[Discussion] Gaara (with shikaku)+Desert=Invincible? i think so!

[shadedcrow]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

wasn't it shown when he was a kid the Shikaku protected him with its sand shield.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

i agree with the last part madara and danzou, but add naruto, killer bee, and pain to the only ninjas that will forsure have the best chance of winning. every other ninja is iffy and have a slight chance.

i disagree on the itachi part tho. one, gaara would probaly be in the air to the point were he can not see the ms to begin with. and ametertsu is useless to the shikkaku since he would/could shed a layer of sand from his body/ go underneth the desert itself! and guy would have to go 8 gates id say, because gaara will still be to much, he could make the desert itself a cushion to help him when he does hit the ground.... OMG that would be beyond epic. come to think about it he could make a constant sand storm while fighting so it would affect ur vision and how you fight. DAMN.. i think he is the only character besides kisame in the ocean (SO6P dosnt count) that we can say will not get defeated..

yeah i thought about bee and pain after i submited so i edited to be longer lol, without plot driving him naruto would need to be in his current most powerful version and have control on the TBB to beat gaara in the desert, sand tsunami+giant sand funeral>toad summonings, naruto could tell where he is even in the sand storm but he'd need to be fast enough to get thru all the sand sheilds and avoid the attacks and connect with rasengan, and after sage mode ran out do 1000 clones with rasengans all around him but even then gaara would have enough sand to block them all and fly up out of danger, only bad part would be if gaara crushed naruto would he be able to take down 9tails or would he back out of that fight.

 

[NewKageism]

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It is so many top ninja that would take Gaara on that proable have a chance of winning.

But first I will post the weakness in your post.

 

[NewKageism]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

i was thinking about the future fight between gaara and onoki vs. the other kages. and was also taking into consideration that ppl think gaara is weak. i have come to the conclusion that gaara in the desert is almost unbeatable. there is probaly only a few select nins that can defeat him full power in the DESERT (shikaku inside him would make him even more OP). out side the desert he is defeatable but still hard ashell to beat.

1. gaara sand protects him at will and is fast.

2. he can pump chakra in his sand to make it faster and more powerful

3. he can fight you from a distance. and be on the offence while playing defence.

4. he can fly fast or hurver over you

5. he can set sensor sand to the point were homatter where you are he will know you exact location. nomatter how fast you are, fly or not, big or small he will know were you are.

6. with the sand under you, he can grab you anytime he pleases if you dont keep moving.

7. sand can protect him from anything, and even if you do get past his sand he has a constant sand armour over his body that potects him from anymove aswell.

8. he can hit you with a tsunami's worth of sand, bullets, shower, spear, has the shield aswell etc etc

9. can drag you beneath the earth (200 meters deep) and crush you with the earth itself.

i could go on and on. gaara in the desert (with shikaku) i would say could beat even the mightiest ninja i think. only ninjas i see beating him in the desert is tobi, minato (probaly), raikage, healthy kimmimaru, and pain. and i wanna see who i missed on the list of ninjas that could possibly defeat him one on one in the desert. no village, no civillians, no worrys. just one on one in the desert..

Ok let use for the example his village. It was all incased in sand.

I know you said no villagers, people etc... Cool beans

But you ever realised why Gaara would not pump to much charka into the sand because the tail beast inside of him would take over him. Just like Naruto or have people forgotten. This is why even with the tail beast in him he was drained pulling the sand from over top of the village.

I mean really if he had full control of the tail beast would that be so diffult?


With that said he has limits to what he can pull from the beast without the beast taking over him. So he will be basically the gaara vs Deidra without a village, people etc... he would have to worry about.

So not fully powerd by the tail beast all around in a dessert.
Now I will pick a choice thats would spark a debate.

Itachi

 

[Draegod]

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Ok let use for the example his village. It was all incased in sand.

I know you said no villagers, people etc... Cool beans

But you ever realised why Gaara would not pump to much charka into the sand because the tail beast inside of him would take over him. Just like Naruto or have people forgotten. This is why even with the tail beast in him he was drained pulling the sand from over top of the village.

I mean really if he had full control of the tail beast would that be so diffult?


