.

Then there's the fact that Naruto reacted to Blind Madara, who is far faster than 3rd Raikage. Something he can't even do in Base, thus it's a massive boost. Fuk you even mentioning Shunshin speed feats for? Don't give a damn. We are talking about reaction speed.

Naruto reacted Nope he barely did that we take away Madara attacking Sai and its a solid blitz from sage mode Naruto and 3rd raikage went up against a base Naruto (Clone) and Naruto had alot of outside help Also did Raikage use a shunshin? absolutely not so untill we see Madara attacking the same Naruto without using a shunshin your post is shit.

The fact you've resorted to saying that Sage Mode grants no/negligible boost only tells me how weak your other arguments are.

I call it like how i see it and if that above was you trying to prove the difference it is i just killed the argument come again thir.

Smh. Wish I could say the same.

I would not be looking forward to being destroyed either so its cool i get it.

Says I'm using plot as an argument.
Tells me that plot is why Sasuke didn't blitz the shit out of Kaguya.

Nope i did not say that i said Sasuke chose to use ameno in a different way to attack Kaguya which was obviously due to plot but we can speculate on this all we want. You are using plot for an argument Kaguya dodged it in canon so she dodges it when infact the scans i showed you Kaguya or no one for the matter could dodge it so your using plot as heavy armor here.

Learn how Ameno and Hiraishin works.

I already know how it works stop denying Ameno's feats to help your argument furthermore you have yet to give a counter to Sasuke using Ameno in that way.

That's what I just stated. Thanks for repeating to my argument.

No one repost your argument your was he warped in mid air then Naruto ran into him Mine was he warped directly on to Naruto's back to stop him like that two different arguments but ignorance can only see what it wants to i guess.

How close Sasuke teleports is irrelevant since at the end of the day, he'll still have to strike and he couldn't strike RSM Naruto at VoTE. Take away Hagoromo's power and you are left with BM and EMS Sasuke, and BSM is far faster than BM when it comes to reaction speed, so EMS Sasuke gets reacted to. That simple. Sasuke canonically failed to blitz two vital targets in his goals, but of course, devoted Sasuke fans such as yourself constantly make excuses. I think I'll go with canon thank you very much. At the end of the day, Manga>You.

You know how dumb you are if you warps behind someone so close that it looks like your touching them already that the striking speed requires less time meaning it gives your opponent less time to react against your attack thus their not dodging your post is dumb just like you. - sigh- you do realize the closer sasuke would be to Naruto the harder it would be for him to react right? so how in the phuck does your post make sense? and no your not left with BM Naruto why because he's not the equal to RSM Naruto when facing EMS Sasuke so it would be BSM naruto but i already explained this so ill let you continue to sprout this nonsense about RSM Naruto minus the Hagoromo chakra = Bijuu mode Naruto.

Still talking about Bijuu sage mode being (Far) faster lord stop trying to exaggerate the power boost granted to the user by sage mode its not a good look it makes you look like you have no real argument to fall back on. and Sage mode Naruto reaction is not faster they both have their own sensing Negative emotions and sage sensing it only improves his physical movements his reaction would only get faster if we we're talking about base naruto who has no sensing abilities period. You claim your going to go with the canon yet im posting scans from the Manga which is canon why are you actively denying the fact he used amenotejikara in different ways from when he attacked Madara vs when he attacked Kaguya thats just denying logic plain in simple and its right in your face your willing to go that far to still lose in the end about time we get done with this debate im going to trash the the puny reputation you have left especially if i got you ignoring Manga scans left and right.

Wrong. As I've already stated. He did react. He tried to activate Kamui instead of blocking. Set up a defense? Lmao. Stop making excuses and including irrelevant shit to change what happened. Your clown ass is claiming that Hiraishin and Ameno attacks are instantaneous and spawn ON TOP OF THE TARGET. Even though that makes no sense since Obito reacted to a Hiraishin blitz with his chakra arms. Unless his goddamn chakra arms somehow move much faster than instantaneous speed, there's no way that he can block them regardless of whether he's started to guard his back, cause he actually has to activate it first.

That is not a reaction please stop with this you do know what react means right because it is not countering an attack before your opponent using his Jutsu. Why would he try to activate kamui you even said he did not care about getting hit by their attacks because he thought his gudo damas would take care of them furthermore why now would he use Kamui he could have used it when they first attack him to evade from being tagged with a seal he could not remove. Hiraishin attacks are instant when you already have a seal on your back because the object their warping to meaning they move to you instantly that simple. That is not a reaction at all if Sasuke was tagged with a ftg seal and Minato warped slashed his ass up but not killing then say's ill do it again out loud in Sasuke puts up susanoo before Minato uses ftg. Followed by Minato uses ftg now then running into the susanoo does that mean he reacted hell now he just put up a defense before action could be tooken to block the attack learn what reaction means fool or maybe you do know what it means buts playing works in your favor but no on me i sniff the bullchit out like a bloodhound and i call it where i smell it or see it this logic flying is not going to fly. Obito activated his chakra arms before the

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you can see in that scan his chakra arms are flared up then right below it we see the expansion of them once the rasengan hit it your logic would only make since if he had just now whipped on the chakra arms when the moment the warped into him not before Tobirama even stated he

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even naruto stated he shielded himself but why was that because he had already readied the chakra before hand Tobirama knew that in that scan you posted he knew this attack would fail not before of his reaction but because he knew they only had one way to turn and to prove why ameno would work even more image if they would have attacked him from the front Obito would have been hit right but if Obito knew the could attack from the front he would have covered his whole body meaning its less reaction and more of a preperation defense. Obito did activate his defense first he has his chakra arms up since they last attack him you can even see the flares in this

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meaning he indeed activate it first let say Madara has perfect susanoo on and someone can strike him instantly yet they cannot penetrate perfect susanoo did Madara react to instant? absolutely not he had his defense ready for the attack making it useless.

So somehow Sasuke produced enough force to knock Naruto out of the air without actually moving his arm to strike? LMAO. You sound extra stupid here. I guess Kishimoto confused the you and the rest of the slow kids since he can't animate the Manga like they do the Anime.

Oooh my god no one ever said Sasuke did not move his arm he warps into them or warps his opponent at the moment of impact making it no striking speed for his opponent to count on to react to his attacks is it that hard to understand gotdammit when did you become so stupid. Since he cant animate the manga like they do the anime what is that even suppose to mean child stop half your post is denying logic simple as that its only about 25 percent of a debate here they're is more insults then debate here.

What you are saying is impossible. How the hell does Sasuke knock Naruto out of the air without putting force behind his attack?

i already adressed this quit playing dumb af or are you really this stupid striking at the moment of impact means there is no striking because Minato would just land on the attack vs him being teleporting than Sasuke trying to attack him what cant you get.

Most times there has been a blitz, Kishimoto doesn't show the actual strike of the person doing the blitzing. If I used your shitty logic, I'd be saying that the following had no striking speed involved at all.

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Im sorry but i could have sworn their was a strike on multiple occasion

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case closed you phucking dumbass.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/638/19/
Guess Obito magically cut them apart.
-http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/639/19/
Guess Obito teleported them to his hands.
-http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/637/12/
Guess that Magic made Minato's arm swing up/down and cut into Obito's torso. Definitely no striking speed here. Definitely no strike at all.

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You wanna know the difference between all those scans you shown (Besides the Minato one) all was done with foot speed but absolutely none was done with teleportation except the Minato one and Minato warped to Obito at the moment of impact you know so his arm was already in the motion upward. But none could warp the opponent on to an attack that analogy was awful please reframe from using it again.

Because that's how you use Chidori. The only reason you didn't see that shit against Madara is because Madara was too slow to react, thus he got blitzed.. Ameno canonically failed against Naruto. Downscale and it fails again, but this time Naruto is slower than Minato, thus Minato evades it. You keep making these petty excuses, telling me "Ameno is instantaneous striking" Oh wait, "no striking at all". Even though that makes no sense. You can't hurt your opponent unless you strike them, especially since Sasuke's attack works by thrusting his hand at the opponent to do damage. If Sasuke had struck BEFORE Madara was put into place, you would see no impact marks when Madara gets hit, because there wouldn't be force behind his hand to make an impact mark. But of course, keep ignoring Manga. That's what you do best.

yes Chidori works by thrusting his opponents into the sky since when? Sasuke blitz Madara with his foot speed and we did see the slash what are you even talking about. If your talking about when he warped them into his attack its because not only is chidori a piercing attack it was meet on the other side by a rasengan with equal force keeping the body in place. Walking around an argument what are you even talking about iv countered them all plus your acting like Sasuke has not shown to use ameno in a different way ignorance truely is bliss i see. Ameno did not fail against Naruto Sasuke landed the attack while blitzing him right where did it fail? not to mention later on in the fight Naruto was blitz with susanoo using ameno so how did it fail? Still using this Naruto is slower than Minato nonsense with your un accurate ass downscaling comparing RSM to BM which is no where near right i already explained it RSM is the equivalent to BSM with Hagoromo's chakra so why when we scale it down why would it be bijuu mode naruto? simple answer is it would not quit being or acting like a fool. How can you have an attack that has no striking at all you cant be this stupid i swear for goodness Sasuke warps you into the attack HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND! or he warps you at the moment of impact giving you know time to react i cant believe how many times i have to type this nonsense for you to get i swear in your next reply if these same arguments you seem to not get come up im deleting them and moving on to the next. WTF are you talking about no force put behind the attack when did i ever say that? thats your fanfic your so stupid your getting lost in your own strain or thoughts no one said Sasuke would strike without striking? dumbest crap i ever heard second no force behind his attacks how would that help Sasuke win if he has no force behind his attacks i swear i think i got a little bit dumber reading this post. What part of ignoring the manga did you get out of me saying Sasuke warping the opponent at the moment of impact or warping them into his attacks? furthermore where did all this no force behind the attack come from this whole post made 0 sense from top to bottom but did i expect more no because all this is a way for you to cover your tracks about denying the most productive way he could use amenotejikara and infact Kaguya did not counter it in that way so its useless you saying in canon does not change the fact that what i posted also happened in canon.

Lmao, once again, you sound dumb.

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after what i just read you and anything that got to do with the word stupid should only be in a sentence of you calling you calling yourself stupid.

Not only are there motion lines on Naruto's arm, showing that he did move. How the actual hell is his Rasengan going to put a hole in Obito's back and throw him to the ground if no force was put behind it to begin with? Then once again, we see the same impact marks around the Rasengan when it collides with Obito's back, showing that Naruto put force behind it. Shit didn't just spawn on his body. Lmao. Ridiculous. So

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Im literally done! where tha phuck is you getting the bold from? where please tell me. of course they're is movement how can you attack someone without movement wanna know what happen ill have to say this the 1 thousandth time Naruto strikes Tobirama waprs Naruto is in the same motion as he was when he striked why because instant movement give you know time to move anymore right after you've been warped the movements from his arm was from before he warped not after you idiot you even told me that the anime would clear it up because you cannot see in Manga panels in the manga and anime agrees with who Unorthodox

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skip to 4:35 Obito is hit the moment Naruto is warped Because he warped on to Obito Back because obito was the seal target now say the anime is not canon so i can laugh at your whole joke of a post.

Naruto can create craters like that and holes in people's back by simply laying Rasengan on their back?

Obviously i really dont get where this post is aimed at in your reply to went to deep without giving an actually quote your replying to i actually think your talking to youself on this one.

Obito can react to instant striking since he confirmed he tried to use Kamui but failed

He never confirmed he tried to use kamui to evade their attack why would he need it when up until that moment you said he was not worried about they're attacks he let Naruto and sasuke hit him so what changed from then to now? how in the world you can possibly react to instant striking speed? its instant kamui is not so your post fails in 2 different ways Sasuke who blitz Madara was not insta striking yet a superior jin was caught fail logic fails once again. In the speed of that attack is juubi jin level if its not instant as you claim how in the world does someone like Minato react to that?

Learn how Rasengan and Chidori works. Chidori works by thrusting your hand at the opponent to pierce through them. The less force behind your attack, the less damage. Same with Rasengan. The less force behind Rasengan, the less damage it'll do.

Nope im done with this force argument its making zero since at all if a wrecking ball is sword at me standing still in whacks me to pierces if im teleported on to the wrecking ball im still whacked to pieces so if thats what your getting at you still die its irrelevant.

Then there's the fact that if he could've instantaneously blitzed Kaguya both times, he would've done so. If he could instantaneously blitz Naruto, he would've. But he didn't, because he can't. Your inability to read the Manga won't change that.

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Sasuke trying a new attempt at using his jutsu does not mean the way he used it against Madara a different opponent does not work and he only used it that way when he 1 fully juiced on Chakra hence why he used his foot speed to blitz Madara and why he warped Kaguya between them before striking but are you denying that he could have told Naruto to aim at him the same way he did Madara then attack Kaguya that it would have failed? Also because a tech failed once does not mean it will fail again also Kaguya only countered his ameno under circumstances where Minato does not have

1. She switched to the ice dimension instantly which froze them making their movement stop all together some Minato cannot do

2. He was in the slow dimension the moment he came near her she went to a normal dimension phucking up his velocity something Minato cannot do as well.

Kaguya does not help your case at all in the fact that we never saw Sasuke use Ameno like he did against Madara on her helps my cause even more child. He blitz Naruto right after Naruto Made all his clones clocking him in the head he also blitzed him with that chidori Naruto got hit if Sasuke was really going for the kill he would not have used a chidori to do so when a perfect susanoo blade could have bisected him in the same way. Sasuke swamped his place his blade stabbing Madara a blade has no striking speed so how did it stab Madara because it was swamped with Sasuke at the moment of impact making no striking speed necessary.

Keep em' coming. Just keep the dumb shit coming.

I already told you about that word dumb after reading these stupid ass post.

I get every word you are saying. It's just among the stupidest things I've read this week. Smh.

Vice versa except this is the dumbest shit iv ever heard.

Sasuke were to literally teleport his attack into Minato. He can wait as long as he pleases, but as long as he's teleporting the target before his strike reaches it's position, the target has the chance to evade, especially when they are faster with the ability to teleport with a thought.

Sasuke can teleport his attack into Minato what cant you understand? But thats the point Sasuke would only teleport his oppoent to the moment his attack reachs perfect position to be effective he did it perfect against Madara he does it better against Minato him being an adult now knows how to work amenotejikara better im not seeing how this is a counter to my post but okay as long as were on the same page with how Sasuke warping ability works im good.

Countered. Thoroughly.

Funny thing is i just countered the shit out of this post hmmmmmm.

There is a difference. I can name quite a few Sasuke fans who don't vigorously wank off to him like you do.

Wank like i do what? (Narutobase logic) If person A has a favorite character in they support them in a thread thats wank no its not wank the only wanker is you overrating abilities like Sage mode the the kurama avatar but you'll get enough of that shortly im about proceed to flame the rest of your post.