With that said he has limits to what he can pull from the beast without the beast taking over him. So he will be basically the gaara vs Deidra without a village, people etc... he would have to worry about.

So not fully powerd by the tail beast all around in a dessert.
Now I will pick a choice thats would spark a debate.

Itachi

have you not read what has already been written???? ive and others have already stated why or why not itachi will lose or not (dont feel like repeating myself..)..
the fight will be in the desert not a village! pure sand and probaly some catusus.lol a constant sensor sand storm. constant quick sand. with in the sand storm is sand shower (sand bulltes). and he is in the air surrounded by his sand bble watching everything, and he hasnt even made a move yet!

gaara in the desert is to much for almost all ninjas! i gave a short list about the ninjas i say might have a chance multiple times already. and are you serius? gaara has complete control over all sand, has immense chakra (shikkaku), and dont let him transform into full crazy shikaku in the desert, that is death for any ninja! period!

 

[NewKageism]

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have you not read what has already been written???? ive and others have already stated why or why not itachi will lose or not (dont feel like repeating myself..)..
the fight will be in the desert not a village! pure sand and probaly some catusus.lol a constant sensor sand storm. constant quick sand. with in the sand storm is sand shower (sand bulltes). and he is in the air surrounded by his sand bble watching everything, and he hasnt even made a move yet!

gaara in the desert is to much for almost all ninjas! i gave a short list about the ninjas i say might have a chance multiple times already. and are you serius? gaara has complete control over all sand, has immense chakra (shikkaku), and dont let him transform into full crazy shikaku in the desert, that is death for any ninja! period!

I am just saying he wouldn't be able to use the tail beast as you think he would. He would be at that same level he was on with fighting Diedra.

Reread what I said. I said I know it would not be at a village but I was using that as an example because he had all that sand @ the village and still lost.

If he transform into fu;ll shikaku so what. Gaara reasonin and understanding goes along with it.

So with this being said

Itachi would just into susanoo

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and now your sand all around me because Gaar like you said is way up in the sky. So this is Tailbeast sand.

Now this is where Itachi takes susanoo sword the sword of totsuka

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Take the tail beast...

Now @ 4:40 you get to see a live video clip of what would happen to Gaara


Now it is regular Gaara vs Itachi with Susanooo

no need to explain this further game over....

 

[Sentinel]

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have you not read what has already been written???? ive and others have already stated why or why not itachi will lose or not (dont feel like repeating myself..)..
the fight will be in the desert not a village! pure sand and probaly some catusus.lol a constant sensor sand storm. constant quick sand. with in the sand storm is sand shower (sand bulltes). and he is in the air surrounded by his sand bble watching everything, and he hasnt even made a move yet!

gaara in the desert is to much for almost all ninjas! i gave a short list about the ninjas i say might have a chance multiple times already. and are you serius? gaara has complete control over all sand, has immense chakra (shikkaku), and dont let him transform into full crazy shikaku in the desert, that is death for any ninja! period!

your blowing gaara out of proportion. true in the open dessert he has a serious advantage, he doesn't have to waist chakra anymore to create sand (remember his comment during his fight against kimimaro) BUT controling the sand also requires chakra, and unlike naruto gaara's seal proably doesn't alow the beasts chakra to mix with that of the host. I'm stating this because of the nature of the shikaku: it eats away at the hosts personality while they sleep and it's constantly trying to get out, that also requires chakra to keep back.
gaara on his own (without the shikaku) seems more composed to me, and thus more powerfull. like any host he most have huge chakra reserves of his own, without having to depend on the shikaku.
thus if gaara and deidara would fight again in open dessert now without the shikaku I'm sure it would be a different fight all together and deidara doesn't stand a chance
also about the genjutsu not working on a host, that is not completly correct. it doesn't work on a host that is in control of his beast. on any other host it works, remember naruto vs itachi clone while he was chasing akatsuki to save gaara. naruto easely got cought in itachi's genjutsu and was unable to break free, sakura and chio had to run theyr chakra trough him to get him out of it, the fox did nothing.

so itachi vs gaara depends on how good gaara is at detecting and dispelling genjutsu because we know itachi, unlike sasuke, was a genjutsu master. if gaara can overcome his genjutsu itachi has nothing left to fight with, because gaara can handle anything else itachi can throw at him, only possible danger lies in the totsuga sword, but that requires susano

in conclusion:
*gaara without shikaku is more powerfull than with shikaku
*if gaara doesn't waist chakra with big moves all the time but focuses his moves not many people can beat him
*his only possible weakness is genjutsu but I'm sure he knows his own weaknesses and worked on them. it just depends what level genjutsu he is up against.

 

[griems]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

How exactly do people think Naruto would beat Gaara IN the desert?

Oh and FYI, Naruto beat a weakend Pain - AFTER getting intel and only AFTER he needed to go 8tails Kyuubi mode to even break free of the moon Pain created... but yeah keep saying Naruto beat him

Anyway, I don't see Naruto beating Gaara just yet. Why? simply put Naruto is still not too bright in terms of fighting skills. He's got just two moves that he usually uses 1. Clones 2. Rasengan (or a variation of that) - He's not smart enough to deal with Gaara's sand nor can he properly avoid getting hit.

We've yet to see his new powers in action but still, but he couldn't handle the speed just yet.

 

[Olorin]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

didnt he almost get pwned by 1 chidori by the still weak sasuke one week after hee learned it, not saying he is weak or that he didnt get stronger but that he isnt invincible so i thiink there are quite some ppl who could beat him

and other sand than his special sand is far slower, he uses chakra faster, ...

gaara is one of my favs but like som1 said u blowing him out of proportions, but it is true not many would beat him

 

[Draegod]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

your blowing gaara out of proportion. true in the open dessert he has a serious advantage, he doesn't have to waist chakra anymore to create sand (remember his comment during his fight against kimimaro) BUT controling the sand also requires chakra, and unlike naruto gaara's seal proably doesn't alow the beasts chakra to mix with that of the host. I'm stating this because of the nature of the shikaku: it eats away at the hosts personality while they sleep and it's constantly trying to get out, that also requires chakra to keep back.
gaara on his own (without the shikaku) seems more composed to me, and thus more powerfull. like any host he most have huge chakra reserves of his own, without having to depend on the shikaku.
thus if gaara and deidara would fight again in open dessert now without the shikaku I'm sure it would be a different fight all together and deidara doesn't stand a chance
also about the genjutsu not working on a host, that is not completly correct. it doesn't work on a host that is in control of his beast. on any other host it works, remember naruto vs itachi clone while he was chasing akatsuki to save gaara. naruto easely got cought in itachi's genjutsu and was unable to break free, sakura and chio had to run theyr chakra trough him to get him out of it, the fox did nothing.

so itachi vs gaara depends on how good gaara is at detecting and dispelling genjutsu because we know itachi, unlike sasuke, was a genjutsu master. if gaara can overcome his genjutsu itachi has nothing left to fight with, because gaara can handle anything else itachi can throw at him, only possible danger lies in the totsuga sword, but that requires susano

in conclusion:
*gaara without shikaku is more powerfull than with shikaku
*if gaara doesn't waist chakra with big moves all the time but focuses his moves not many people can beat him
*his only possible weakness is genjutsu but I'm sure he knows his own weaknesses and worked on them. it just depends what level genjutsu he is up against.

you dont seem to get what i am saying. gaara and naruto are to different host and what not. in shippuden when gaara became kazekage and fought diedara he had way more chrakra his control over the chakra was supperb, and so on. i say with shikkaku because he would have more chakra reserves and back up chakra at his disposal. and if something happens he can sleep and let the shikkaku unleashed and i would imagine the shikkaku in the desert equals game over since he can become the desert itself.

gaara will create a sensor sand storm, and that will make any mangekyo tech besides susanoo useless (tsukiome and amertatsu). then when fighting him he will constantly grab you with the sand on the ground so staying still is futile

fact! 1. while hes moving he can attak and defend

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and also rain down on you with sand
2.if you stay still even for a second u are as good as dead

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3. if he can creat a sand tsunami in the forest with ease, i imagine in the desert it would be easier and he could also make a constant sand storm

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4. quik sand that sucks you down fast and

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and even with susannoo u want be able to move

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do u see how much sand he is using???? and has full control over it all
6. u see how high up he is?