Where is the proof for the bold? Oh wait, you don't have it, just like with the rest of your claims. Lmao. Get this shit out of my face.

Everytime i see say where is the proof i laugh because i know its your defensive tactic when you cannot counter something my proof is 17 year old Sasuke would easily push EMS Madara without kurama ofc to high diff. The last Sasuke no Hagoromo chakra of course would defeat Madara by a small margin giving the fact how much his chidori grew compared to vote we scale that to what his ps could do. Adult Sasuke would grow even more considering he grew that much in 3 years in did not enter his prime so Adult Sasuke without Hagoromo chakra is basically a stronger combination of EMS Madara EMS Sasuke & Nagato with Bushin thats stomps EMS Madara alone my friend stay salty.

I've replied to this shit argument too many times already. Read above. All that needs to be said here. He canonically failed twice against Kaguya and Naruto once. Stop trying to give Sasuke the ability to perform better than he did in the Manga by making up horseshit like "He could've blitzed Kaguya if he wanted to, he just didn't feel like it". Ignoring all the flawed logic, that's essentially what your argument boils down to. Weak. As. Hell.

The bold is what iv been saying this whole post trust me. and iv replied to this to many times you read above i hope you learn something this time around these walls of post are getting longer and longer because of your ignorance to accept what Sasuke can and cannot do. I never said he could have blitz Her i even gave reason to why she made it useless read above boy. Ignoring what flawed logic the only logic that is flawed here is your stop with the insults it makes you look mad as hell lmao.

The bold is irrelevant since I didn't compare Kaguya to Minato.

Yes you did i bring up the quote.

Never said that getting your line of sight makes it hard to block. L2Read. I said that being occupied with a Katon is what makes it harder to counter attack. Whether or not Naruto can tank Katon is completely irrelevant since he decided to actively counter it with a chakra arm, which will make it harder for him to react to Sasuke's incoming attack, which is my point. Stop mentioning irrelevant shit.

You did not have to say you we're heavily implying it. Naruto was not really being occupied with an attack he blocked with a single chakra hand and as far as im concered he would not have took damage from a simple chidori which he did not because we know if Sasuke would have rushed him with chidori he could have used the same size chakra hand to block it but why could he not do that with his other hand that was not occupied? Simple answer is simple he was blitz stop trying to make excuses you duck.

Sensing him doesn't help your case, at all. It doesn't prove that Sasuke blitzed him, nor does it prove that the fireball had no factor in Sasuke even getting as far as he did. Why are you still mentioning Sage Mode Naruto feats? Smh. Ridiculous. SM Naruto=Base Naruto on steroids. BSM Naruto=BM Naruto on steroids. One is obviously stronger than the other.

I already said explained and shitted on this fireball argument you keep insisting on putting up and no it had no effect on how sasuke got that far read above chump. I only mention sage mode to counter your shitty argument about him not sensing Sasuke have you forgotten go back and re read your own post before jumping to conclusions.

Bold ends this part of the argument, since you just said that he reacted, which is my point.

Turning around is not reaction when the blitzing is coming from Behind Madara turned around

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Yet was still blitz shitless.

He blocked. Clear as day. If he didn't block his arm wouldn't be up and he would've been hit right in the chest, which he wasn't. Him being thrown backwards is because his block was poor and the force behind the attack was too much, which goes back into his poor guard.

Clear as day hell no we see his arm dangling near his chest and we call that a block? no more like a block attempt

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denying logic is not a strong suit for you kid.

No, it's not. Makes zero sense. Why would it be BSM vs. EMS Sasuke w/ Ameno when RSM and Rikudo Sasuke downscale to BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke? The lack of Sage Sensing is irrelevant when

It does make sense because they dont downscale to BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

Sasuke's speed isn't being buffed by any of Hagoromo's chakra either.
BM Naruto can still sense chakra, but not as good as Sage Mode.

Sasuke speed will not need to buffed when Naruto's speed is not buffed by it either. Bijuu mode Naruto chakra sensing is better than sage modes, Sage mode can sense more than chakra as it was able to sense everybody in the war and actually see how the fights we're going down but Bijuu mode has it owns perks with sensing negative emotions.

At best, Sasuke would be able to edge him out a bit due to the lack of Sage Sensing, but give BM Naruto Sage Sensing and he'd easily react to that attack from EMS Sasuke considering once again, they downscale to BM and EMS. Not BSM. Then there's the fact that BSM Minato>BM Naruto in reaction speed.

You already countered the argument of him being downscaled to bijuu mode Naruto instead of bsm naruto so why do you keep bring that up and sensing is only good when your body has the physical speed to do so and it would not be to him dodging sasuke's striking speed because as i told you he can warp on to his attack making it useless even if your faster than Sasuke himself. Its a fact now? now not even close Minato gets no transformation when his avatar comes out thus no more power from his previous state except a bijuu mode sage mode edges that out and if it does puts it above its not that much above to claim its fact anyways.

When do you see Naruto standing still and gathering Nature Energy to enter RSM?

Urmm i hope those scans we're wrong because they did not prove a thing.

He enters it without needing to gather Nature Energy. Hagoromo's Senjutsu was given to him, why would he need to gather it from the atmosphere? Better yet, why would Hagoromo's Senjutsu be in the atmosphere in the first place? The only time he ever gathers Nature Energy again is when he's forming his final two RS against Sasuke at VoTE, but that has nothing to do with him entering RSM.

What this makes no sense i hope your not implying he does not need nature energy from earth to use Hagoromo's senjutsu? Hagoromo's senjutsu would be they're because he got his own Nature energy from the earth when he was alive so this is moot. Also if it was just Hagoromo's senjutsu why does Naruto still have the signature sage mode of the frog eye?

Lmao. Stop making excuses. Tobirama said what he said because it would happen if they had jumped behind him again at that moment in time. The only reason they survived is because Naruto and Minato were in Kurama Mode so Kurama could ward off Obito's attack. Not to mention them getting hurt isn't the point. The point is, Tobirama knows that Obito would be able to react to their next attack, meaning that they did not hit him instantaneously.

Tobirama saying that had nothing to do at that moment in time he knew whipping the chakra hands in the way was a counter which it was. Really that was the only reason they survived? the avatars took 0 zero damage furthermore they thought they have a chance to land another blow because of the Kurama avatar power because Naruto even resorts to a bijuu dama after they realize a rasengan is not stronge enough to cut it.

Minato tagged Obito on his neck or his back during their fight.
Then teleported to his front side and stabbed him with a KunaiSo no, he can teleport wherever he pleases. Smh. Come on now.

That is Minato's ftg not Tobirama's they even a different sealing formulas and Minato ftg has been describe to be much more versitile than Tobirama's on numerous occasions nice try is not really a nice try.

Obito knowing what's coming doesn't change anything unless he prepared his chakra arms before Minato and Naruto and Tobirama attacked, but that's not what happened.

He clearly did prepare his chakra hands before the attack.

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They teleported, and he reacted with chakra arms. His chakra arms were not up before that strike, nor were they up when Tobirama had teleported the duo, so tell me more about Obito's chakra arms move faster than instantaneous.

They clearly were that why in the picture below you see obito's chakra hands blow up like a balloon in that scan you dumbass.

Lmao. Him being able to sense is irrelevant when he doesn't know when they'll use Hiraishin. He only knows that they've used it once he feels their presence behind him. Thus it's a surprise attack. Then there's the fact that the Amaterasu business was him giving zero shits about what they were doing since they can't hurt him. The only time he put his guard up is when Tobirama clearly stated that he put his guard up.

No him being able to sense means alot especially since the fact he knew Sasuke was going to use amaterasu because he sensed chakra build up in his left eye which is his amaterasu eye

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He would have easily since the amount of chakra to build up for an ftg thus countered it but why did'nt he because he could not simple as that. Him not putting his guard up means nothing especially since he blocked a much more useless attack like gamaken spit.

@underlined: What are you talking about?

Im talking about a surprise attack being useless to top tier sensors dont play dumb.

Lmao. There is nothing different besides the fact that one person couldn't react, and the other could.

Nope the difference is top tier sensors cannot be caught off by surprise attacks and he could attack obito at the moment of impact because he had him marked while Madara was not marked counter that smart ass.

What in the hell are you talking about? Those 2 scenarios are completely different. Madara pretty much reacted to Tobirama dashing at him from behind since Tobirama teleported on the Mazo's head, and then dashed at him. We are talking about Naruto teleporting right to Obito's location and striking him with Rasengan. You'd be a fool to try and argue that he got blitzed because he couldn't react when he already showed the reaction speed to react to the SAME EXACT ATTACK, but faster and larger.

Tobirama clearly says

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meaning ftg what was dodge was his striking speed not him dashing into an attack whats even more dumb is that in the next panel he dodged Tobirama again (Striking speed)

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so that is was him dashing at him nonsense needs to be dropped. No you'd be a fool the difference where he blocked it and when he had his chakra hands on his back in the other he did not thus he got blitz. The attack was larger but how in the world was it faster? ohh i guess you thought that would slip right past me nope it will not instant = instant.

Doesn't really change anything. Obito already showed that he can react to Hiraishin attacks from BM Naruto and BM Minato let alone SM Naruto. And Tobirama already stated that he'd be able to react later on.

Already countered. What i really want to know is how does this help Minato this argument has less to do with Minato and more to do with you ignoring the obvious.

Does that change the fact that he can react

Not reacting throwing up a defense before an attack can be used is not reaction.

No.

Yassssssss

What you said above is basically "Obito used chakra arms before they used Hiraishin".
Do Manga Panels show this?

They do and ill already explained this.

No. Not even one bit. So all you are doing is providing evidence that Obito can react to the "so called instant" Hiraishin blitz. So either you think Obito's reactions are faster than instantaneous movement, and that his attacks move faster than instant too, which would also mean that you think Kurama moves faster than instant since he slapped away Obito's chakra arms.

Lawd quit trying to play this dumb game not only have i killed this post to death why are you still bringing this shit up lord its annoying to have to repeat myself over in over.

Don't know the English term, but I know it's long as hell. Just Google it. Not that serious.

No ***** your the one using the word you google it for me or post a scan.

Read above. Same points I've addressed literally a quote above.

This should be my slogan on this post/thread.

This statement is my whole point. Smh.

No your shitty point was giving all the credit to Sage mode which had a very little to do with it proof to me that BM naruto could not track those moves huh?

Then like I said, the difference isn't that small. It's really that simple.

The difference is big you cannot compare to 3 tails to the 4 tails furthermore that similar to the distance between sage mode so your point still holds zero ground. the rest was insults to make your post look longer yawn. What point did i not adress huh?

Being compared to Minato is irrelevant considering KCM Naruto was being compared to that same Minato. So go on, keep on proving my point. That there is no extremely large difference that'd benefit your point here.

Considering how slow base Naruto is compared to Minato there is a difference not seeing how id prove your point at all.

It being Kurama+Naruto=Big Jump in power is true, because

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. Once again, does not address speed. Stop trying to attribute the giant jump in power between Naruto's cloaks w/o BM even being a factor.

What speed did i not address because i said that Naruto KM<<<< Naruto BM in terms of speed and it would go likely the same for Minato. KM Minato = KM Naruto = BM Minato <<<< BM Naruto in terms of speed where as SM added to his kmc would result into the same Minato KM <<<< BSM Minato speed wise so i actually did shit on your speed argument.

Smh. Regardless of any of this, your strategy doesn't work since Sasuke has to switch with the weapon in question, then that weapon attacks the opponent. Madara's scenario is completely irrelevant here since he was charging at Sasuke, which only made it harder to notice the sword attacking him, or are you going to tell me that it was warped into his chest? Lmao. Not to mention the Kunai, sword and Sasuke will all be in the same area, he can't swap with them regardless.

If Sasuke is going for that strategy why would he leave his sword right next to him makes 0 sense you fool. Madara scenario is far from irrelevant rather he was chasing sasuke or not you act as if he does not have the reaction to stop if the sword would have appeared right in front of him your talking about Madara a juubi jin making a dumb mistake like that your excuse of him not paying attention was garbage, no the sword was warped right into him or atleast at the precise time (To close for him to dodge) and if a juubi jin could not react Minato gets his face daggered up.

The post makes perfect sense. You just don't/can't understand it, even though it's simple logic.

no i cant understand because the logic was shitty and irrelevant.

Never said that he can't mentally react to Juubito. I said that he was only able to do so because he was tracking him with Sharingan. I hope you aren't implying that tracking someone once is enough to let you react to them regardless of whether or not you use Sharingan again.

You did infact say that need i bring up the scans? i was impying tracking is = of reacting to them with the sharingan and yes you would need it be to activated to do so

He displayed the speed to force Juubito to block with a Senjutsu Kyuubi Chakra Enhanced Susanoo. Something that strikes far faster than he does with his own body. So why in the world are you even mentioning this?

Mentioning is my point that that form of Susanoo would not be able to compare to his adult form and if it could force a juubi jin to block Minato gets chopped up added with the fact he has ameno its lights out for Minato.

Doesn't matter if they took more damage. If Naruto's tail was cut, you'd see what you saw against the Juubi, but you didn't.

Moot to bring this up when i already conceded to the argument.

Doesn't have jack to do with external abilities such as Raikiri. So now you are attributing a black Rikudo Raikiri with Kamui's abilities to having both MS? Lord, when will you stop grasping at straws.

Being black was apart of the rikudou chakra no doubt but because sasuke had that but you harped on that like my post had anything to do with the raikiri being black. What do kamui abilities have to do with both MS? you cannot be this dumb when apart neither can dodge a flying gudo dama close together its dodges easily now if both eyes where in one socket you get the full experience of the jutsu we have no idea what kamui can do when both eyes are together you jumping to ooh its Hagoromo chakra is irrelevant.

Irrelevant. Kakashi stated the only reason he could do that was Rikudo's power. Manga Fact.

Irrelevant because you act as if Kakashi had experienced what he could not do without rikudo's chakra while having both sharingans. Jumping to conclusions he just said with Hagoromo's chakra his eyes are stronger he clearly was talking about him using perfect susanoo rather then a standard ms susanoo which is much more logical then him talking about kamui.

Please read above and stop making petty excuses.

No an excuse you cannot even give him credit he has never had susanoo so your failing to address my point ill accept it as a you conceding.

LMFAO. You stay making petty excuses. Naruto only had tiny pieces of the Bijuu's chakra. They are completely irrelevant. What are you even talking about? Naruto made 4-5 clones when he was distributing his chakra out to the other shinobi.

If it was so tiny how come he was able to use their abilities? your trying to call out relevance is irrelevant.

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Naruto only made 3 clones now shut your dumbass up furthermore you still did not counter my post whats so hard about admitting defeat? and making 3 clones does not = Making a Kurama avatar so i still defeated you in this regard of Hagoromo's chakra.

Still making excuses huh?

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No Gudo Dama here. He used BDFRS w/o a Gudo Dama. So what excuse are you going to come up with this time?

No excuse it had his ashura avatar out they're so he did not need to make use a gudo dama since Kurama himself could make the bijuu dama all Naruto had to do was add the wind nature furthermore this scan does not discount my own especially since Kurama made the bijuu dama core for the FRS.

Both are his Mangekyo techniques. Being able to combine them is completely irrelevant to him being able to combine chidori and PS. Now. When Adult Sasuke w/o Hagoromo's chakra shows any of Hagoromo buffed Sasuke's feats, please get at me. Until then, stop giving Sasuke feats you and I both know that he can't perform.

I just shitted on your Hagoromo's chakra makes you master at combinations argument yet your still saying this them being both Ms techs are irrelevant since Madara was shown to use katon while in susanoo etc. and Sasuke was shown to hold enton in his hand so why would he not be able to hold that same enton while using chidori a non ms tech? You know i cannot give you feats of non feat ful character show me a scan of Kurama letting Minato use his bsm or minato using a bijuu dama? shit sound stupid right.

Tellin it how it is pal.

No thats your anger.

You didn't counter shit. You said what you think it'd downscale to, even though that makes no sense, and provided no reasoning for it besides "Hurr Naruto can sense". Lmao. Go learn how to actually address someone's statements and get back to me.

Just bring your argument gotdam why must you talk shit in every post shit is annoying.

Rikudo Naruto=Rikudo Sasuke
Subtract the Rikudo power.
Naruto=Sasuke
Naruto has no Senjutsu left over so stop mentioning BSM Naruto.

Wrong Rikudou Naruto > Sasuke if no bijuu is they're if the senjutsu is only rikudou's why does Naruto still has HIS OWN sage mode eyes? furthermore irrelevant because RSM is to BSM as EMS Sasuke would be to EMS Sasuke Hagoromo boost minus the rinnegan techs fail argument fails.

BSM Minato being faster than BM Naruto is fact. Naruto getting a BM boost is completely irrelevant when SM is enough to let him react to Juubito when before he was getting blitzed with no reaction. Don't give a shit about BM being faster than KCM when the sensing is the reason he was able to react. The rest of that sentence is you crying about how Sage Mode doesn't give a boost even though it's Manga fact that it does. Something you seem to love denying, because you and I both know that the only way Sasuke stomps or even wins is if you ignore Manga Fact.

No its not a fact but ill let you live with the nonsense. No his sage mode was not enough if it was he would not have bothered with using bijuu mode that alone kills your dumb one sided ass post and can you prove bijuu mode naruto would be getting blitz no you cannot so shut yo ass up. Sensing does not = reaction what type of logic is that especially when Bijuu mode have a much better sensing Negative emotions if you lack the physical movements to dodge something sensing because useless and while in his km mode he lack the physical movement to react but not when we're talking about his bijuu mode. No one ever questioned sage mode giving you a boost i only questioned how large the boost was you claiming that the boost is a juubi jin difference maker is a joke and no one is crying im just feed up on how dumb you are and keep trying to pass this nonsense off as logic. Do not inclued me in your nonsense does not need to deny manga fact to counter your dumbass.

Never said he didn't get faster. Learn how to read child. I said there is no proof that he's faster than BSM Minato, or BM Naruto or BSM Naruto. That simple. Crying about "adult Sasuke" isn't going to change the fact that you have no evidence. So please get at me when you have evidence. That simple.

I'v been giving you evidence all got damn thread you just choose to not accept it matter of fact where is your evidence he's not faster than those people? got none o i knew.

When you can actually prove that this will happen, come get me. We make claims and then we back them up.

Um it takes far less the mountain buster to set off i bijuu dama that is enough proof.

How about you try proving the shit you spew retard. Lmao. This is getting pretty annoying. Sasuke's Susanoo has no insane speed feat that'd let it dodge a Flash Bijuu Dama. When you can provide them, I'll be here. Until then, you have no point.

Sasuke was able to fly so high he reached Madara who was this high

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then flew down in 2 single chapters to protect Naruto with divide that distance by 1/4 off the ground and estimate that his susanoo should at least be 75% slower than rinnegan Sasuke he dodges any bijuu dama with utter ease.

Except Sasuke's PS isn't strong enough to bisect a Sage Kurama Avatar when multiple hits to BM Naruto's tail wouldn't be enough to even damage it.

Irrelevant to compare Teen Sasuke susanoo damage to what adult Sasuke's would be so this logic stinks and holds no water. But i know for certain they would be stronger than Obito's throw which destroyed the whole avatar the tails are Kurama's stronger parts not the neck and face which gets butchered and with a chidori streaming on his blade is far worst how about stop denying logic and start countering it.

If he evades with Ameno, then Minato simply fires another one, but this time he doesn't evade since his cooldown screws him over. Inb4 "Ameno has no cooldown" or some BS like that.

No one was going to say anything about ameno's cool down but i will say he can use to Ameno's im succession with each other and even if he cant he uses ameno to warp higher in the air giving him more then enough time to dodge the next or he excutes Minato & Kurama with Rinnegan Genjutsu and yes he can catch them Kurama not only has eyes

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clearly connected to his optic nerve as its what kurama use to see and once bm kurama was yanked away from Naruto he lost the kurama within himself meaning they're the same Sasuke has shown to cacth multiply opponents at the same time without eye contact genjutsu ruins Minato.

Smh. That's not flash Bijuu Dama.

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Yes it is a flash bijuu dama is not actually a thing i hope you know that only by manga panda translations anyways the only difference in the one you showed was the cut off screen making them look like they hit at the sametime.

That's flash Bijuu Dama. Why are you making up Manga facts? Smh. Then there's the fact that it doesn't take a genius to realize that Naruto fired that slow on purpose, considering he's fired larger and smaller BD much faster than that.

When has naruto fired a larger bijuu dama faster than that hell that was much larger than gyuki and much larger than the faster bijuu dama which are barrages no one is twisting your so called manga facts i really hate when people say that lel.

Pretty sure everyone who is reading this pile of garbage you call a post is waiting for you to do this very thing.

Still chit talking huh will it ever end?

Butthurt that I school you every trip? Lmao.

But didnt i just beat you?

Compare SM Naruto to Base Naruto. Compare Naruto getting blitzed to Naruto tracking Juubito.

So were just forgetting about bijuu mode naruto huh? Anything to help your cause right i guess that's how it is nowadays.

Smh. You've only proved that he's gotten stronger. You haven't proved that he's gotten stronger than Madara. Bold is speculation with a weak basis. I'm waiting for evidence.

I gave you evidence its up to you rather you accept it or not no one is rushing you take your time. please explain to me what a weak basis because i know you have no idea what it means you phucking clown.

As long as it's within his 8 minute time limit, he can. Unless you are going to tell me that 3 BD>Kurama's chakra.

They're bigger so more taxing than a bijuu dama barrage so im going to assume he cant since your zero evidence of him doing so. Also using shira tensei to push one back into the other causes an explosion to blow up Minato's face

Aready addressed. Why the hell would he use Bansho Tennin on a Bijuu Dama? That'd pull it towards him genius. Smh.

you know i meant shira tensei.

Never mentionned a Flash Bijuu Dama Barrage.

Firing Multi Bijuu damas is a barrage you did not have to mention you fanfics lead you into implying it dumbass.

You didn't counter anything.

countered everything you just choose to not listen and type a whole bunch of garbage.

This is what you do. You take posts from literally 2 years ago, and try to use them against me as if I haven't changed my mind in the last 2 years due to new feats. Then you cry like a bitch about how I'm inconisent. Grow up kid. It's getting pretty annoying having some annoying guy on the site trying his hardest to:

No i took a post from after the manga end then you deny your shit. Rest is worthless insults that does nothing!.

Smh. Moron. What's funny is that half of those times your illiterate ass twists the words I'm saying. Don't cry about it like it isn't true.

your post literally could have ended yet you insisted on all these insults lol for what though.

Crater wasn't as deep as EE, but far wider. Not like I give two shits how big it is anyway. It wrecked your precious Sasuke's Boosted susanoo, which is on par with PS, and it wrecked Naruto's Avatar, something Sasuke couldn't do at VoTE. Downscale that and you get BIJUU MODE NARUTO WITH NO SENJUTSU AND SASUKE WITH NO RIKUDO CHAKRA. Stop saying stupid shit like this:

You even mention that Madara's Perfect susanoo was stronger than that susanoo now they're on par yeah no this is what i mean by your inconsistent posted now get anger because i demand it. You keep talking about Sasuke could not do at vote yet Naruto failed to destroy his susanoo your logic is not helping you. Still saying Naruto with no senjutsu what a joke this argument has been bodybagged and thrown over a bridge.

When Naruto's previous Sage Mode is irrelevant when he does not take in that energy after gaining RSM. Lmao. I'm probably talking to someone with an IQ of 90 or below here.

Explain him still having his sage mode eyes that ge gets from the frogs? after you can do that then maybe ill concede but untill then shut up and listen while i speak you don't even know your own IQ furthermore IQ testing is not accurate at all.

If Sasuke is fighting while flying, how the actual hell is he going to see any Kunai to burn up with Enton? Lmao. Once again, you sound dumb. PS Slash destroys the landscape, but it's not focused enough to do shit to hand sized Kunai. Same reason why Mokuton and pieces of earth were left intact after it's slash. Not to mention this was Madara's, and no one here has proved that Sasuke's PS is as strong as Madara's, you've only proved that it's stronger. Not to mention he had Hagoromo's chakra after the War Arc.

Lawd still talking about Sasuke susanoo not being as strong as Madara's when he perfect susanoo he used to cover Naruto Avatar is that strong slap your phucking self. Sasuke can see things small as cells with 3 tomoe let alone a ems

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and did you not read when i said his clones will roast the kunai? It does not need to be focused at all the kunai go flying out the ground buried under ruble or vaporized by Minato's useless bijuu dama's or Chibaku tensei. Having Hagoromo chakra after the war arc does not speed up your growth he was still getting stronger even as the vote fight was in progess so moot point is moot.

Teen Sasuke's Susanoo couldn't do shit.

To who in what his susanoo before perfect susanoo already shown equal durability to BSM Kurama.

Rikudo Sasuke's Susanoo couldn't do shit.

But Naruto could No.

Downscaling proves that Sasuke's Susanoo can't do shit, along with your lack of evidence that his Susanoo got strong enough to do anything you are claiming it can do here, when this is how strong it was while Sasuke was a teen.

It does even the susanoo he used the slash Obito's nonuboku blade is enough to erase Kurama's face. He grew to strong he reached his prime that simple give me proof that he has not got that strong the logic is shitty and is not going to bail you out try again.

PS tho. Get me proof that he went from that to this

That is not perfect susanoo dumbass. only female rolls their eyes but.....

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the second scan is his perfect susanoo its looks just like Madara's dont it yup.

Then we can talk about him reaching the level above Madara's. Cause he'd need to be above Madara if he wanted to beat BSM Minato.

He reached Madara level against Juubito as adult he breezed right passed as he breezes through this matchup.

Your post are 80% about every other person and how they countered Sasuke attack instead of this fodder Minato 10% shit talking 5% denial and 5% on how Minato actually stands a chance do not reply to me unless you actually prove to me how minato wins.

 

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and holy legendary super saiyan broly, all of this over a hypothetical battle?







P.S sasuke can't use PS without Naruto or Hogoromo's chakra

 

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Yes you did say that dont try to deny it now since i shitted on your post but its cool. I'v been giving you this proof since my first reply to you yet the same proof argument keeps coming up lawd, BSM Naruto > BSM Minato and speed we can fabricate all day on how long how Naruto got faster with his kurama modes and how base Minato > Base naruto in terms of speed yet @ war arc they're we're evenly matched Minato had no boost during his bijuu mode powerup thus he stayed the same speed im obviously excluding the avatar, meaning BSM minato speed is equal to KM Naruto + Sage mode which is probably not faster than BM naruto alone, adult Naruto > KSM Naruto in a foot face how i know because we saw Sasuke chidori jump heights from VOTE to the last meaning his overall abilities in a 3 year time spam would have increase then you go 15 years later where he enters his prime the speed is tiers above his war arc speed which keep up with Minato. Thats my proof now we move past you constantly saying the proof because i just gave you solid facts if you deny it this time im done.

Bold is based on literally nothing. There is no scan that shows this massive speed boost BM gets, nor would this speed boost match the sensing and precognitive abilities that Sage Mode gives. There was a whole separate debate about this, and no one had a scan showing that BM Naruto>>>KCM Naruto in speed. Stop making shitty claims without backing them up. That's why your posts are piss poor.


What's funny is that your dumbass doesn't even what "facts" are. Let me sum up your shit argument. You claimed that Base Adult Naruto>KCSM Naruto in foot speed based on an increase in one of his jutsu? Dafuq? Why are you trying to take the exact amount Sasuke's Chidori jumped and apply it to his ****ing speed? That makes zero sense whatsoever. Then you say "10" years later (were the hell are you getting 15 from? Lmao) it should be faster, even though you literally have no proof of anything you are saying. Fact is not speculation. Especially when you are using jutsu strength to determine a boost in speed.

No it indeed was your post and how would i confuse them anyways you agreed that Sasuke counter attacking Juubito's strike is atleast as quick as when Naruto dodged Ei's Punch to further add that Naruto could not dodge the attack himself to also add Sasuke was ways away from Naruto & Juubito and intercepted the attack while both looked like they have not moved in inch

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that far surpasses any fanfic shunshin you can come up with to support kmc Minato. What has KM Minato or Naruto reacted to tha suggest Sasuke is leagues below it? yes ill be waiting for it in your next reply. Base Minato being faster than base Naruto is irrelevant because we all know Naruto clearly had the bigger boost in the speed department when concerning their Kurama forms since Km naruto was equal to km Minato speed wise through the whole war your opinion means little when the manga already disagrees.

Wow. You and your best friend are probably the dumbest nigas in this whole forum. That post said "KMC Naruto". The only one who keeps incorrectly typing "KMC Naruto" is your dumbass. I forgot to put quotation marks around your post, that's why it appeared to be in my post. Smh.

Lmao. Do you know why Naruto couldn't dodge? Because he was in mid air. You dumb? Did you really just attempt to use that as some kind of evidence? Lmfao. So Sasuke>Naruto's speed while off his feet in the air. Amazing feat. Obito's hand is in the same damn position because he doesn't need to move his hand to attack because his Gudo Dama extends, not his hand. Stop grasping at straws and learn how to interpret the damn Manga. Sasuke intercepted Juubito's stick, that Hiruzen reacted to. Is it a great feat? Yes, considering he reacted just as fast as Minato. Does that mean he has a better Shunshin than Minato? No. Lmfao. Sasuke wankers kill me nowadays.