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and has the perfect defence against all atks in his sphere.
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the sand in the desert is easy to control, the sand in his gorgde is the spl fast sand infused with chakra and fast as hell!
8. protected the village with ease and a bunch of sand

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. and keep in mind he was able to still go.

now imagin all of that happining with a constant sand storm so ur opponent cannot see anything. and gaara in his sand sphere perfect defence. and this isnt everything gaara in the desert can do. use your imagination and think about it. u are underestimating gaara, i say with shikkaku because of the extra chakra and he has the ability to surpress it/or atleast have it undercontrol so it cannot come out, and just incase something does happen he could use the insomnia jutsu to let the shikkaku have fun in the desert. he is a monster in the desert! wheather you like it or not. u underestimate him...U_U

 

[Draegod]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

didnt he almost get pwned by 1 chidori by the still weak sasuke one week after hee learned it, not saying he is weak or that he didnt get stronger but that he isnt invincible so i thiink there are quite some ppl who could beat him

and other sand than his special sand is far slower, he uses chakra faster, ...

gaara is one of my favs but like som1 said u blowing him out of proportions, but it is true not many would beat him

are you bringing up the chunnin exam gaara???lmao dude seriously???? not the kazekage, but gennin gaara????? it looks like you just dont wanna agree with anything i say on purpose so ur looking for any bit of info (no matter how useless it it) to try and disagree with me. i know you dont like me and all but get real please!

 

[Anub]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

See now I believe MS Sasuke would definitely beat Gaara, but I see some people arguing that EMS might still be weaker than Gaara? Why? How? EMS Sasuke, Fox Naruto and Tobi are the ultimate shinobi right now. How did Gaara get put into that category? Gaara is at Kakashi's level.

 

[Draegod]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

See now I believe MS Sasuke would definitely beat Gaara, but I see some people arguing that EMS might still be weaker than Gaara? Why? How? EMS Sasuke, Fox Naruto and Tobi are the ultimate shinobi right now. How did Gaara get put into that category? Gaara is at Kakashi's level.

ems idk know nothing about so thats why i didnt bring up. but as for ms sasuke i think he stands no chance against gaara in the desert even if he does spam a bunch of ms techs.lol and we are talking about in the desert, thats why we are saying he will be hard to beat. outside the desert im sure a bunch of ninjas could defeat him, but in his territory i think he has this one like kisame in the ocean transformed.lol

 

[Olorin]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

are you bringing up the chunnin exam gaara???lmao dude seriously???? not the kazekage, but gennin gaara????? it looks like you just dont wanna agree with anything i say on purpose so ur looking for any bit of info (no matter how useless it it) to try and disagree with me. i know you dont like me and all but get real please!

gaara is about top 20 material

 

[Realtwisted]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

i was thinking about the future fight between gaara and onoki vs. the other kages. and was also taking into consideration that ppl think gaara is weak. i have come to the conclusion that gaara in the desert is almost unbeatable. there is probaly only a few select nins that can defeat him full power in the DESERT (shikaku inside him would make him even more OP). out side the desert he is defeatable but still hard ashell to beat.

1. gaara sand protects him at will and is fast.

2. he can pump chakra in his sand to make it faster and more powerful

3. he can fight you from a distance. and be on the offence while playing defence.

4. he can fly fast or hurver over you

5. he can set sensor sand to the point were homatter where you are he will know you exact location. nomatter how fast you are, fly or not, big or small he will know were you are.

6. with the sand under you, he can grab you anytime he pleases if you dont keep moving.

7. sand can protect him from anything, and even if you do get past his sand he has a constant sand armour over his body that potects him from anymove aswell.