Fuck you even talking about? Do even know how long I've been saying that KCM Naruto and KCM Minato were around the same speed tier? Smh. Long before this argument pal, so what the hell are you even trying to prove? KCM Naruto being equal with KCM Minato only proves my point. That Minato w/ Sage Mode>Naruto when it comes to reaction speed. Inb4 "BM massive fanfictional boost".

They're about equal or Sasuke's is faster it tips the scale as much faster aswell.

So first you say that you don't think that, when I call you out on it, now you say you do? Smh. And this kid calls me inconsistent. Anyway, Juubito's stick is not as fast as Ay, so Sasuke outspeeding it doesn't mean shit. Do me a favor and keep the wank to yourself.

KM naruto dodging Raikage does not means he's faster

1. That's what the whole encounter was about. Who was faster.

2. That's exactly what it means. Ay came at him, he Shunshin'd away a good 10 meters away from Ay, which requires him to outspeed him since Ay was literally in his face.

im pretty sure Ei could crush Itachi and CQC even if he had clones and Itachi not wanting to fight him

Yes guys, because punching and kicking in close combat somehow has anything to do with Shunshin speed. Lol. Tell me another joke.

you cannot compare the two Naruto's shunshin was his best speed feat and did not do anything close to it after to say he's faster than E and im pretty sure E can dodge his own punch aswell.

Why do all Sasuke tards grasp at the same straw? KCM Naruto dodged Ay, thus he is faster. What he did or didn't do afterwards is completely irrelevant to me since he has the feat of dodging Ay, and your inability to read the Manga isn't going to change that. Ay being able to dodge Naruto's punch is irrelevant to me. Naruto already proved himself to be faster than Ay, so you are gonna have to deal with it.

What's funnier is that Ay being faster than Naruto or not means nothing.

And if that was the case i guess Sasuke is faster than Ei because he has shown reaction feats to someone much faster than the Raikage so this argument does not help you at all.

My argument has jack shit to do with Ay pal. Lol. Sasuke's reaction speed>Ay's. Ay's Shunshin>>Sasuke's.

Him reacting is irrelevant Not only was the distance between him and Obito far smaller the the distance between Naruto and Juubito Sasuke was behind them both and that is irrelevant because if Obito could guide gudo damas through his feet he would have grazed Half of Minato's body apart similar to Hiruzen does that mean they're equal in speed absolutely not. You claim he cannot blitz Hiurzen but didnt he already blitz people far faster than Hiruzen Tobirama and Hashirama with gudo dama both the times he was in movement flight which is faster then foot speed. so your point becomes moot unless your saying he faster than Tobirama which is a bold face lie.

You do know that Hiruzen reacting from a smaller distance only helps me right? The closer the attack, the harder it is to dodge it. How does Obito manipulating Gudo Dama with his feet have anything to do with anything here? Grazed half of Hiruzen? Dafuq are you even talking about? Minato blocked Juubito's foot attack, not to mention the distance and situations are different.

-Hiruzen was attacked with a Gudo Dama stick.
-Minato was attacked by Juubito's own strike.

And where did I state that he can't blitz Hiruzen? Smh. Please stop trying to make irrelevant ass sub arguments by misinterpreting my post. I said he DIDN'T blitz Hiruzen there. Never said that Juubito at full speed can't blitz Hiruzen. Keep the bullshit coming though pal.

Sasuke got blitz by Juubito right in his face

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Sasuke had already reacted to juubito in the same chapter yet he was getting blitz around? child stop. It took senjutsu for him to react how does that even make sense he was not in contact with the senjutsu himself it was his susanoo and senjutsu does not increase the speed at which he could see with his eyes so your post is irrelevant.

Tobirama and Hashirama are irrelevant. Why are you even mentioning them? Show me where Sasuke reacted to Juubito's Shunshin/Flight speed in that chapter? Because I can sit here and read that shit to you and we'll come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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He reacted to the Gudo Dama. Juubito only moved his hand upwards to fire said Gudo Dama. Smh.

L2Read kid. I said that it took a SENJUTSU SUSANOO to let him react physically in any way. Read before you post. This whole post only shows me that you are either too dumb to understand simple words from the English language, or it shows that you've ignored the whole post cause you have no real counter. The speed his eyes can see at is irrelevant. If his body is not fast enough to react, he doesn't react regardless of what his eyes can see. It's that simple. Senjutsu Susanoo>>>>Sasuke when it comes to striking speed.

Zero proof he would fair any better? you cannot be serious this no proof argument is so lame its making me hurl my proof is that 17 year old Sasuke does not or would not = Adult Sasuke in anyway making him much faster with better reaction time.

That's not proof clown. That's proof Adult Sasuke is faster, not that Adult Sasuke is fast enough.

Who cares if with Kurama and sm > Him without it.

Stop trying to use Minato's performance to say he's inferior to Sasuke when this is KCSM Minato, not KCM Minato.

and how is that relevant Minato got his ass whopped just like Sasuke did and he had Kurama so i dont even know how the last part of your post made since.

Learn how to fucking read please. "Minato w/ Kurama AND SAGE MODE".

Also when did Minato react to Obito? he was getting teleported into Obito and was still failing to do shit that far worst then what happened to Sasuke. Have you forgotten the main argument of Minato dominating Sasuke in all other ares? how does any of this proves he dominates Sasuke in all other areas considering Sasuke actually reacted to Juubito and Minato did not and Juubito is far faster than them both so.. this helps your argument not one bit a waste of time to even bring it up.

When did I say that Minato reacted to Obito? Oh wait, never. Why are you even mentioning KCM Minato still? Are you really this stupid? Do you really have to be told multiple times that KCSM Minato>>KCM Minato in reaction speed? Minato getting clowned is completely irrelevant when a person on his speed tier with BSM was tracking Juubito.

No you need to know how its works Bijuu mode Naruto with the Avatar & sage mode speed shits on Kmc Naruto wtih no sage mode.

Which literally proves nothing, because we aren't talking about KCM Naruto or Minato. We are talking about KCSM Naruto. BSM Naruto's speed only shits on theirs because thet have Sage Mode amplifying their power.

What is sage mode impressive feats we take that and add it to his BM form which could probably react to Juubito

The fact that he canonically USED SAGE SENSING TO REACT TO JUUBITO. Then there's the fact that KCM Naruto was getting blitzed while BSM Naruto was able to react, once again, due to Sage Sensing.

anyways because he was faster than everyone who Juubito blitz Before (Sasuke Minato Tobirama) so they're is no denying it was more because he was in bm vs you giving all that credit to Sage mode which has shown poor feats concerning speed. Sage Mode enhances him all around even with his Kurama chakra because it enhances chakra aswell thats why a Senjutsu rasengan > a non senjutsu rasengan from the same Naruto your logic is terrible flawed bias ass phuck.

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Sage mode reaction is boost is not more than KM mode speed and reaction so its irrelevant and no one was comparing the sage modes because we all know Naruto's is superior.

What you are saying literally makes no sense. The stupidity in these posts is making my eyes bleed. How the hell does Naruto being faster than them in BM prove that Naruto reacted because of BM? Why are you using SM Naruto's feats as judgement of BSM Naruto's feats when BM Naruto>>>Base Naruto, thus BM Naruto w/ Sage Mode>>>Base Naruto w/ Sage Mode (SM Naruto) You are literally repeating shit I've already addressed. Why waste my time replying if you are going to say stuff that doesn't even make a fraction of sense? Naruto canonically had to use Sage Sensing to track Obito. Thus that is the reason why he was able to react. Not BM. You haven't even proven that BM>>>>>KCM like you claim. Show a scan or gtfo.

What the hell are you even talking about? Thanks for showing proof that Sage Mode enhances BM Naruto. You sound stupid as hell right now. Sage Mode not boosting more than KCM is completely irrelevant when we are talking about BOTH TOGETHER. I don't give a shit about SM Naruto not being as fast as KCM Naruto when I'm talking about BSM Naruto and BSM Minato. Your whole reply is idiotic and doesn't even make sense. Do you clowns read the shit you type before you post it? IQ of below 90 indeed.

Naruto reacted Nope he barely did that we take away Madara attacking Sai and its a solid blitz from sage mode Naruto and 3rd raikage went up against a base Naruto (Clone) and Naruto had alot of outside help Also did Raikage use a shunshin? absolutely not so untill we see Madara attacking the same Naruto without using a shunshin your post is shit.

You sound stupid as fuck.

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Madara hit Naruto then he went for Sai, so taking away Sai literally doesn't mean shit. Naruto reacted, so it's not a blitz. It's really that simple.

I call it like how i see it and if that above was you trying to prove the difference it is i just killed the argument come again thir.

The only thing you've killed is your credibility.

Nope i did not say that i said Sasuke chose to use ameno in a different way to attack Kaguya which was obviously due to plot but we can speculate on this all we want. You are using plot for an argument Kaguya dodged it in canon so she dodges it when infact the scans i showed you Kaguya or no one for the matter could dodge it so your using plot as heavy armor here.

Stop using plot as an excuse. It's really that simple.

I already know how it works stop denying Ameno's feats to help your argument furthermore you have yet to give a counter to Sasuke using Ameno in that way.

I've thoroughly addressed that horseshit.

No one repost your argument your was he warped in mid air then Naruto ran into him Mine was he warped directly on to Naruto's back to stop him like that two different arguments but ignorance can only see what it wants to i guess.

Nope. He warped behind Naruto and Naruto ran into him. Learn how to read the Manga.

You know how dumb you are if you warps behind someone so close that it looks like your touching them already that the striking speed requires less time meaning it gives your opponent less time to react against your attack thus their not dodging your post is dumb just like you. - sigh- you do realize the closer sasuke would be to Naruto the harder it would be for him to react right? so how in the phuck does your post make sense?Which is irrelevant to my point. As long you have to strike, the opponent has time to react. That simple. What the hell are you even talking about, Sasuke could be in Naruto's face, but if he has to **** his arm and strike, Naruto is easily going to react, even more so for a guy who can instantaneously teleport with a thought.

and no your not left with BM Naruto why because he's not the equal to RSM Naruto when facing EMS Sasuke so it would be BSM naruto but i already explained this so ill let you continue to sprout this nonsense about RSM Naruto minus the Hagoromo chakra = Bijuu mode Naruto.

I've explained this in detail. Only idiots wouldn't be able to understand it at this point.

Still talking about Bijuu sage mode being (Far) faster lord stop trying to exaggerate the power boost granted to the user by sage mode its not a good look it makes you look like you have no real argument to fall back on. and Sage mode Naruto reaction is not faster they both have their own sensing Negative emotions and sage sensing it only improves his physical movements his reaction would only get faster if we we're talking about base naruto who has no sensing abilities period. You claim your going to go with the canon yet im posting scans from the Manga which is canon why are you actively denying the fact he used amenotejikara in different ways from when he attacked Madara vs when he attacked Kaguya thats just denying logic plain in simple and its right in your face your willing to go that far to still lose in the end about time we get done with this debate im going to trash the the puny reputation you have left especially if i got you ignoring Manga scans left and right.

Naruto went from being blitzed to tracking Juubito. That's a massive boost. I'm waiting for you or anyone to prove that BM Naruto>>>>KCM Naruto.

1. Never said that SM Naruto reacts faster. Learn how to read.

2. If Negative emotions sensing is piss poor compared to Sage Sensing when it comes to precognitive abilities. Naruto had his negative emotions sensing yet he still got blitzed.

The rest is the same argument I've smashed a million times already. When you have scans of Naruto and Kaguya getting blitzed by Ameno, then we can talk about this fanficiton "Sasuke blitz all" argument you are pulling out of your ass.

That is not a reaction please stop with this you do know what react means right because it is not countering an attack before your opponent using his Jutsu. Why would he try to activate kamui you even said he did not care about getting hit by their attacks because he thought his gudo damas would take care of them furthermore why now would he use Kamui he could have used it when they first attack him to evade from being tagged with a seal he could not remove. Hiraishin attacks are instant when you already have a seal on your back because the object their warping to meaning they move to you instantly that simple. That is not a reaction at all if Sasuke was tagged with a ftg seal and Minato warped slashed his ass up but not killing then say's ill do it again out loud in Sasuke puts up susanoo before Minato uses ftg. Followed by Minato uses ftg now then running into the susanoo does that mean he reacted hell now he just put up a defense before action could be tooken to block the attack learn what reaction means fool or maybe you do know what it means buts playing works in your favor but no on me i sniff the bullchit out like a bloodhound and i call it where i smell it or see it this logic flying is not going to fly. Obito activated his chakra arms before the

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you can see in that scan his chakra arms are flared up then right below it we see the expansion of them once the rasengan hit it your logic would only make since if he had just now whipped on the chakra arms when the moment the warped into him not before Tobirama even stated he

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even naruto stated he shielded himself but why was that because he had already readied the chakra before hand Tobirama knew that in that scan you posted he knew this attack would fail not before of his reaction but because he knew they only had one way to turn and to prove why ameno would work even more image if they would have attacked him from the front Obito would have been hit right but if Obito knew the could attack from the front he would have covered his whole body meaning its less reaction and more of a preperation defense. Obito did activate his defense first he has his chakra arms up since they last attack him you can even see the flares in this

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meaning he indeed activate it first let say Madara has perfect susanoo on and someone can strike him instantly yet they cannot penetrate perfect susanoo did Madara react to instant? absolutely not he had his defense ready for the attack making it useless.

Oooh my god no one ever said Sasuke did not move his arm he warps into them or warps his opponent at the moment of impact making it no striking speed for his opponent to count on to react to his attacks is it that hard to understand gotdammit when did you become so stupid. Since he cant animate the manga like they do the anime what is that even suppose to mean child stop half your post is denying logic simple as that its only about 25 percent of a debate here they're is more insults then debate here.

Smh. You've literally repeated the same thing I've already addressed. Concession accepted.

i already adressed this quit playing dumb af or are you really this stupid striking at the moment of impact means there is no striking because Minato would just land on the attack vs him being teleporting than Sasuke trying to attack him what cant you get.

Same argument huh? Once again. Already addressed.

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Im sorry but i could have sworn their was a strike on multiple occasion

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case closed you phucking dumbass.

This doesn't erase any of the examples I've already posted. So thanks for wasting yet another section of this post.

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You wanna know the difference between all those scans you shown (Besides the Minato one) all was done with foot speed but absolutely none was done with teleportation except the Minato one and Minato warped to Obito at the moment of impact you know so his arm was already in the motion upward. But none could warp the opponent on to an attack that analogy was awful please reframe from using it again.

It being teleportation is irrelevant. Kishimoto didn't show any kind of striking speed, so by your shitty ass logic "There was no striking speed".

yes Chidori works by thrusting his opponents into the sky since when? Sasuke blitz Madara with his foot speed and we did see the slash what are you even talking about. If your talking about when he warped them into his attack its because not only is chidori a piercing attack it was meet on the other side by a rasengan with equal force keeping the body in place. Walking around an argument what are you even talking about iv countered them all plus your acting like Sasuke has not shown to use ameno in a different way ignorance truely is bliss i see.

Chidori works by thrusting you retard. Lmao. Dafuq you talking about the sky for? And I'm not talking about Sasuke blitzing with his foot speed. (wasn't a real blitz, but that's another story) How the hell does the bold even matter here? What the hell are you even talking about?

Ameno did not fail against Naruto Sasuke landed the attack while blitzing him right where did it fail?

It failed when Naruto reacted and blocked with his arm. If Naruto was blitzed, he woud've gotten hit in the back.

not to mention later on in the fight Naruto was blitz with susanoo using ameno so how did it fail?

Bijuu Susanoo Ameno is irrelevant. The teleportation is equal, but Bijuu Susanoo>PS>Sasuke in striking speed, that's why Naruto got blitzed.

Still using this Naruto is slower than Minato nonsense with your un accurate ass downscaling comparing RSM to BM which is no where near right i already explained it RSM is the equivalent to BSM with Hagoromo's chakra so why when we scale it down why would it be bijuu mode naruto? simple answer is it would not quit being or acting like a fool.

No, I explained why it scales down to BM Naruto. You ignored the explanation and kept on going on about this irrelevant ass bullshit and now you are pretty much stating the same shit you've been stating the whole debate w/o any evidence backing it up or without any counter to my post, so concession accepted until you decide to post something worthwhile.

How can you have an attack that has no striking at all you cant be this stupid i swear for goodness Sasuke warps you into the attack HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND! or he warps you at the moment of impact giving you know time to react i cant believe how many times i have to type this nonsense for you to get i swear in your next reply if these same arguments you seem to not get come up im deleting them and moving on to the next. WTF are you talking about no force put behind the attack when did i ever say that? thats your fanfic your so stupid your getting lost in your own strain or thoughts no one said Sasuke would strike without striking? dumbest crap i ever heard second no force behind his attacks how would that help Sasuke win if he has no force behind his attacks i swear i think i got a little bit dumber reading this post. What part of ignoring the manga did you get out of me saying Sasuke warping the opponent at the moment of impact or warping them into his attacks? furthermore where did all this no force behind the attack come from this whole post made 0 sense from top to bottom but did i expect more no because all this is a way for you to cover your tracks about denying the most productive way he could use amenotejikara and infact Kaguya did not counter it in that way so its useless you saying in canon does not change the fact that what i posted also happened in canon.

Argument's been countered. You've spent half your shitty post repeating what you've been stating this whole time. Not gonna bother repeating myself.

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after what i just read you and anything that got to do with the word stupid should only be in a sentence of you calling you calling yourself stupid.

Once again. You sound dumb.


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Im literally done! where tha phuck is you getting the bold from? where please tell me. of course they're is movement how can you attack someone without movement wanna know what happen ill have to say this the 1 thousandth time Naruto strikes Tobirama waprs Naruto is in the same motion as he was when he striked why because instant movement give you know time to move anymore right after you've been warped the movements from his arm was from before he warped not after you idiot you even told me that the anime would clear it up because you cannot see in Manga panels in the manga and anime agrees with who Unorthodox

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You can clearly see his hand and his whole body move down towards Obito. Then there are the impact marks shown in the ****ing Manga. Not to mention Obito already reacted to a Hiraishin blitz later on in the Manga, so once again, you have no point. Cut the bullshit and cut the shitty ass replies.

Obviously i really dont get where this post is aimed at in your reply to went to deep without giving an actually quote your replying to i actually think your talking to youself on this one.

Smh. That's the claim you are basically making by telling me you don't need any kind of striking speed to hit your opponent.

He never confirmed he tried to use kamui to evade their attack why would he need it when up until that moment you said he was not worried about they're attacks he let Naruto and sasuke hit him so what changed from then to now? how in the world you can possibly react to instant striking speed? its instant kamui is not so your post fails in 2 different ways Sasuke who blitz Madara was not insta striking yet a superior jin was caught fail logic fails once again. In the speed of that attack is juubi jin level if its not instant as you claim how in the world does someone like Minato react to that?

It's not instant because Obito reacted to their Giant Rasengan blitz. Already gave up the Kamui point.

Nope im done with this force argument its making zero since at all if a wrecking ball is sword at me standing still in whacks me to pierces if im teleported on to the wrecking ball im still whacked to pieces so if thats what your getting at you still die its irrelevant.

Except that's not the situation. If a ball is teleported onto your back w/o force behind it, no impact will be will be made as there is no force to make an impact.

Sasuke trying a new attempt at using his jutsu does not mean the way he used it against Madara a different opponent does not work and he only used it that way when he 1 fully juiced on Chakra hence why he used his foot speed to blitz Madara and why he warped Kaguya between them before striking but are you denying that he could have told Naruto to aim at him the same way he did Madara then attack Kaguya that it would have failed? Also because a tech failed once does not mean it will fail again also Kaguya only countered his ameno under circumstances where Minato does not have

There is no new attempt. No teleportation jutsu has ever been instant teleport and instant strike. LMFAO. The rest is just a pathetic ass assumption. Prove that Sasuke used up so much chakra that the rest of his Ameno uses would all be different from that one occasion? What's worse is that you are claiming he did so again when he teleported behind Naruto, but by your logic he wouldn't be able to since he wasn't at full chakra. Get this bullshit out of here son. You sound mad stupid.

1. She switched to the ice dimension instantly which froze them making their movement stop all together some Minato cannot do

-Meaning there was time to react.
-Meaning it's not instant.
-Meaning you sound stupid as hell.

2. He was in the slow dimension the moment he came near her she went to a normal dimension phucking up his velocity something Minato cannot do as well.

-Meaning there was time to react.
-Meaning it's not instant.
-Meaning you sound stupid as hell.

Kaguya does not help your case at all in the fact that we never saw Sasuke use Ameno like he did against Madara on her helps my cause even more child. He blitz Naruto right after Naruto Made all his clones clocking him in the head he also blitzed him with that chidori Naruto got hit if Sasuke was really going for the kill he would not have used a chidori to do so when a perfect susanoo blade could have bisected him in the same way. Sasuke swamped his place his blade stabbing Madara a blade has no striking speed so how did it stab Madara because it was swamped with Sasuke at the moment of impact making no striking speed necessary.

Kaguya is proof that Ameno is not instant. Sasuke "not using it like he did against Madara" is just another assumption from you. Ameno is Ameno. Ameno was used against 3 people, and he only legit blitzed one because that one wasn't fast enough. Quit trying to make shit up to prove your arguments.

A blade has no striking speed? So now the plade somehow warped into Madara's chest? Lmfao. Swapping with weapons causes the weapon to attack the user.

Sasuke can teleport his attack into Minato what cant you understand? But thats the point Sasuke would only teleport his oppoent to the moment his attack reachs perfect position to be effective he did it perfect against Madara he does it better against Minato him being an adult now knows how to work amenotejikara better im not seeing how this is a counter to my post but okay as long as were on the same page with how Sasuke warping ability works im good.

Read above. This whole point has been replied to. Most of your post was just repeating the same "instant bullshit".

Funny thing is i just countered the shit out of this post hmmmmmm.

Didn't counter shit tbh.

Wank like i do what? (Narutobase logic) If person A has a favorite character in they support them in a thread thats wank no its not wank the only wanker is you overrating abilities like Sage mode the the kurama avatar but you'll get enough of that shortly im about proceed to flame the rest of your post.

Except you are wanking, that's the thing. Lmfao.

Everytime i see say where is the proof i laugh because i know its your defensive tactic when you cannot counter something my proof is 17 year old Sasuke would easily push EMS Madara without kurama ofc to high diff. The last Sasuke no Hagoromo chakra of course would defeat Madara by a small margin giving the fact how much his chidori grew compared to vote we scale that to what his ps could do. Adult Sasuke would grow even more considering he grew that much in 3 years in did not enter his prime so Adult Sasuke without Hagoromo chakra is basically a stronger combination of EMS Madara EMS Sasuke & Nagato with Bushin thats stomps EMS Madara alone my friend stay salty.

Good. So you proved that The Last Sasuke>17 yr old Sasuke. Now prove that his Susanoo gets stronger than Madara's in 10 years. I'll be waiting for real proof. Not nigh baseless assumptions. Whether or not he beats EMS Madara is completely irrelevant.

The bold is what iv been saying this whole post trust me. and iv replied to this to many times you read above i hope you learn something this time around these walls of post are getting longer and longer because of your ignorance to accept what Sasuke can and cannot do. I never said he could have blitz Her i even gave reason to why she made it useless read above boy. Ignoring what flawed logic the only logic that is flawed here is your stop with the insults it makes you look mad as hell lmao.

Your reasoning was retarded and irrelevant.

Yes you did i bring up the quote.

Go ahead and bring up the quote so I can teach your dumbass how to read.

You did not have to say you we're heavily implying it. Naruto was not really being occupied with an attack he blocked with a single chakra hand and as far as im concered he would not have took damage from a simple chidori which he did not because we know if Sasuke would have rushed him with chidori he could have used the same size chakra hand to block it but why could he not do that with his other hand that was not occupied? Simple answer is simple he was blitz stop trying to make excuses you duck.

That's occupied you retard. Lol. The rest is irrelevant. Naruto turned around and blocked with his left arm, thus he was not blitzed. A blitz occurs when there is NO REACTION. How is it a blitz when he REACTED? Once again, you sound stupid as hell.

I already said explained and shitted on this fireball argument you keep insisting on putting up and no it had no effect on how sasuke got that far read above chump. I only mention sage mode to counter your shitty argument about him not sensing Sasuke have you forgotten go back and re read your own post before jumping to conclusions.

You stated that Naruto dealing with the fireball doesn't mean that he's occupied, even though that's exactly what it means.

Turning around is not reaction when the blitzing is coming from Behind Madara turned around

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Yet was still blitz shitless.

You sound stupid as hell. The sheer fact that he turned around is proof that he reacted to Sasuke's attack. Do I need to get the definition of reaction? Lmao. Kid, your posts become dumber and dumber the longer we go on. Do yourself a favor and stop posting.

Clear as day hell no we see his arm dangling near his chest and we call that a block? no more like a block attempt

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denying logic is not a strong suit for you kid.

Except we see Sasuke hit Naruto's arm. So once again, what are you even talking about? You are trying your hardest to invalidate definitions from the English language. Turning around is a reaction. Blocking is a reaction.

It does make sense because they dont downscale to BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

Except they do, and you haven't even given me any real reason to believe otherwise.

Sasuke speed will not need to buffed when Naruto's speed is not buffed by it either. Bijuu mode Naruto chakra sensing is better than sage modes, Sage mode can sense more than chakra as it was able to sense everybody in the war and actually see how the fights we're going down but Bijuu mode has it owns perks with sensing negative emotions.

You sound stupid as fuck once again. Bijuu Mode only has negative emotions sensing, which is basically the same as chakra sensing except with negative emotions. You go on about how BM sensing is better, even though Naruto used Sage Mode sensing against Juubito. Naruto agrees that SM sensing>>>BM sensing. Not to mention he outright states that he can sense better in SM.

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I'm fully expecting you to reply with some irrelevant BS tho. It's what you do best.

You already countered the argument of him being downscaled to bijuu mode Naruto instead of bsm naruto so why do you keep bring that up and sensing is only good when your body has the physical speed to do so and it would not be to him dodging sasuke's striking speed because as i told you he can warp on to his attack making it useless even if your faster than Sasuke himself. Its a fact now? now not even close Minato gets no transformation when his avatar comes out thus no more power from his previous state except a bijuu mode sage mode edges that out and if it does puts it above its not that much above to claim its fact anyways.

Irrelevant. KCM Naruto and KCM Minato have equal movement speed. BSM Minato>BM Naruto in speed due to Sage Mode enhancing his speed. Naruto v. Sasuke downscales to BM Naruto vs. EMS Sasuke. So he has the movement speed to react. Sasuke doesn't have the speed to blitz him when he failed to blitz Naruto in canon, thus Minato teleports away. End of story.

Urmm i hope those scans we're wrong because they did not prove a thing.

Those scans show Naruto entering Sage Mode w/o gathering Nature Energy.

What this makes no sense i hope your not implying he does not need nature energy from earth to use Hagoromo's senjutsu?

That's exactly what the Manga shows, but you are illiterate, so why did I even expect you to be able to read the Manga.

Hagoromo's senjutsu would be they're because he got his own Nature energy from the earth when he was alive so this is moot.

What the fuck are you even talking about? No user of Rikudo Senjutsu has ever needed to gather Nature Energy, because the chakra itself is the source of the power. Lmao. Making baseless assumptions again I see.

Also if it was just Hagoromo's senjutsu why does Naruto still have the signature sage mode of the frog eye?

Because that's the Sage Mode he learned. Once again, you sound stupid. Instead of making Senjutsu w/ Nature Energy from the atmosphere and his own chakra, he uses Hagoromo's Senjutsu. The Senjutsu that everyone uses bar Hagoromo's is the same, it has jack shit to do with what mode you enter. Kabuto's Senjutsu is not different from Naruto's Senjutsu. The only difference is that Naruto trained under the toads.

Tobirama saying that had nothing to do at that moment in time he knew whipping the chakra hands in the way was a counter which it was.

Which is irrelevant to the fact that he knows Obito would be able to react, thus Hiraishin attacks is not instant. If Hiraishin attacks were instant then a reaction would be impossible no matter how fast Obito was.

Really that was the only reason they survived? the avatars took 0 zero damage furthermore they thought they have a chance to land another blow because of the Kurama avatar power because Naruto even resorts to a bijuu dama after they realize a rasengan is not stronge enough to cut it.

Not relevant to my argument.

That is Minato's ftg not Tobirama's they even a different sealing formulas and Minato ftg has been describe to be much more versitile than Tobirama's on numerous occasions nice try is not really a nice try.

Lmao, how stupid can you get? Minato and Tobirama use the SAME JUTSU. Hiraishin is instant. Minato is said to be more versatile because he has pre marked Kunai, not because his Hiraishin is magically superior.

He clearly did prepare his chakra hands before the attack.

Nope. Scan shows him looking back when they are preparing, and then the next scan shows his chakra arms shooting at them while they slap it away.

They clearly were that why in the picture below you see obito's chakra hands blow up like a balloon in that scan you dumbass.

Yeah, that happened WHEN THEY ATTACKED. Lmao. Fucking moron.