8. he can hit you with a tsunami's worth of sand, bullets, shower, spear, has the shield aswell etc etc

9. can drag you beneath the earth (200 meters deep) and crush you with the earth itself.

i could go on and on. gaara in the desert (with shikaku) i would say could beat even the mightiest ninja i think. only ninjas i see beating him in the desert is tobi, minato (probaly), raikage, healthy kimmimaru, and pain. and i wanna see who i missed on the list of ninjas that could possibly defeat him one on one in the desert. no village, no civillians, no worrys. just one on one in the desert..

what are you saying, did you saw Deidara and Gaara fight? They were in a desert, HELLO. Kage vs Kage figth is going to very interesting. Saying that A dad has a strong lighning element. Lighining vs Sand=No Sand, lol...also Onnoki element are base on sand, .

 

[Draegod]

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gaara is about top 20 material

dude are u not paying attention???? know body is saying hes the best overall! we're saying that in the desert he is damn near invincinble! its like putting a shark in the ocean and you have nothing but ur arms and legs to win the fight against the shark. u get it????? we are saying in the desert! on land yea he would lose to alot of ninjas, but in the desert he would defeate even more of them!... dont mean to sound rude but some of you have to read the very first post that started this discussion. i am asking who have a good chance to defeat him in the desert that i did not list already...

 

[Draegod]

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what are you saying, did you saw Deidara and Gaara fight? They were in a desert, HELLO. Kage vs Kage figth is going to very interesting. Saying that A dad has a strong lighning element. Lighining vs Sand=No Sand, lol...also Onnoki element are base on sand, .

1st off, read the rules i posted befor you hop on the thread and maybe you want look stupid!
2nd, where do you get your info from??? lightning over sand????? onokis dust element is sand base?????? show me the links then ill agree, oh wait you cannot because its bull!

 

[Olorin]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

1st off, read the rules i posted befor you hop on the thread and maybe you want look stupid!
2nd, where do you get your info from??? lightning over sand????? onokis dust element is sand base?????? show me the links then ill agree, oh wait you cannot because its bull!

im just saying that there are a lot of shinobi that are stronger either in the dessert or no:
1- Naruto
2- Minato
3- Itachi
4- Sasuke EMS
5- Madara
6- Hiruzen
7- Hashirama
8- Tobirama
9- Jiraiya
10- Raikage
11- Killer Bee
12- Pain
13- Tsunade maybe
14- Onoki
15- Muu
16- Orochimaru
17- Kabuto
18- Kakashi (depends)
19- Danzo (though i dont like him he has crazy jutsu)
20- Hanzo (shown a bit weak but umo he would have a good go

so here is a list of 20 ppl so i guess not top 20 material

but even so out of 80k now he is top 15 at least if not top 10 and that is a superb

 

[Draegod]

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im just saying that there are a lot of shinobi that are stronger either in the dessert or no:
1- Naruto
2- Minato
3- Itachi
4- Sasuke EMS
5- Madara
6- Hiruzen
7- Hashirama
8- Tobirama
9- Jiraiya
10- Raikage
11- Killer Bee
12- Pain
13- Tsunade maybe
14- Onoki
15- Muu
16- Orochimaru
17- Kabuto
18- Kakashi (depends)
19- Danzo (though i dont like him he has crazy jutsu)
20- Hanzo (shown a bit weak but umo he would have a good go

so here is a list of 20 ppl so i guess not top 20 material

but even so out of 80k now he is top 15 at least if not top 10 and that is a superb

ok now we are starting to see eye to eye, but you didnt read the previus post's. i said naruto, killer bee, raikage, pain, minato, kabuto, tobi, danzou, and the 1st hokage have the best chace but could still lose. as for the rest its iffy, 3rd hokage at old age hellllll no, kakashi maybe, oru no, hanzou no, jman no, sasuke and itachi no (ems dont count since we do not know anything about it, so its pre-ems), muu no (dont know enuf), onoki no (dont know enuf), tsunade hellllll no!!! over all how about we do this. you will list how and why you think the ninjas i said will not win (not the list i said could win ok!) then i will conter every arguement with proof as i already did everyone else on this thread. so show proofs and links aswell please

 

[Olorin]

Re: Gaara (with shikaku)+Deseart=Invincible? i think so!

i said naruto, killer bee, raikage, pain, minato, kabuto, tobi, danzou, and the 1st hokage have the best chace but could still lose

they would pwn gaara so hard, he might have a chance against danzo