No him being able to sense means alot especially since the fact he knew Sasuke was going to use amaterasu because he sensed chakra build up in his left eye which is his amaterasu eye

That doesn't change anything I said.

He would have easily since the amount of chakra to build up for an ftg thus countered it but why did'nt he because he could not simple as that. Him not putting his guard up means nothing especially since he blocked a much more useless attack like gamaken spit.

@bold: Once again, stop making shitty ass assumptions and excuses.

Im talking about a surprise attack being useless to top tier sensors dont play dumb.

Except it's not. Not when we are talking about Hiraishin.

Nope the difference is top tier sensors cannot be caught off by surprise attacks and he could attack obito at the moment of impact because he had him marked while Madara was not marked counter that smart ass.

Which is based on nothing. Madara not being marked is the reason this part of your argument is idiotic.

Tobirama clearly says

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meaning ftg what was dodge was his striking speed not him dashing into an attack whats even more dumb is that in the next panel he dodged Tobirama again (Striking speed)

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so that is was him dashing at him nonsense needs to be dropped. No you'd be a fool the difference where he blocked it and when he had his chakra hands on his back in the other he did not thus he got blitz. The attack was larger but how in the world was it faster? ohh i guess you thought that would slip right past me nope it will not instant = instant.

What he said is ****ing irrelevant when we see him teleport to the statue, and then strike. The scan you posted is irrelevant since I never denied that. Lmao.

Already countered. What i really want to know is how does this help Minato this argument has less to do with Minato and more to do with you ignoring the obvious.

It's proof that teleportation attacks are not instant.

Not reacting throwing up a defense before an attack can be used is not reaction.

Turning around before you get hit is a reaction.

No ***** your the one using the word you google it for me or post a scan.

Sorry stupid bitch. If you aren't smart enough to right click and search that's your problem.

No your shitty point was giving all the credit to Sage mode which had a very little to do with it proof to me that BM naruto could not track those moves huh?

Addressed. BM Naruto is not that much faster than KCM Naruto, and KCM Naruto was blitzed with no reaction.

The difference is big you cannot compare to 3 tails to the 4 tails furthermore that similar to the distance between sage mode so your point still holds zero ground. the rest was insults to make your post look longer yawn. What point did i not adress huh?

Except we aren't comparing 3 tails to 4 tails, so your post is completely irrelevant.

Considering how slow base Naruto is compared to Minato there is a difference not seeing how id prove your point at all.

So now you are trying to say that there is a large difference between KCM Naruto and KCM Minato? Smh. dumbass.

What speed did i not address because i said that Naruto KM<<<< Naruto BM in terms of speed and it would go likely the same for Minato. KM Minato = KM Naruto = BM Minato <<<< BM Naruto in terms of speed where as SM added to his kmc would result into the same Minato KM <<<< BSM Minato speed wise so i actually did shit on your speed argument.

Zero proof for any of this garbage.

If Sasuke is going for that strategy why would he leave his sword right next to him makes 0 sense you fool. Madara scenario is far from irrelevant rather he was chasing sasuke or not you act as if he does not have the reaction to stop if the sword would have appeared right in front of him your talking about Madara a juubi jin making a dumb mistake like that your excuse of him not paying attention was garbage, no the sword was warped right into him or atleast at the precise time (To close for him to dodge) and if a juubi jin could not react Minato gets his face daggered up.

Then this scenario is irrelevant since Sasuke's sword can't pierce the Avatar.

no i cant understand because the logic was shitty and irrelevant.

Then I'll accept your concession.

You did infact say that need i bring up the scans? i was impying tracking is = of reacting to them with the sharingan and yes you would need it be to activated to do so

Mentioning is my point that that form of Susanoo would not be able to compare to his adult form and if it could force a juubi jin to block Minato gets chopped up added with the fact he has ameno its lights out for Minato.

Proof or gtfo.

Being black was apart of the rikudou chakra no doubt but because sasuke had that but you harped on that like my post had anything to do with the raikiri being black. What do kamui abilities have to do with both MS? you cannot be this dumb when apart neither can dodge a flying gudo dama close together its dodges easily now if both eyes where in one socket you get the full experience of the jutsu we have no idea what kamui can do when both eyes are together you jumping to ooh its Hagoromo chakra is irrelevant.

No stupid bitch. I said what does "Kamui and Raikiri being added together" have to do with both MS? Since when did both MS allow you to combine techniques like that? Oh wait, never. So please stop making shit up. Especially when Kakashi already attributed the ability to combine Kamui with his techs to RIKUDO'S POWER.

Irrelevant because you act as if Kakashi had experienced what he could not do without rikudo's chakra while having both sharingans. Jumping to conclusions he just said with Hagoromo's chakra his eyes are stronger he clearly was talking about him using perfect susanoo rather then a standard ms susanoo which is much more logical then him talking about kamui.

Learn how to read.

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-He uses Kamui Shuriken. Wondering if it's possible.
-Then he says as I thought.

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Meaning Kamui Shuriken is because of Hagoromo's chakra. Once again. Learn how to read.

No an excuse you cannot even give him credit he has never had susanoo so your failing to address my point ill accept it as a you conceding.

Addressed.

If it was so tiny how come he was able to use their abilities? your trying to call out relevance is irrelevant.

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Naruto only made 3 clones now shut your dumbass up furthermore you still did not counter my post whats so hard about admitting defeat? and making 3 clones does not = Making a Kurama avatar so i still defeated you in this regard of Hagoromo's chakra.

Because it was large enough to let him use their abilities. Doesn't change the fact that it's only a tiny piece of their full power. The rest is irrelevant as it still does not prove your point.

No excuse it had his ashura avatar out they're so he did not need to make use a gudo dama since Kurama himself could make the bijuu dama all Naruto had to do was add the wind nature furthermore this scan does not discount my own especially since Kurama made the bijuu dama core for the FRS.

Which is something he couldn't do before getting his chakra. End of story.

I just shitted on your Hagoromo's chakra makes you master at combinations argument yet your still saying this them being both Ms techs are irrelevant since Madara was shown to use katon while in susanoo etc. and Sasuke was shown to hold enton in his hand so why would he not be able to hold that same enton while using chidori a non ms tech? You know i cannot give you feats of non feat ful character show me a scan of Kurama letting Minato use his bsm or minato using a bijuu dama? shit sound stupid right.

Addressed above.

Wrong Rikudou Naruto > Sasuke if no bijuu is they're if the senjutsu is only rikudou's why does Naruto still has HIS OWN sage mode eyes? furthermore irrelevant because RSM is to BSM as EMS Sasuke would be to EMS Sasuke Hagoromo boost minus the rinnegan techs fail argument fails.

Addressed above.

No its not a fact but ill let you live with the nonsense. No his sage mode was not enough if it was he would not have bothered with using bijuu mode that alone kills your dumb one sided ass post and can you prove bijuu mode naruto would be getting blitz no you cannot so shut yo ass up. Sensing does not = reaction what type of logic is that especially when Bijuu mode have a much better sensing Negative emotions if you lack the physical movements to dodge something sensing because useless and while in his km mode he lack the physical movement to react but not when we're talking about his bijuu mode. No one ever questioned sage mode giving you a boost i only questioned how large the boost was you claiming that the boost is a juubi jin difference maker is a joke and no one is crying im just feed up on how dumb you are and keep trying to pass this nonsense off as logic. Do not inclued me in your nonsense does not need to deny manga fact to counter your dumbass.

Addressed above.

Um it takes far less the mountain buster to set off i bijuu dama that is enough proof.

Flash BD? Based on what again?

Sasuke was able to fly so high he reached Madara who was this high

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then flew down in 2 single chapters to protect Naruto with divide that distance by 1/4 off the ground and estimate that his susanoo should at least be 75% slower than rinnegan Sasuke he dodges any bijuu dama with utter ease.

A Rikudo Sasuke feat? Then no ****s are given. The rest are horseshit estimations with no basis, especially since Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is over 10x stronger than EMS Sasuke's PS, so why the hell would it only be 75% slower? Lmao.

Irrelevant to compare Teen Sasuke susanoo damage to what adult Sasuke's would be so this logic stinks and holds no water. But i know for certain they would be stronger than Obito's throw which destroyed the whole avatar the tails are Kurama's stronger parts not the neck and face which gets butchered and with a chidori streaming on his blade is far worst how about stop denying logic and start countering it.

Except you don't. You have no proof of anything you are stating. Since you keep repeating statements with no evidence, I'll just take your concession on this.

No one was going to say anything about ameno's cool down but i will say he can use to Ameno's im succession with each other and even if he cant he uses ameno to warp higher in the air giving him more then enough time to dodge the next or he excutes Minato & Kurama with Rinnegan Genjutsu and yes he can catch them Kurama not only has eyes

Except he can't use Ameno in succession. Warping higher in the air means nothing since he won't be able to do anything relevant to Minato from the air.

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clearly connected to his optic nerve as its what kurama use to see and once bm kurama was yanked away from Naruto he lost the kurama within himself meaning they're the same Sasuke has shown to cacth multiply opponents at the same time without eye contact genjutsu ruins Minato.

Catching Minato and Kurama in Genjutsu is irrelevant when they'd break it in literally a second. Not to mention Rikudo Buffed Sasuke showed the ability to catch all 9 Bijuu in Genjutsu with a single glance. Why can't you Sasuke fapkids stop giving a superior Sasuke's feats to a much weaker Sasuke.

Yes it is a flash bijuu dama is not actually a thing i hope you know that only by manga panda translations anyways the only difference in the one you showed was the cut off screen making them look like they hit at the sametime.

Smh. You sound stupid as all hell.

1. That BD was much smaller.
2. That BD was much slower.

Yet somehow they are the same? Lmfao.

When has naruto fired a larger bijuu dama faster than that hell that was much larger than gyuki and much larger than the faster bijuu dama which are barrages no one is twisting your so called manga facts i really hate when people say that lel.

Lol. Once again. You sound stupid.

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Tell me more about how these are the same size. Quit twisting Manga facts pal, it makes you look stupider than I already know you are.

Still chit talking huh will it ever end?

It'll end when you learn how to ****ing read.

So were just forgetting about bijuu mode naruto huh? Anything to help your cause right i guess that's how it is nowadays.

Addressed so many times.

I gave you evidence its up to you rather you accept it or not no one is rushing you take your time. please explain to me what a weak basis because i know you have no idea what it means you phucking clown.

Better hit up the dictionary then and expand your vocabulary. Smh. BASIS=FOUNDATION. In a nutshell....it means that your argument is ass and you have zero or little proof for anything you are saying.

They're bigger so more taxing than a bijuu dama barrage so im going to assume he cant since your zero evidence of him doing so. Also using shira tensei to push one back into the other causes an explosion to blow up Minato's face

Except I have proof that 1 Flash BD doesn't even consume anywhere near the amount of chakra equal to Kurama's. Now, unlike your dumbass, I'm going to provide evidence. Why the hell are you even talking about a barrage hen I never mentioned a barrage.

Firing Multi Bijuu damas is a barrage you did not have to mention you fanfics lead you into implying it dumbass.

No you fucking cluck. Firing them AT ONCE IS A BARRAGE. Firing them at separate times isn't. Smh. You and your best buddy YD need to learn how to read.

No i took a post from after the manga end then you deny your shit. Rest is worthless insults that does nothing!.

No counter.

You even mention that Madara's Perfect susanoo was stronger than that susanoo now they're on par yeah no this is what i mean by your inconsistent posted now get anger because i demand it. You keep talking about Sasuke could not do at vote yet Naruto failed to destroy his susanoo your logic is not helping you. Still saying Naruto with no senjutsu what a joke this argument has been bodybagged and thrown over a bridge.

LMAO. Why are you such a fucking idiot? Now read you ingrate. I said that the boosted Susanoo is on par with PS, as in SASUKE'S PS. Where the hell do you see me say that Madara's PS=Sasuke's Boosted Susanoo. This is what I'm talking about. Your pathetic ass obsession with me causes you to twist my words into what you wish I had said.

Explain him still having his sage mode eyes that ge gets from the frogs? after you can do that then maybe ill concede but untill then shut up and listen while i speak you don't even know your own IQ furthermore IQ testing is not accurate at all.

Addressed.

Lawd still talking about Sasuke susanoo not being as strong as Madara's when he perfect susanoo he used to cover Naruto Avatar is that strong slap your phucking self. Sasuke can see things small as cells with 3 tomoe let alone a ems

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and did you not read when i said his clones will roast the kunai? It does not need to be focused at all the kunai go flying out the ground buried under ruble or vaporized by Minato's useless bijuu dama's or Chibaku tensei. Having Hagoromo chakra after the war arc does not speed up your growth he was still getting stronger even as the vote fight was in progess so moot point is moot.

He can see things as small as cells when his ****ing arm is right in front of him. How does that have anything to do with him seeing small shit from far away?

Lmao clones? If he uses clones a single BD wipes them all off the face of the planet.

To who in what his susanoo before perfect susanoo already shown equal durability to BSM Kurama.

That Susanoo is as strong as his Perfect Susanoo. Your Lord isn't anywhere near as strong as you think, it's really that simple.

But Naruto could No.

Irrelevant.

It does even the susanoo he used the slash Obito's nonuboku blade is enough to erase Kurama's face. He grew to strong he reached his prime that simple give me proof that he has not got that strong the logic is shitty and is not going to bail you out try again.

Based on what again? Oh wait, nothing. No evidence=No point=Shit argument.

That is not perfect susanoo dumbass. only female rolls their eyes but.....

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the second scan is his perfect susanoo its looks just like Madara's dont it yup.

And only females bitch like you do.

Looks like Madara's=/=As strong as Madara's. Where did I even say that his boosted Susanoo is his PS? I said it's the same strength as his PS, minus all types of Senjutsu from both Susanoo.

He reached Madara level against Juubito as adult he breezed right passed as he breezes through this matchup.

EMS Madara would bend Sasuke over and rape the ever living shit out of him with his PS blade. Their Susanoo are nowhere near each other's levels. I've already proven this before, but you ignored evidence and went crying to RustledJimmies about it instead of replying. Lmfao.

Rikudo PS=Rikudo BM in speed, strength, and durability.
Subtract Rikudo.

PS=BM in speed, strength and durability.

Sasuke's boosted Senjutsu Susanoo is equal to Naruto's Sage Kurama avatar in speed, strength, and durability.

Subtract Senjutsu.

Boosted Susanoo=BM in speed, strength and durability. Just like his boosted Susanoo.

From this point forward, if you repeat defeated points I'm going to simply erase them. Lmao, Trash debater is trash. That's why you attempt to flex so hard, to compensate.

 

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Did you guys really picked up the amaterasu one shot point ? Minato already shited on it canon , please don't go full retard , but Kid Sasuke solos Minato with the curse seal gg .

 

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Gotta give props to KG though, I wouldn't even take the time to read half that stupid shit.

 

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Bold is based on literally nothing. There is no scan that shows this massive speed boost BM gets, nor would this speed boost match the sensing and precognitive abilities that Sage Mode gives. There was a whole separate debate about this, and no one had a scan showing that BM Naruto>>>KCM Naruto in speed. Stop making shitty claims without backing them up. That's why your posts are piss poor.


What's funny is that your dumbass doesn't even what "facts" are. Let me sum up your shit argument. You claimed that Base Adult Naruto>KCSM Naruto in foot speed based on an increase in one of his jutsu? Dafuq? Why are you trying to take the exact amount Sasuke's Chidori jumped and apply it to his ****ing speed? That makes zero sense whatsoever. Then you say "10" years later (were the hell are you getting 15 from? Lmao) it should be faster, even though you literally have no proof of anything you are saying. Fact is not speculation. Especially when you are using jutsu strength to determine a boost in speed.




Wow. You and your best friend are probably the dumbest nigas in this whole forum. That post said "KMC Naruto". The only one who keeps incorrectly typing "KMC Naruto" is your dumbass. I forgot to put quotation marks around your post, that's why it appeared to be in my post. Smh.

Lmao. Do you know why Naruto couldn't dodge? Because he was in mid air. You dumb? Did you really just attempt to use that as some kind of evidence? Lmfao. So Sasuke>Naruto's speed while off his feet in the air. Amazing feat. Obito's hand is in the same damn position because he doesn't need to move his hand to attack because his Gudo Dama extends, not his hand. Stop grasping at straws and learn how to interpret the damn Manga. Sasuke intercepted Juubito's stick, that Hiruzen reacted to. Is it a great feat? Yes, considering he reacted just as fast as Minato. Does that mean he has a better Shunshin than Minato? No. Lmfao. Sasuke wankers kill me nowadays.

Fuck you even talking about? Do even know how long I've been saying that KCM Naruto and KCM Minato were around the same speed tier? Smh. Long before this argument pal, so what the hell are you even trying to prove? KCM Naruto being equal with KCM Minato only proves my point. That Minato w/ Sage Mode>Naruto when it comes to reaction speed. Inb4 "BM massive fanfictional boost".







So first you say that you don't think that, when I call you out on it, now you say you do? Smh. And this kid calls me inconsistent. Anyway, Juubito's stick is not as fast as Ay, so Sasuke outspeeding it doesn't mean shit. Do me a favor and keep the wank to yourself.



1. That's what the whole encounter was about. Who was faster.

2. That's exactly what it means. Ay came at him, he Shunshin'd away a good 10 meters away from Ay, which requires him to outspeed him since Ay was literally in his face.


Yes guys, because punching and kicking in close combat somehow has anything to do with Shunshin speed. Lol. Tell me another joke.




Why do all Sasuke tards grasp at the same straw? KCM Naruto dodged Ay, thus he is faster. What he did or didn't do afterwards is completely irrelevant to me since he has the feat of dodging Ay, and your inability to read the Manga isn't going to change that. Ay being able to dodge Naruto's punch is irrelevant to me. Naruto already proved himself to be faster than Ay, so you are gonna have to deal with it.

What's funnier is that Ay being faster than Naruto or not means nothing.



My argument has jack shit to do with Ay pal. Lol. Sasuke's reaction speed>Ay's. Ay's Shunshin>>Sasuke's.



You do know that Hiruzen reacting from a smaller distance only helps me right? The closer the attack, the harder it is to dodge it. How does Obito manipulating Gudo Dama with his feet have anything to do with anything here? Grazed half of Hiruzen? Dafuq are you even talking about? Minato blocked Juubito's foot attack, not to mention the distance and situations are different.

-Hiruzen was attacked with a Gudo Dama stick.
-Minato was attacked by Juubito's own strike.

And where did I state that he can't blitz Hiruzen? Smh. Please stop trying to make irrelevant ass sub arguments by misinterpreting my post. I said he DIDN'T blitz Hiruzen there. Never said that Juubito at full speed can't blitz Hiruzen. Keep the bullshit coming though pal.




Tobirama and Hashirama are irrelevant. Why are you even mentioning them? Show me where Sasuke reacted to Juubito's Shunshin/Flight speed in that chapter? Because I can sit here and read that shit to you and we'll come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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He reacted to the Gudo Dama. Juubito only moved his hand upwards to fire said Gudo Dama. Smh.

L2Read kid. I said that it took a SENJUTSU SUSANOO to let him react physically in any way. Read before you post. This whole post only shows me that you are either too dumb to understand simple words from the English language, or it shows that you've ignored the whole post cause you have no real counter. The speed his eyes can see at is irrelevant. If his body is not fast enough to react, he doesn't react regardless of what his eyes can see. It's that simple. Senjutsu Susanoo>>>>Sasuke when it comes to striking speed.




That's not proof clown. That's proof Adult Sasuke is faster, not that Adult Sasuke is fast enough.


Stop trying to use Minato's performance to say he's inferior to Sasuke when this is KCSM Minato, not KCM Minato.



Learn how to fucking read please. "Minato w/ Kurama AND SAGE MODE".



When did I say that Minato reacted to Obito? Oh wait, never. Why are you even mentioning KCM Minato still? Are you really this stupid? Do you really have to be told multiple times that KCSM Minato>>KCM Minato in reaction speed? Minato getting clowned is completely irrelevant when a person on his speed tier with BSM was tracking Juubito.




Which literally proves nothing, because we aren't talking about KCM Naruto or Minato. We are talking about KCSM Naruto. BSM Naruto's speed only shits on theirs because thet have Sage Mode amplifying their power.




The fact that he canonically USED SAGE SENSING TO REACT TO JUUBITO. Then there's the fact that KCM Naruto was getting blitzed while BSM Naruto was able to react, once again, due to Sage Sensing.



What you are saying literally makes no sense. The stupidity in these posts is making my eyes bleed. How the hell does Naruto being faster than them in BM prove that Naruto reacted because of BM? Why are you using SM Naruto's feats as judgement of BSM Naruto's feats when BM Naruto>>>Base Naruto, thus BM Naruto w/ Sage Mode>>>Base Naruto w/ Sage Mode (SM Naruto) You are literally repeating shit I've already addressed. Why waste my time replying if you are going to say stuff that doesn't even make a fraction of sense? Naruto canonically had to use Sage Sensing to track Obito. Thus that is the reason why he was able to react. Not BM. You haven't even proven that BM>>>>>KCM like you claim. Show a scan or gtfo.

What the hell are you even talking about? Thanks for showing proof that Sage Mode enhances BM Naruto. You sound stupid as hell right now. Sage Mode not boosting more than KCM is completely irrelevant when we are talking about BOTH TOGETHER. I don't give a shit about SM Naruto not being as fast as KCM Naruto when I'm talking about BSM Naruto and BSM Minato. Your whole reply is idiotic and doesn't even make sense. Do you clowns read the shit you type before you post it? IQ of below 90 indeed.




You sound stupid as fuck.

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Madara hit Naruto then he went for Sai, so taking away Sai literally doesn't mean shit. Naruto reacted, so it's not a blitz. It's really that simple.




The only thing you've killed is your credibility.





Stop using plot as an excuse. It's really that simple.



I've thoroughly addressed that horseshit.




Nope. He warped behind Naruto and Naruto ran into him. Learn how to read the Manga.

You know how dumb you are if you warps behind someone so close that it looks like your touching them already that the striking speed requires less time meaning it gives your opponent less time to react against your attack thus their not dodging your post is dumb just like you. - sigh- you do realize the closer sasuke would be to Naruto the harder it would be for him to react right? so how in the phuck does your post make sense?

Which is irrelevant to my point. As long you have to strike, the opponent has time to react. That simple. What the hell are you even talking about, Sasuke could be in Naruto's face, but if he has to **** his arm and strike, Naruto is easily going to react, even more so for a guy who can instantaneously teleport with a thought.



I've explained this in detail. Only idiots wouldn't be able to understand it at this point.





Naruto went from being blitzed to tracking Juubito. That's a massive boost. I'm waiting for you or anyone to prove that BM Naruto>>>>KCM Naruto.

1. Never said that SM Naruto reacts faster. Learn how to read.

2. If Negative emotions sensing is piss poor compared to Sage Sensing when it comes to precognitive abilities. Naruto had his negative emotions sensing yet he still got blitzed.

The rest is the same argument I've smashed a million times already. When you have scans of Naruto and Kaguya getting blitzed by Ameno, then we can talk about this fanficiton "Sasuke blitz all" argument you are pulling out of your ass.







Smh. You've literally repeated the same thing I've already addressed. Concession accepted.






Same argument huh? Once again. Already addressed.

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This doesn't erase any of the examples I've already posted. So thanks for wasting yet another section of this post.




It being teleportation is irrelevant. Kishimoto didn't show any kind of striking speed, so by your shitty ass logic "There was no striking speed".




Chidori works by thrusting you retard. Lmao. Dafuq you talking about the sky for? And I'm not talking about Sasuke blitzing with his foot speed. (wasn't a real blitz, but that's another story) How the hell does the bold even matter here? What the hell are you even talking about?



It failed when Naruto reacted and blocked with his arm. If Naruto was blitzed, he woud've gotten hit in the back.



Bijuu Susanoo Ameno is irrelevant. The teleportation is equal, but Bijuu Susanoo>PS>Sasuke in striking speed, that's why Naruto got blitzed.


No, I explained why it scales down to BM Naruto. You ignored the explanation and kept on going on about this irrelevant ass bullshit and now you are pretty much stating the same shit you've been stating the whole debate w/o any evidence backing it up or without any counter to my post, so concession accepted until you decide to post something worthwhile.




Argument's been countered. You've spent half your shitty post repeating what you've been stating this whole time. Not gonna bother repeating myself.





Once again. You sound dumb.


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You can clearly see his hand and his whole body move down towards Obito. Then there are the impact marks shown in the ****ing Manga. Not to mention Obito already reacted to a Hiraishin blitz later on in the Manga, so once again, you have no point. Cut the bullshit and cut the shitty ass replies.








Smh. That's the claim you are basically making by telling me you don't need any kind of striking speed to hit your opponent.




It's not instant because Obito reacted to their Giant Rasengan blitz. Already gave up the Kamui point.



Except that's not the situation. If a ball is teleported onto your back w/o force behind it, no impact will be will be made as there is no force to make an impact.




There is no new attempt. No teleportation jutsu has ever been instant teleport and instant strike. LMFAO. The rest is just a pathetic ass assumption. Prove that Sasuke used up so much chakra that the rest of his Ameno uses would all be different from that one occasion? What's worse is that you are claiming he did so again when he teleported behind Naruto, but by your logic he wouldn't be able to since he wasn't at full chakra. Get this bullshit out of here son. You sound mad stupid.



-Meaning there was time to react.
-Meaning it's not instant.
-Meaning you sound stupid as hell.


-Meaning there was time to react.
-Meaning it's not instant.
-Meaning you sound stupid as hell.



Kaguya is proof that Ameno is not instant. Sasuke "not using it like he did against Madara" is just another assumption from you. Ameno is Ameno. Ameno was used against 3 people, and he only legit blitzed one because that one wasn't fast enough. Quit trying to make shit up to prove your arguments.

A blade has no striking speed? So now the plade somehow warped into Madara's chest? Lmfao. Swapping with weapons causes the weapon to attack the user.








Read above. This whole point has been replied to. Most of your post was just repeating the same "instant bullshit".



Didn't counter shit tbh.



Except you are wanking, that's the thing. Lmfao.



Good. So you proved that The Last Sasuke>17 yr old Sasuke. Now prove that his Susanoo gets stronger than Madara's in 10 years. I'll be waiting for real proof. Not nigh baseless assumptions. Whether or not he beats EMS Madara is completely irrelevant.




Your reasoning was retarded and irrelevant.



Go ahead and bring up the quote so I can teach your dumbass how to read.



That's occupied you retard. Lol. The rest is irrelevant. Naruto turned around and blocked with his left arm, thus he was not blitzed. A blitz occurs when there is NO REACTION. How is it a blitz when he REACTED? Once again, you sound stupid as hell.




You stated that Naruto dealing with the fireball doesn't mean that he's occupied, even though that's exactly what it means.




You sound stupid as hell. The sheer fact that he turned around is proof that he reacted to Sasuke's attack. Do I need to get the definition of reaction? Lmao. Kid, your posts become dumber and dumber the longer we go on. Do yourself a favor and stop posting.






Except we see Sasuke hit Naruto's arm. So once again, what are you even talking about? You are trying your hardest to invalidate definitions from the English language. Turning around is a reaction. Blocking is a reaction.



Except they do, and you haven't even given me any real reason to believe otherwise.




You sound stupid as fuck once again. Bijuu Mode only has negative emotions sensing, which is basically the same as chakra sensing except with negative emotions. You go on about how BM sensing is better, even though Naruto used Sage Mode sensing against Juubito. Naruto agrees that SM sensing>>>BM sensing. Not to mention he outright states that he can sense better in SM.

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I'm fully expecting you to reply with some irrelevant BS tho. It's what you do best.



Irrelevant. KCM Naruto and KCM Minato have equal movement speed. BSM Minato>BM Naruto in speed due to Sage Mode enhancing his speed. Naruto v. Sasuke downscales to BM Naruto vs. EMS Sasuke. So he has the movement speed to react. Sasuke doesn't have the speed to blitz him when he failed to blitz Naruto in canon, thus Minato teleports away. End of story.




Those scans show Naruto entering Sage Mode w/o gathering Nature Energy.




That's exactly what the Manga shows, but you are illiterate, so why did I even expect you to be able to read the Manga.



What the fuck are you even talking about? No user of Rikudo Senjutsu has ever needed to gather Nature Energy, because the chakra itself is the source of the power. Lmao. Making baseless assumptions again I see.




Because that's the Sage Mode he learned. Once again, you sound stupid. Instead of making Senjutsu w/ Nature Energy from the atmosphere and his own chakra, he uses Hagoromo's Senjutsu. The Senjutsu that everyone uses bar Hagoromo's is the same, it has jack shit to do with what mode you enter. Kabuto's Senjutsu is not different from Naruto's Senjutsu. The only difference is that Naruto trained under the toads.






Which is irrelevant to the fact that he knows Obito would be able to react, thus Hiraishin attacks is not instant. If Hiraishin attacks were instant then a reaction would be impossible no matter how fast Obito was.




Not relevant to my argument.



Lmao, how stupid can you get? Minato and Tobirama use the SAME JUTSU. Hiraishin is instant. Minato is said to be more versatile because he has pre marked Kunai, not because his Hiraishin is magically superior.



Nope. Scan shows him looking back when they are preparing, and then the next scan shows his chakra arms shooting at them while they slap it away.



Yeah, that happened WHEN THEY ATTACKED. Lmao. Fucking moron.



That doesn't change anything I said.




@bold: Once again, stop making shitty ass assumptions and excuses.




Except it's not. Not when we are talking about Hiraishin.



Which is based on nothing. Madara not being marked is the reason this part of your argument is idiotic.




What he said is ****ing irrelevant when we see him teleport to the statue, and then strike. The scan you posted is irrelevant since I never denied that. Lmao.





It's proof that teleportation attacks are not instant.



Turning around before you get hit is a reaction.









Sorry stupid bitch. If you aren't smart enough to right click and search that's your problem.







Addressed. BM Naruto is not that much faster than KCM Naruto, and KCM Naruto was blitzed with no reaction.




Except we aren't comparing 3 tails to 4 tails, so your post is completely irrelevant.




So now you are trying to say that there is a large difference between KCM Naruto and KCM Minato? Smh. dumbass.



Zero proof for any of this garbage.



Then this scenario is irrelevant since Sasuke's sword can't pierce the Avatar.



Then I'll accept your concession.






Proof or gtfo.






No stupid bitch. I said what does "Kamui and Raikiri being added together" have to do with both MS? Since when did both MS allow you to combine techniques like that? Oh wait, never. So please stop making shit up. Especially when Kakashi already attributed the ability to combine Kamui with his techs to RIKUDO'S POWER.



Learn how to read.

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-He uses Kamui Shuriken. Wondering if it's possible.
-Then he says as I thought.

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Meaning Kamui Shuriken is because of Hagoromo's chakra. Once again. Learn how to read.




Addressed.




Because it was large enough to let him use their abilities. Doesn't change the fact that it's only a tiny piece of their full power. The rest is irrelevant as it still does not prove your point.





Which is something he couldn't do before getting his chakra. End of story.






Addressed above.






Addressed above.




Addressed above.






Flash BD? Based on what again?





A Rikudo Sasuke feat? Then no ****s are given. The rest are horseshit estimations with no basis, especially since Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is over 10x stronger than EMS Sasuke's PS, so why the hell would it only be 75% slower? Lmao.





Except you don't. You have no proof of anything you are stating. Since you keep repeating statements with no evidence, I'll just take your concession on this.



Except he can't use Ameno in succession. Warping higher in the air means nothing since he won't be able to do anything relevant to Minato from the air.



Catching Minato and Kurama in Genjutsu is irrelevant when they'd break it in literally a second. Not to mention Rikudo Buffed Sasuke showed the ability to catch all 9 Bijuu in Genjutsu with a single glance. Why can't you Sasuke fapkids stop giving a superior Sasuke's feats to a much weaker Sasuke.




Smh. You sound stupid as all hell.

1. That BD was much smaller.
2. That BD was much slower.

Yet somehow they are the same? Lmfao.



Lol. Once again. You sound stupid.

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Tell me more about how these are the same size. Quit twisting Manga facts pal, it makes you look stupider than I already know you are.



It'll end when you learn how to ****ing read.





Addressed so many times.



Better hit up the dictionary then and expand your vocabulary. Smh. BASIS=FOUNDATION. In a nutshell....it means that your argument is ass and you have zero or little proof for anything you are saying.


Except I have proof that 1 Flash BD doesn't even consume anywhere near the amount of chakra equal to Kurama's. Now, unlike your dumbass, I'm going to provide evidence. Why the hell are you even talking about a barrage hen I never mentioned a barrage.






No you fucking cluck. Firing them AT ONCE IS A BARRAGE. Firing them at separate times isn't. Smh. You and your best buddy YD need to learn how to read.







No counter.





LMAO. Why are you such a fucking idiot? Now read you ingrate. I said that the boosted Susanoo is on par with PS, as in SASUKE'S PS. Where the hell do you see me say that Madara's PS=Sasuke's Boosted Susanoo. This is what I'm talking about. Your pathetic ass obsession with me causes you to twist my words into what you wish I had said.




Addressed.




He can see things as small as cells when his ****ing arm is right in front of him. How does that have anything to do with him seeing small shit from far away?

Lmao clones? If he uses clones a single BD wipes them all off the face of the planet.



That Susanoo is as strong as his Perfect Susanoo. Your Lord isn't anywhere near as strong as you think, it's really that simple.



Irrelevant.


Based on what again? Oh wait, nothing. No evidence=No point=Shit argument.




And only females bitch like you do.

Looks like Madara's=/=As strong as Madara's. Where did I even say that his boosted Susanoo is his PS? I said it's the same strength as his PS, minus all types of Senjutsu from both Susanoo.




EMS Madara would bend Sasuke over and rape the ever living shit out of him with his PS blade. Their Susanoo are nowhere near each other's levels. I've already proven this before, but you ignored evidence and went crying to RustledJimmies about it instead of replying. Lmfao.

Rikudo PS=Rikudo BM in speed, strength, and durability.
Subtract Rikudo.

PS=BM in speed, strength and durability.

Sasuke's boosted Senjutsu Susanoo is equal to Naruto's Sage Kurama avatar in speed, strength, and durability.

Subtract Senjutsu.

Boosted Susanoo=BM in speed, strength and durability. Just like his boosted Susanoo.

From this point forward, if you repeat defeated points I'm going to simply erase them. Lmao, Trash debater is trash. That's why you attempt to flex so hard, to compensate.

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[KidGamer65]

Gotta give props to KG though, I wouldn't even take the time to read half that stupid shit.

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This dude needs to learn man. Gotta do what you gotta do. Took me a good 10 seconds to scroll through this dude's post using my mouse. Smh. Too damn long.

 

[Kagustuchi]

This dude needs to learn man. Gotta do what you gotta do. Took me a good 10 seconds to scroll through this dude's post using my mouse. Smh. Too damn long.

Still didn't you already poop on him recently? The scrubs I wreck in MvC and Street Fighter are less eager to hit that rematch button than he is, and that's saying something.

 

[KidGamer65]

Still didn't you already poop on him recently? The scrubs I wreck in MvC and Street Fighter are less eager to hit that rematch button than he is, and that's saying something.

Yup. Lol. But the dude has an obsession. It's actually pretty annoying.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Yup. Lol. But the dude has an obsession. It's actually pretty annoying.

What are the Main points of his arguments?

 

[KidGamer65]

What are the Main points of his arguments?

-Ameno+Chidori blitz.
-Ameno+Sword blitz like he did to Madara.

He says Ameno will warp Minato out of his Avatar and then blitz him. He also thinks that Ameno and Hiraishin are instant in the warping and the attack, even though Juubito has reacted to a marking blitz attempt.

-PS w/ Chidori and Raiton bisect Kurama.

He claims that Sasuke's PS sword w/ Chidori on it>Juubito's drop slam that wrecked Naruto's Avatar. lol) Zero proof provided of course.

-Sasuke evades Minato's Flash BD w/ PS's flight. Or he uses Shinra Tensei to push it back in his face.

Used Rinnegan Sasuke w/ Rikudo power feats to try and prove the first one. Smh.

That's basically how he thinks Sasuke low-mid diffs Minato.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

EMS Madara would bend Sasuke over and rape the ever living shit out of him with his PS blade. Their Susanoo are nowhere near each other's levels. I've already proven this before, but you ignored evidence and went crying to RustledJimmies about it instead of replying. Lmfao.

Rikudo PS=Rikudo BM in speed, strength, and durability.
Subtract Rikudo.

PS=BM in speed, strength and durability.

Sasuke's boosted Senjutsu Susanoo is equal to Naruto's Sage Kurama avatar in speed, strength, and durability.

Subtract Senjutsu.

Boosted Susanoo=BM in speed, strength and durability. Just like his boosted Susanoo.

From this point forward, if you repeat defeated points I'm going to simply erase them. Lmao, Trash debater is trash. That's why you attempt to flex so hard, to compensate.

Except it doesn't really work that way, does it? This isn't math where you can just cancel stuff off both sides and it would work out.

Sasuke's footspeed after rikudou upgrade was comparable to Naruto's though some people will say Naruto's is faster. Fact is, even if Naruto is faster, he cannot blitz sasuke(no ameno) in RSM. I'm sure you would agree. Yet before the upgrade, Naruto could most likely blitz Sasuke.

Also your thing about boosted Susanoo = PS also wouldn't be correct.

boosted Susanoo got negged by obito's goudama attack. Yet PS didn't.

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A lot of people will say oh, but that's PS + BM, so it doesn't count. But that doesn't make any sense does it? Sasuke and Naruto did not combine their chakras. What Sasuke did was to wrap Naruto's Kurama avatar in PS. An armor. In terms of durability. That's all PS. An attack would have to get through PS before it can get to Kurama avatar underneath, it's not all one entity.

The force of their attack(force of the thrust) however would be PS + BM as both Naruto and Sasuke contributed in that(Combined force of Sasuke's PS and Naruto's avatar sword underneath). If PS were = boosted Susanoo in durability like you said, then during the attack, the outer layer would have been peeled off(because goudama already negged boosted susanoo) and then maybe Naruto's avatar underneath would have been able to go through.

So how can boosted Susanoo be equal to PS when PS tanked something that destoyed boosted susanoo neg diff. See it doesn't work out like that.

 

[Kagustuchi]

-Ameno+Chidori blitz.
-Ameno+Sword blitz like he did to Madara.

Sasuke's done these in canon and they're both countered the same way.

- by scaling Minato reacts to the first
- if the second even happens (has to be in a certain range) then Kurama's chakra heals him while the blade is marked. Making it useless and another weapon for Minato.

He says Ameno will warp Minato out of his Avatar and then blitz him. He also thinks that Ameno and Hiraishin are instant in the warping and the attack, even though Juubito has reacted to a marking blitz attempt.

Ameno being reacted to on pretty much every ocassion it was used on other than Madara should have thrown that out the window. You have startup time (kneading chakra for the jutsu/reacting if that's the scenario), instantaneous teleportation from the starting point to the target point, then striking speed after the warp. It's not all instant.

-PS w/ Chidori and Raiton bisect Kurama.

By scaling the sword alone can't even damage one. Chidori isn't making up that diffrence, especially when 6 of those tails can stalemate a Juubi laser Bijudama.

If Sasuke could even use that to begin with

He claims that Sasuke's PS sword w/ Chidori on it>Juubito's drop slam that wrecked Naruto's Avatar. lol) Zero proof provided of course.

That would be my problem, the problem is there is no proof it would be that strong nor that he could he it. On top of that we have to scale Sasuke's PS as it is, so he's grasping at straws behind straws.

-Sasuke evades Minato's Flash BD w/ PS's flight. Or he uses Shinra Tensei to push it back in his face.

Yea right, gonna need proof that either of those are viable. Non Rikudo PS's have never been shown to have wings

Throwing my two cent in

 

[KidGamer65]

Smh. You cannot be serious.

Except it doesn't really work that way, does it? This isn't math where you can just cancel stuff off both sides and it would work out

That is exactly what it is. They got an equal boost in power thus you take that equal boost away, you are left with what I've already stated.

Sasuke's footspeed after rikudou upgrade was comparable to Naruto's though some people will say Naruto's is faster.

People say that Naruto is faster because Sasuke being faster is obviously not true.

Fact is, even if Naruto is faster, he cannot blitz sasuke(no ameno) in RSM. I'm sure you would agree. Yet before the upgrade, Naruto could most likely blitz Sasuke.

Wrong. Naruto can't blitz Sasuke period. Not before, not after. He'd react with Susanoo in both occasions even if he didn't have Ameno. Whether or not he can physically react is iffy, but even if he can, it'd either be a very poor reaction or he'd only be able to guard.

Also your thing about boosted Susanoo = PS also wouldn't be correct.

boosted Susanoo got negged by obito's goudama attack. Yet PS didn't.

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A lot of people will say oh, but that's PS + BM, so it doesn't count. But that doesn't make any sense does it?

Lmfao. That makes perfect sense. Not to mention the two attacks you are comparing are two completely different things, then there's the fact that Susanoo destroying the sword shows it's offensive power. That has nothing to do with it's defensive power. Why do I even have to explain this stuff? It should be obvious from reading the Manga.

Sasuke and Naruto did not combine their chakras. What Sasuke did was to wrap Naruto's Kurama avatar in PS. An armor. In terms of durability. That's all PS. An attack would have to get through PS before it can get to Kurama avatar underneath, it's not all one entity.

Except you're wrong.

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If the chakra wasn't melded, then this effect wouldn't be seen. You wouldn't see the chakra as the color of Susanoo all the way through, and even if you are right..... (which is entirely possible)

You have no point for the reasons mentioned above.

The force of their attack(force of the thrust) however would be PS + BM as both Naruto and Sasuke contributed in that(Combined force of Sasuke's PS and Naruto's avatar sword underneath). If PS were = boosted Susanoo in durability like you said, then during the attack, the outer layer would have been peeled off(because goudama already negged boosted susanoo) and then maybe Naruto's avatar underneath would have been able to go through.

Wrong. PS's durability has nothing to do with the power of it's attack. It got through because it was strong enough, not durable enough. Then there's the fact that the Gudo Dama didn't destroy Naruto's Avatar and Sasuke's boosted Susanoo. Obito's drop slam is what produced the force necessary to destroy them. The Gudo Dama only acted as hands for Obito. Nothing more, nothing less.

So how can boosted Susanoo be equal to PS when PS tanked something that destoyed boosted susanoo neg diff. See it doesn't work out like that.

Are you reading the Manga? Because I see Senjutsu PS Avatar destroying the Sword of Nunoboko with it's offensive power, and I see boosted Susanoo being obliterated because it's defensive power isn't enough. Where do you see PS Avatar tanking that? I'll wait.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke's done these in canon and they're both countered the same way.

- by scaling Minato reacts to the first
- if the second even happens (has to be in a certain range) then Kurama's chakra heals him while the blade is marked. Making it useless and another weapon for Minato.



Ameno being reacted to on pretty much every ocassion it was used on other than Madara should have thrown that out the window. You have startup time (kneading chakra for the jutsu/reacting if that's the scenario), instantaneous teleportation from the starting point to the target point, then striking speed after the warp. It's not all instant.



By scaling the sword alone can't even damage one. Chidori isn't making up that diffrence, especially when 6 of those tails can stalemate a Juubi laser Bijudama.

If Sasuke could even use that to begin with



That would be my problem, the problem is there is no proof it would be that strong nor that he could he it. On top of that we have to scale Sasuke's PS as it is, so he's grasping at straws behind straws.



Yea right, gonna need proof that either of those are viable. Non Rikudo PS's have never been shown to have wings

Throwing my two cent in

I actually didn't think of the bold. Good point. A lot of the stuff I've already mentioned, multiple times. It's just this dude denying Manga fact, what he does best.